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kpete

(71,979 posts)
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:14 PM Jan 2014

Pope Francis encourages breastfeeding in Sistine Chapel: ‘If they are hungry, mothers, feed them"

Pope Francis encourages breastfeeding in Sistine Chapel: ‘If they are hungry, mothers, feed them, without thinking twice’

During a ceremony on Sunday in which he baptized 32 children, Pope Francis implored the mothers in attendance — one of whom wasn’t married in the Church — to breastfeed their children, should they become hungry.

“Today, the choir will sing, but the most beautiful choir of all is the choir of the infants who will make a noise. Some will cry because they are not comfortable or because they are hungry,” the Pope said, according to The Independent.

“If they are hungry, mothers, feed them, without thinking twice. Because they are the most important people here.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/13/pope-francis-encourages-breastfeeding-in-sistine-chapel-if-they-are-hungry-mothers-feed-them-without-thinking-twice/
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Pope Francis encourages breastfeeding in Sistine Chapel: ‘If they are hungry, mothers, feed them" (Original Post) kpete Jan 2014 OP
It's official ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2014 #1
But how does he feel about pit bulls and Olive Garden? The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2014 #2
wow Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #8
A man in "authority" speaking sense. IdaBriggs Jan 2014 #3
"Celibate white man"? Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #5
Interesting take, but not what I meant. IdaBriggs Jan 2014 #28
When he says gay families are a destructive attack on God's plan, do you call that 'sense' as well? Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #10
Absolutely not, to any of those questions. IdaBriggs Jan 2014 #29
He's a quote-a-matic machine! reformist2 Jan 2014 #4
Surely this belongs in General Discussion - NT el_bryanto Jan 2014 #6
Wow, in that case his homphobic bigotry and opposition to contraception is worth it! Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #7
Nobody's perfect. Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #9
Yes, bigotry, hate speech and opposing choice...'nobody's perfect'. Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #16
Wow! Control-Z Jan 2014 #11
Her position never had to do with her being a devout Catholic. Women in South America, pnwmom Jan 2014 #13
WTF? Dorian Gray Jan 2014 #30
Sister Mary Amalia (my 5th grade teacher) would smash Pope Francis with a ruler. Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #12
...while he still condemns abortion: Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #14
Oh please, I saw it on the news and all those mothers were feeding their infants with bottles. LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #15
... On this occasion Francis did not use the verb "breastfeed". But he had already expressed struggle4progress Jan 2014 #18
It was obvious to me when I watched it on tv that he said that in order to LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #22
More top-down popisms. Wake up women - rescue those kids! polichick Jan 2014 #17
And how will the Olive Garden respond? Barack_America Jan 2014 #19
Is Lechery a sin? dickthegrouch Jan 2014 #20
Where is the quote where he encourages breastfeeding? Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #21
"Exaggerated" is kind of an underestimation in this case. LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #23
My wife and my mom would breastfeed kids anywhere. hunter Jan 2014 #24
Just to offer some context, inside the Vatican, women are generally viewed as temptations hedgehog Jan 2014 #25
Well the head-covered thing is biblical. JNelson6563 Jan 2014 #26
Hah Dorian Gray Jan 2014 #31
At least one mom breast feed her child. TexasProgresive Jan 2014 #27
 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
3. A man in "authority" speaking sense.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:20 PM
Jan 2014

A celibate white man. Speaking sense.

How often does THAT happen?

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
5. "Celibate white man"?
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:22 PM
Jan 2014

So the people who speak the most sense are black women who are having lots of sex?

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
28. Interesting take, but not what I meant.
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 10:45 AM
Jan 2014

"Celibate" and "man" were both about him not having children, or having held a hungry/crying infant (which did interesting things to my body when I was nursing/pumping). His race was because "old white men" in positions of power usually say things that aren't of benefit to women and children, and this was THE OPPOSITE of that.

For a guy with zero experience with hungry babies, I am in complete shock that he is using "good sense" because I think supporting breast feeding mothers is a good thing. It showed ... dare I say it? Empathy and compassion for the experiences of OTHER PEOPLE.

Wow.

Apologies if my comment came across offensively.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
10. When he says gay families are a destructive attack on God's plan, do you call that 'sense' as well?
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:31 PM
Jan 2014

Are you opposed to reproductive choice and equality?

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
29. Absolutely not, to any of those questions.
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 10:51 AM
Jan 2014

But since I have never heard a high level church official (celibate, old, childless) adamantly and clearly express support for the needs of women and hungry babies with clear language and good intent, I am going to celebrate it, because it gives me HOPE.

It is a baby step. We still have a long way to go.

And we aren't giving up on any of the rest of the questions you raised, either!

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
9. Nobody's perfect.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:30 PM
Jan 2014

Anytime someone praises President Obama do you say something like "Wow, in that case his wholehearted embrace of free trade agreements and drone attacks is worth it!"

