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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 03:41 AM Jan 2014

Surprisingly Weak Hiring In December Puzzles Economists, 'Flies In The Face' Of Other Data

WASHINGTON — It came as a shock: U.S. employers added just 74,000 jobs in December, far fewer than anyone expected. This from an economy that had been adding nearly three times as many for four straight months — a key reason the Federal Reserve decided last month to slow its economic stimulus.

So what happened in December? Economists struggled for explanations: Unusually cold weather. A statistical quirk. A temporary halt in steady job growth.

Blurring the picture, a wave of Americans stopped looking for work, meaning they were no longer counted as unemployed. Their exodus cut the unemployment rate from 7 percent to 6.7 percent — its lowest point in more than five years.

Friday's weak report from the Labor Department was particularly surprising because it followed a flurry of data that had pointed to a robust economy: U.S. companies are selling record levels of goods overseas. Americans are spending more on big purchases like cars and appliances. Layoffs have dwindled. Consumer confidence is up and debt levels are down. Builders broke ground in November on the most new homes in five years.

"The disappointing jobs report flies in the face of most recent economic data, which are pointing to a pretty strong fourth quarter," said Sal Guatieri, an economist at BMO Capital Markets.

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Surprisingly Weak Hiring In December Puzzles Economists, 'Flies In The Face' Of Other Data (Original Post) Purveyor Jan 2014 OP
"the Federal Reserve decided last month to slow its economic stimulus" El_Johns Jan 2014 #1
No kidding. Duh to them. It's pretty clear to me. nt laundry_queen Jan 2014 #3
that isn't the case as they made the decision after december dsc Jan 2014 #12
expectations El_Johns Jan 2014 #13
the decision wasn't made until january dsc Jan 2014 #15
The article says otherwise. El_Johns Jan 2014 #16
you're right dsc Jan 2014 #17
The decision wasn't officially announced until then. It was undoubtably made earlier, discussed El_Johns Jan 2014 #24
Hiring isn't done to meet trickle down expectations. nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #18
Oh, but it is. El_Johns Jan 2014 #23
They BS'ed about the health of the economy so long that they started believing their own lies? DJ13 Jan 2014 #2
All smoke and mirrors and hocus pocus anyway TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #5
Excellent rant. Demit Jan 2014 #10
Well said. Maybe Obama can give the wealthy another tax cut... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #19
The figures will be revised upward. OKNancy Jan 2014 #4
Economics is NOT A SCIENCE... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #21
jeeez, 74,000 jobs in a onethatcares Jan 2014 #6
You forgot the sarcasm tag.. pipoman Jan 2014 #7
my mistake, onethatcares Jan 2014 #9
The nation only needs so many pizza delivery drivers. . pipoman Jan 2014 #8
And we have our thread winner. Brigid Jan 2014 #14
Statistical outliers happen quaker bill Jan 2014 #11
Not in Q4 they don't. nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #20
Bill, those projects don't balance the constant flow of people out of the job market TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #22
i saw a guy from moody's on m$nbc who said the report showed even delivery services were down spanone Jan 2014 #25
The economy is nothing like it is being advertised or fabricated. democratisphere Jan 2014 #26
The "economy" is just fine - it just doesn't need new workers anymore. reformist2 Jan 2014 #27
Economist, Meteorologist, and Politician are the only three jobs in the world Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #28
I can haz green shootz? nt MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #29

dsc

(52,157 posts)
12. that isn't the case as they made the decision after december
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 10:15 AM
Jan 2014

and won't start the slowing for another month or two.

dsc

(52,157 posts)
17. you're right
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 12:53 PM
Jan 2014

it was dec 17th. over half the month was over and it was by far the most important half, who hires during chirstmas week.

 

El_Johns

(1,805 posts)
24. The decision wasn't officially announced until then. It was undoubtably made earlier, discussed
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 12:45 AM
Jan 2014

earlier, & large corporations knew earlier.

TheKentuckian

(25,023 posts)
5. All smoke and mirrors and hocus pocus anyway
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 06:38 AM
Jan 2014

We've had precious few months where jobs created keep pace with the population growth but yet we are supposed to believe unemployment is improving and when asked how we are consistently told wave after wave of folks just drop out and when the "how" is asked testy, incoherent rambling ensues which seems quite feeble in light of ever increasing disparity, flooded charity, tattered and shrinking safety nets, massive wealth hit in property losses, and costs for rent, food, and utilities.

We are supposed to buy that every month all these folks no longer need their incomes in this country. That shit is delusional, we are a country lying to ourselves for a variety of reasons. Politics, being greedy, profits, ideology, blind optimism, whistling past the graveyard, misplaced loyalty, lack of empathy but nothing that reasonably jibes with reality In the present day.

 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
19. Well said. Maybe Obama can give the wealthy another tax cut...
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 01:54 PM
Jan 2014

Pretty sure that will do it.

In any case, the great news is that cutting these endless unemployment extensions should evict tons of 'freeloaders' off the unemployment rolls. I anticipate the official unemployment numbers going down faster than Debby from Dallas. Homeless numbers will explode, but no one wastes their time counting those people anyway. It's win-win for everyone!

Or everyone who matters anyway.

 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
21. Economics is NOT A SCIENCE...
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 02:02 PM
Jan 2014

It's hardly even educated guesswork. Science proposes theories, tests them, and corrects the theories -- it is falsifiable. Economics is apparently incapable of testing theories, and it certainly is never adjusted based on observation. It's religion.

onethatcares

(16,166 posts)
6. jeeez, 74,000 jobs in a
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 06:54 AM
Jan 2014

nation of 350,000,000 people.

that's worse than obscene. Maybe things will pick up after the TPP is fast tracked and passed.

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
11. Statistical outliers happen
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 07:40 AM
Jan 2014

I do not need federal numbers. I can just drive around and see all the new projects under construction.

TheKentuckian

(25,023 posts)
22. Bill, those projects don't balance the constant flow of people out of the job market
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 02:21 PM
Jan 2014

consistently used to justify the numbers.

What you are seeing is a statistically minor segment of the few anemic jobs we are creating, with a consensus accept ancestors that most are low wage service jobs. This is not disputed by the sunniest optimist, unless you are going to stake out that forward position now.

spanone

(135,827 posts)
25. i saw a guy from moody's on m$nbc who said the report showed even delivery services were down
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 12:48 AM
Jan 2014

ala fed-ex & ups...he said it made no sensse.



curious

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
28. Economist, Meteorologist, and Politician are the only three jobs in the world
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 01:04 AM
Jan 2014

where you can be wrong almost every time and still have people listen to you and still collect a check.

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