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Here is a aerial recreation of the "Traffic Study" (before/after) if you have not seen it....... (Original Post) Logical Jan 2014 OP
Photo illustration, WTF? GeorgeGist Jan 2014 #1
Not sure what you are mad at. My post or that they had photos? n-t Logical Jan 2014 #4
They didn't have "photos" These are WaPo graphics ProSense Jan 2014 #10
Still explains what happened. Is that bad? n-t Logical Jan 2014 #20
I don't think the photos debunk the "study" story. Jim Lane Jan 2014 #22
I see it now. You have to look on the pics on the right colored in orangish. Look at the process okaawhatever Jan 2014 #7
It's a photoshopped version of the "normal flow" photo... JHB Jan 2014 #16
That is exactly what I have been trying to point out in this thread. What it really highlights arthritisR_US Jan 2014 #18
I edited my post. nt Logical Jan 2014 #21
Key finding: Lane reductions cause traffic delays BeyondGeography Jan 2014 #2
LOL + 1000! Logical Jan 2014 #6
during this man-made fiasco warrior1 Jan 2014 #3
LOL, that is a really stupid thing to say. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #5
It was one of the dumbest things I've heard anyone say... dorkzilla Jan 2014 #8
Punishment for a difference of opinion at the ballot box. Disenfranchising after the fact. n/t freshwest Jan 2014 #11
the photo really conveys the stunning pettiness of it zazen Jan 2014 #9
+1 freshwest Jan 2014 #12
Christie Really Did Move the Cones TheOther95Percent Jan 2014 #13
They have used the same photo for the "normal" and the "reduced lanes" so of course arthritisR_US Jan 2014 #15
It's the same photo. nt arthritisR_US Jan 2014 #14
It's an edited version of the same photo used to illustrate the constriction... JHB Jan 2014 #17
OK, thanks. I did not notice it was edited. Still helpful though. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #19

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
10. They didn't have "photos" These are WaPo graphics
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 12:16 PM
Jan 2014

being used to debunk Christie's claim. There was no "study."

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
22. I don't think the photos debunk the "study" story.
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 08:32 PM
Jan 2014

As the illustration makes clear, changing the arrangement would mean that:
(1) traffic coming through Fort Lee would take longer to get across the bridge; and
(2) traffic coming from other access routes would have more lanes and therefore would presumably flow more freely.

It would be legitimate to study such a thing. If anecdotal evidence was that vehicles coming through Fort Lee were just zipping onto the bridge while other traffic was badly backed up, it would be reasonable to investigate whether the reconfiguration would improve traffic flow overall.

What really debunks the "study" story is the overwhelming evidence that the story was pure cover-up, and the absence of any credible evidence to the contrary.

BTW, contrary to Christie's implication, the traffic on the three lanes in question is not just Fort Lee traffic. People from many other communities in the area find it much more convenient to get onto those lanes than to get onto the main approaches.

okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
7. I see it now. You have to look on the pics on the right colored in orangish. Look at the process
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 11:43 AM
Jan 2014

of merging onto the blue portion. In the upper photo all three orange lanes have dedicated lanes where they flow freely onto the bridge. In the bottom pic it shows those same three lanes having to merge onto one lane once they reach the bridge. The difference is noted once the onramp meets the traffic going over the bridge. That's the chokepoint.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
16. It's a photoshopped version of the "normal flow" photo...
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 01:27 PM
Jan 2014

...to illustrate the3 constriction. The editing moved some of the cars around to make it look as if the cars in the other two lanes were coming from the main highway, and not from the Ft. Lee access. That, plus the color coding, makes the situation clear for people who are not already familiar with the layout.

That they specifically label it an illustration is a good thing. They're not trying to pass it off as an actual photo of the jam.

arthritisR_US

(7,287 posts)
18. That is exactly what I have been trying to point out in this thread. What it really highlights
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 01:41 PM
Jan 2014

is that the "traffic study" was bogus, i.e., never done.

warrior1

(12,325 posts)
3. during this man-made fiasco
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 11:40 AM
Jan 2014

christie said this:

He also expressed skepticism about the importance of the lanes to the town, "I didn’t know Fort Lee got three dedicated lanes until all this stuff happened, and I think we should review that entire policy because I don’t know why Fort Lee needs three dedicated lanes to tell you the truth." [19]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Lee_lane_closure_scandal

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
8. It was one of the dumbest things I've heard anyone say...
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 12:07 PM
Jan 2014

...and with such contempt, too? About a town that you represent?

zazen

(2,978 posts)
9. the photo really conveys the stunning pettiness of it
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 12:13 PM
Jan 2014

I mean, it's precisely because it looks so insignificant visually (even though obviously it had huge import for people's health and well-being) that you have to ask, WTF was a Governor's staff doing micromanaging three lanes of traffic? It boggles the mind.

TheOther95Percent

(1,035 posts)
13. Christie Really Did Move the Cones
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 12:59 PM
Jan 2014

Maybe not physically, but you are correct. His office was directly involved in micromanaging three lanes of traffic.

arthritisR_US

(7,287 posts)
15. They have used the same photo for the "normal" and the "reduced lanes" so of course
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 01:17 PM
Jan 2014

it looks so insignificant.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
17. It's an edited version of the same photo used to illustrate the constriction...
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 01:37 PM
Jan 2014

...at the Ft. Lee access. It's possible no suitable photo of the actual jam was available.

The main point of the illustration is to show that by simply moving the cones Christie's people put in a bottleneck that only allowed a third of the normal flow, leaving the rest jamming up Ft. Lee's streets.

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