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
16. Yes, bigotry, hate speech and opposing choice...'nobody's perfect'.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:38 PM
Jan 2014

I assume those who promote anti gay and anti choice activists agree with those activists. Because as long as they assist those in power who are sexist homophobes, they might as well just come out as against equality and choice.
Your post dismisses bigotry and right wing sexism as unimportant compared to inviting breast feeding. 'It's worth it, he said breastfeeding, so who cares about choice or equality!!!!'
The Francis fans never favored equality, that's why they dig him he gives voice to their prejudices, a bigoted voice protected on DU because of his religion, although other religious leaders are not celebrated here, just those of that one religion. Others who oppose choice and equality are castigated for that. Francis, well, he's special, his bigoted venom is so charmingly old world! He's just adorable!
Hypocrites are hypocrites.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
11. Wow!
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:31 PM
Jan 2014

The only place I was not "allowed" to breastfeed my first daughter was at my in-law's house. Devout Catholic that she is, she called my breasts my "sins" and sent me upstairs to a bedroom to breastfeed in isolation. I bet her head explodes today.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
13. Her position never had to do with her being a devout Catholic. Women in South America,
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:35 PM
Jan 2014

which is highly Catholic, have no problem nursing in public.

She just had a very twisted personal theology. I have never met another Catholic that would have called a breast a sin.

Dorian Gray

(13,488 posts)
30. WTF?
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 11:30 AM
Jan 2014

She may have been a devout catholic, but she also sounds crazy.

Sorry you had to deal with a MIL like that. Mine is stuffy and probably disapproved of my breast feeding, but at least she knew when to shut the hell up.

LuvNewcastle

(16,843 posts)
15. Oh please, I saw it on the news and all those mothers were feeding their infants with bottles.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:36 PM
Jan 2014

The "encouragement" he gave to breastfeeding mothers didn't happen. That is all in someone's head.

struggle4progress

(118,268 posts)
18. ... On this occasion Francis did not use the verb "breastfeed". But he had already expressed
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:45 PM
Jan 2014

uncommonly down-to-earth approach to the practice in an interview with La Stampa last month. Recounting an encounter with a mother and her wailing newborn son at a general audience, he said he told her to feed him then and there. "She was modest," he recalled. "She didn't want to breastfeed in public as the pope was going past" ...
Pope Francis encourages mothers to breastfeed - even in the Sistine Chapel
Pontiff tells families at special papal baptism that they should not stand on ceremony if their children are in need of food
Lizzy Davies in Rome
The Guardian, Sunday 12 January 2014 17.48 EST

LuvNewcastle

(16,843 posts)
22. It was obvious to me when I watched it on tv that he said that in order to
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:57 PM
Jan 2014

make the babies quiet and also to break the ice at the ceremony. These parents were in the Sistine Chapel and the Pope was baptizing their child. I'm sure they were nervous, and he was putting everybody at ease. This wasn't any encouragement to breastfeed. I'm not saying he would've cared if they did, but it wasn't what he was trying to get across at the moment. Jeez, this fascination with everything this guy does really gets ridiculous sometimes. Next thing you know, he'll be performing a wedding and everybody will say he's okay with adultery because the bride wore an off-white dress. It's silly, and people that do this look like fools.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
19. And how will the Olive Garden respond?
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:46 PM
Jan 2014

The Catholic Church acknowledging women have breasts that serve a non-sexualized purpose? My goodness.

dickthegrouch

(3,172 posts)
20. Is Lechery a sin?
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:46 PM
Jan 2014

I remember having unclean thoughts was.

The only other nipples he ever sees were painted by Michaelangelo

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
21. Where is the quote where he encourages breastfeeding?
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:56 PM
Jan 2014

The entire point of the piece seems to be greatly exaggerated, to be kind about it.

LuvNewcastle

(16,843 posts)
23. "Exaggerated" is kind of an underestimation in this case.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:59 PM
Jan 2014

Every little thing he does has some greater significance to some people than what it really is. I honestly wonder who it is these people worship.

hunter

(38,309 posts)
24. My wife and my mom would breastfeed kids anywhere.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 02:18 PM
Jan 2014

Yes, even fussy toddlers in church.

Frankly I wish my nipples were not so worthless.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
25. Just to offer some context, inside the Vatican, women are generally viewed as temptations
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 02:23 PM
Jan 2014

that must be covered:

Women:
Women can wear trousers, capri pants and skirts and dresses are permitted however they cannot be shorter than knee length and shoulders must be covered.
In very hot weather a shawl or large scarf/Pashmina can be draped around the shoulders for visiting the sites.
Bare shoulders and short skirts are not permitted and again come prepared to cover up if wearing shorts.

http://www.papalaudience.org/dress-code

Even if you're not a nun, you should dress like one:

Dorian Gray

(13,488 posts)
31. Hah
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 11:34 AM
Jan 2014

Michele Obama wearing a mantilla? That surprises me.

I've been to the vatican as a visitor and have never had problems getting in. Sure, they want you to dress a little more modestly, but it's about respect and not that you are viewed as a temptation.

I've been to Buddhist temples in Thailand, and many of them require women to wear skirts. Holy sites in the Middle East? I have no problems dressing the way they ask me to.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
27. At least one mom breast feed her child.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 05:16 PM
Jan 2014
One of the mothers, Emer McCarthy, an Irish journalist at Vatican Radio, told Catholic News Service that while most of the other mothers had brought baby bottles for feedings, she did not hesitate to breast-feed her daughter, Polly Rose, discreetly during appropriate moments during the ceremony.
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1400120.htm
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