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marmar

(77,077 posts)
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 10:10 PM Jan 2014

The $17 Trillion Delusion: The Absurdity of Cutting Social Security to Reduce the Federal Debt


from Dollars & Sense:


The $17 Trillion Delusion
The Absurdity of Cutting Social Security to Reduce the Federal Debt

BY MARTY WOLFSON | January/February 2014


Shortly after the ceiling on federal debt was raised on October 17, 2013, the conservative Heritage Foundation notified its readers that the outstanding debt of the United States had “rocketed past $17 trillion,” and that “entitlement spending—the key driver of spending and debt—remains unaddressed.” The three assumptions in that statement—that the true measure of our debt is $17 trillion, that the cause of the buildup of debt is entitlement spending, and that therefore the appropriate policy to “address” this problem is to cut Social Security benefits and other “entitlements”—are endorsed by many politicians and policy pundits in Washington. But they’re all wrong as economic analysis and disastrous as policy recommendations.

Seventeen trillion dollars certainly sounds like a big, scary number, especially when national debt clocks tell us that this translates into more than $53,000 for every person in the United States. But we shouldn’t be focusing on that number.

The $17 trillion figure is a measure of “gross debt,” which means that it includes debt owed by the U.S. Treasury to more than 230 other U.S. government agencies and trust funds. On the consolidated financial statements of the federal government, this intragovernmental debt is, in effect, canceled out. Basically, this is money the government owes itself. What is left is termed “debt held by the public.” It is this measure of debt that is relevant to a possible increase in interest rates due to competition for funding between the private and public sectors. It is also the category of government debt used by the Congressional Budget Office and other analysts. (Of course, the full economic significance of any debt measure needs to be considered in context, in relationship to the income available to service the debt.) The total debt held by the public is $12 trillion.

The Social Security Trust Fund owns $2.7 trillion of the $5 trillion of Treasury securities held in intragovernmental accounts. In fact, Social Security is the largest single owner of Treasury securities in the world, surpassing even China’s significant holdings of $1.3 trillion. .....................(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2014/0114wolfson.html



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The $17 Trillion Delusion: The Absurdity of Cutting Social Security to Reduce the Federal Debt (Original Post) marmar Jan 2014 OP
Kick for the truth DJ13 Jan 2014 #1
What does it take to get Conseratives to understand Social Security Trust fund is plush. Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #2
That's what fuels the republicon/teabagger engine.. Cha Jan 2014 #3
The author is claiming the intragovernmental debt doesn't count? Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #4
It doesn't matter. Turbineguy Jan 2014 #5
The only Social Security rate that should be cut rocktivity Jan 2014 #6
Kick. Good explanation! Squinch Jan 2014 #7
K&R! We cannot let them get away with this! Dustlawyer Jan 2014 #8

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
2. What does it take to get Conseratives to understand Social Security Trust fund is plush.
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 10:42 PM
Jan 2014

How big is the Defense Fund,yea, I know, don't be funny. How big is the subsidies funds for oil companies, etc. They would not tell the truth when they can lie and their little sheep believes everything FOX puts out.

 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
4. The author is claiming the intragovernmental debt doesn't count?
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 11:27 PM
Jan 2014

That 5 Trillion in intragovernment Debt he is casually dismissing, is money borrowed from things like the Social Security Trust Fund, the Medicare Trust Fund, and other similar trusts. In other words, it's absolutely REAL debt in every sense of the word.

Turbineguy

(37,322 posts)
5. It doesn't matter.
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 11:43 PM
Jan 2014

Their economic theory is based on fiction. If you let them take control and it fails, it's God's will.

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
6. The only Social Security rate that should be cut
Sat Jan 11, 2014, 11:52 PM
Jan 2014

is the 6.2% payroll tax -- which is easily accomplished by eliminating the salary cap.


rocktivity

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
8. K&R! We cannot let them get away with this!
Sun Jan 12, 2014, 01:19 AM
Jan 2014

In addition to the subsidies to the oil companies and other big interests, we absolutely need to cut the Defense budget. That is the biggest welfare program of all. There is no reason for us to have a military of this size. The Plutocrats need to be kicked out and control of the government should be returned to the people!

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