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jmowreader

(50,552 posts)
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 07:39 PM Jan 2014

Here's the MSDS for the "freedom" that's killing Charleston, WV right now

http://www.cpchem.com/msds/100000014163_SDS_US_EN.PDF

The "signal word" is Danger (there are three, Danger, Warning and Caution. Danger is the most severe.)

Hazard statements:
H225: Highly flammable liquid and vapor
H303: May be harmful if swallowed
H304: May be fatal if swallowed and enters airways
H315: Causes skin irritation
H320: Causes eye irritation
H336: May cause drowsiness or dizziness
H361: Suspected of damaging fertility or the unborn child (the exact words in the MSDS, don't blame me)
H411: Toxic to aquatic life with long lasting effects

And they dumped five thousand gallons of it into a stream.
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Here's the MSDS for the "freedom" that's killing Charleston, WV right now (Original Post) jmowreader Jan 2014 OP
This malaise Jan 2014 #1
It's not just Charleston, it's nine counties Champion Jack Jan 2014 #2
Faux News will have their experts to refute this. It's only 5K Gallons. Water should catch fire! nt TheBlackAdder Jan 2014 #3
They'll probably use the "dilution" angle jmowreader Jan 2014 #4
You know someone will probably say it. nt TheBlackAdder Jan 2014 #6
Next time someone claims it's not harmful ... zbdent Jan 2014 #5
No One Will Drink The Contaminated Tap Water From A Fracking Site. TheBlackAdder Jan 2014 #7
wasnt it an accident? Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #8
yes, it was an "accident" onethatcares Jan 2014 #9
"Ogalalla" jmowreader Jan 2014 #17
Who will stop the wildlife from drinking it? Expect plenty of dead animals. JaneyVee Jan 2014 #10
That's such a horrible thought! Auntie Bush Jan 2014 #11
Don't believe that 5,000 gallons figure theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #12
I've also heard 7500 gallons...right now, no one really knows how much got out jmowreader Jan 2014 #15
Those are 50k gallon chemical tanks and youre gonna tell me only 5k leaked? Right... Drew Richards Jan 2014 #13
We know it's somewhere between 5000 and 50,000 gallons jmowreader Jan 2014 #16
WHEN WILL THIS ALL END...... a kennedy Jan 2014 #14
I've heard they don't really know how to test for it, Champion Jack Jan 2014 #18
H411: Toxic to aquatic life with long lasting effects WhiteTara Jan 2014 #19
Oh, it gets better jmowreader Jan 2014 #20
The Kanawha actually flows northwest... theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #21
That explains why it gets wider the further it goes north jmowreader Jan 2014 #24
Yep, pretty much. theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #25
But we love free enterprise. No regulations WhiteTara Jan 2014 #22
This is terrible. WhiteTara Jan 2014 #23
Now at 7500 gallons Kermitt Gribble Jan 2014 #26

malaise

(268,885 posts)
1. This
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 07:41 PM
Jan 2014

And they dumped five thousand gallons of it into a stream
That must be a crime - maybe they thought freedom meant freedom to destroy anything in sight.

jmowreader

(50,552 posts)
4. They'll probably use the "dilution" angle
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 08:21 PM
Jan 2014

"Oh, don't worry: the river it was dumped into has MILLIONS of gallons of water in it and this was only 5000 gallons. What is anyone worried about?"

Well...maybe the part about it killing ALL the fish in the river for decades to come, or the (and here's your New Word Of The Day) teratogenicity of this product...most people don't want children with three nostrils, two penises and no testicles...or the fact that the Elk drains into a larger river...

Another economic problem: there are a LOT of companies in that area that can't operate because of the polluted water. The restaurants in the area are closed, as are the hairdressers, laundromats, probably the fresh produce sellers...exactly how long is the bank going to accept these guys being closed over this spill before they come in and demand all their money back right fucking now? And if they can't operate their employees aren't drawing paychecks, and banks tend to call mortgages and auto loans when no payments are made for a couple months. West Virginia's always been poor as hell; it's about to get worse than anyone can imagine.

zbdent

(35,392 posts)
5. Next time someone claims it's not harmful ...
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 08:29 PM
Jan 2014

ask them to drink from a mixture of one cup per gallon of water ...

TheBlackAdder

(28,182 posts)
7. No One Will Drink The Contaminated Tap Water From A Fracking Site.
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 08:41 PM
Jan 2014

But, it's OK for the residents to drink the yellow sludge.

onethatcares

(16,165 posts)
9. yes, it was an "accident"
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 09:01 PM
Jan 2014

kinda like the Exxon/Valdez and the BP gulf oil spill, or the Mayflower Arkansas pipe blowout. In most cases if it was you or me that caused an "accident", we would be sued heavily, our lives ruined and we'd never get out of debt to the person we hurt due to our "accident".

With "accidents" like this, the company shells out a bit of money, says they have done all that is possible to rectify the situation, and leaves the folks injured hanging. Kind of like Exxon did in Alaska, they litigated out until 99.9% of the people personally injured died.
No plaintiffs, no damages. Kind of like what BP is doing now to the Gulf Coast, saying sorry, we're done, the rest of these claims are false so bye=bye, sayanora. Kind of like what Exxon is doing in Mayflower Arkansas, said they have cleaned up as much as possible and the people can move back to an oil soaked lawn and subdivision. No more money for motels or other living arrangements, no buy out of damaged homes or mortgages that are on lots that can and will sicken you.

Now, imagine that happening with the Keystone Pipeline over the aquifer it traverses. (sorry I can't remember the spelling of that one)



Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
11. That's such a horrible thought!
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 09:15 PM
Jan 2014

Bet no one will cound them and report on their deaths. they'll just be swept under the rug/dirt!

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
12. Don't believe that 5,000 gallons figure
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 09:22 PM
Jan 2014

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/chemical-spill-into-wva-river-spurs-closures-run-on-bottled-water/2014/01/10/a6ec518a-7a0e-11e3-b1c5-739e63e9c9a7_story.html

A state Department of Environmental Protection spokesman estimated early Friday that less than 5,000 gallons of the chemical had escaped, but W. Kent Carper, president of the Kanawha County Commission , said he had “not heard any number that I have confidence in.”

“They’re clueless, or they don’t know,” a clearly irritated Carper said of the chemical company in an interview..." MORE

I've heard figures of several times that amount.

WhiteTara

(29,699 posts)
19. H411: Toxic to aquatic life with long lasting effects
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 10:39 PM
Jan 2014

Well there goes life in that river and all its tributaries.

jmowreader

(50,552 posts)
20. Oh, it gets better
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 11:52 PM
Jan 2014

The Elk drains into the Kanawha River just a few miles south of the chemical plant. (You can do a Google Maps search for "Freedom Industries Charleston WV" and see it.) Then follow the Kanawha south and you'll see tons of little towns...all of whom are looking at coal soap in their drinking water for the foreseeable future. Figure everyone within 40 miles downstream of Charleston to be drinking bottled water.

jmowreader

(50,552 posts)
24. That explains why it gets wider the further it goes north
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 02:45 AM
Jan 2014

What you're saying is, the ecosystem is even more fucked than I thought it was, and I figured it was fucked but good.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
25. Yep, pretty much.
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 08:04 AM
Jan 2014

The spill now has an unlimited path to eco-destruction. From the Kanawha to the Ohio to the Mississippi. The effects will lessen, of course, as the spill enters larger waterways but still, it will be poisoning flora and fauna as it goes its merry way. And unlike oil spills, no one really knows how to contain or clean this stuff up.

WhiteTara

(29,699 posts)
22. But we love free enterprise. No regulations
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 12:30 AM
Jan 2014

and they get all the profits...we might have to fight like banshees for the taxes to be paid so we can clean up his mess.

WhiteTara

(29,699 posts)
23. This is terrible.
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 01:24 AM
Jan 2014

This is beyond suing them and I hear OSHA never visited them. I wonder what kind of tanks they used; most likely the cheapest ones they could find.

This is a disaster beyond imagination. How are these people going to survive? It's one thing not to take a bath, another not to be able to launder clothes, but to have nothing to drink is horrifying. Disease is going to spread like wildfire because no one will be able to wash their hands.

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