Backstory/Timeline on -- Catholic archbishop Józef Wesolowski -- possibly involved in child abuse

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On 21 August 2013, Wesołowski resigned as nuncio.

On 2 September 2013 television stations in the Dominican Republic reported that Wesołowski had possibly been involved in child abuse. By then it was believed that Wesołowski had left the country.

On 3 September 2013 Agripino Núñez Collado, president of the Pontificia Universidad Católica Madre y Maestra and spokesperson of the Dominican Catholic church, said that Wesołowski had been recalled to the Vatican because of a child abuse allegations.

On 4 September 2013, Dominican Republic authorities started an investigation into Wesołowski. The Vatican confirmed there was an investigation into Wesołowski by both the Vatican and the Dominican Republic authorities and that he had been recalled by the Vatican. A Vatican spokesperson denied that allegations of child abuse were the basis for the recall, but said the allegations were serious enough to suspend Wesołowski during the investigation. Local church leaders later denied that Wesołowski was being investigated for child abuse affairs and described his recall as an administrative procedure. A priest accused along with Wesołowski, Wojciech Gil, had returned home to Poland, and Dominican investigators provided their Polish counterparts with extensive documentation in September, though Poland and the Dominican Republic have no extradition treaty. Gil had been suspended from his duties in May 2013 while on vacation in his native Poland.

In January 2014 there were reports that the Vatican had refused to extradite Wesołowski to his native Poland, based on the Vatican's reply to an inquiry from District Prosecutor's Office in Warsaw that said: "Archbishop Wesolowski is a citizen of the Vatican, and Vatican law does not allow for his extradition." According to Vatican spokesperson Federico Lombardi, no extradition request had been made and the Vatican, Poland, and the Dominican Republic were cooperating with one another. As of January 2014, he said that Wesołowski is subject to a canonical investigation by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and possible outcomes could include his defrocking, ending his status as both a priest and a bishop. He also said that criminal charges to be tried in a Vatican court were a possibility.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3zef_Weso%C5%82owski

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1. kick

................................................................................................................................had to be there.

[warrant46]

19. He's in Rome drinking wine with Cardinal Law

They are celebrating their respective escapes to the "Promised Land"

[Bluenorthwest]

2. Why the special treatment? This man should face a court of law like any other accused person would

This concept that they get to rape kids and being 'defrocked' is sufficient punishment is a vile and disgusting thing.
This is what Francis stands for, this creepy old man who claims adoption by gay parents is child abuse even while he protects those who do great, intentional, selfish and repeated harm to numerous children.
Only those comfortable with child abuse would be comfortable with this in house method of coddling the guilty.

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3. Gee -- I guess it's that whole innocent until guilty thing.

[Bluenorthwest]

4. He should be subject to the criminal justice system, not some Vatican kangaroo court

Why do you feel he should get treatment no other person accused of international child sex crimes would get? Because of his costumes?

[el_bryanto]

5. It's unlikely the United States would turn over one of its citizens to be tried in a foreign court

either. Not that that's right; I'm just saying there are plenty of nations that won't extradite. There are countries that won't extradite to the US because we still use the Death Penalty.

Bryant

[Bluenorthwest]

9. That's not correct. This guy is Polish, retains his Polish citizenship, the alleged crimes took

place in Dominica, so the Vatican is not a suitable venue for any sort of fair trail. US citizens are tried in foreign courts daily, Bryant, and extradition treaties abound, meaning we do send people back to the place where they are accused. We also extradite citizens of other nations to the US, daily.
Poland asked for their citizen, Dominica has also requested the man, but instead he's gone to Rome.

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10. You got that answer last night.

[Bluenorthwest]

13. I was not here last night

So please, explain why this man should not get the same treatment others in his shoes would get.

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16. I see. Then who was?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4326448

Bluenorthwest
41. The man is a citizen of Poland and the alleged attacks took place in Dominica, what grouds are there

for having his 'trial' done by his employers at the Vatican? The rules for everyone else should apply to this man. There is no excuse for the interference by Francis and his fellow defenders of monsters.




http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4326466


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42. The Vatican doesn't extradite its citizens. Period.


VATICAN CITY — The Vatican has told Polish prosecutors that its former ambassador to the Dominican Republic, under investigation for alleged sex abuse, is covered by diplomatic immunity and that the Vatican doesn't extradite its citizens.

[Bluenorthwest]

18. That was afternoon my time zone, my wifi was out late afternoon. Deal with it.

And that's no explanation, the Vatican just refuses to do what it has said it would do? Why don't they?

In December they stated that child abuse cases were the responsibility of the country where the abuse happened. In January, they state the opposite:

"The Vatican has refused to provide information requested by the United Nations on the alleged sexual abuse of children by priests, nuns or monks. The Vatican said the cases were the responsibility of the judicial systems of countries where abuse took place.

The questions included whether priests, nuns and monks guilty of sexual crime were allowed to remain in contact with children, what legal action had been taken against them, whether the Church required clergy to report abuse to secular authorities and whether complainants were silenced.

In its response, the Holy See insisted that it was “separate and distinct” from the Roman Catholic Church, and that it was not its practice to disclose information about the religious discipline of clergy unless specifically requested to by the authorities in the country where they were serving."
http://newsfirst.lk/english/2013/12/vatican-rejects-united-nations-child-sex-abuse-inquiries/7445

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22. Aww isn't that a nice response. Now you go and grab someone elses post.

Can't you figure this stuff out yourself... why do you always ask everybody to tell you why. How come you have to ask more the once when you all ready got the answer yesterday?... short term memory loss?

All inquires from 1995 till now...that's a bit of homework ain't it.?

why don't you go ask Eric Holder to open his files and demand the same thing? I mean not that there isn't a cohesive investigation going on between three countries or anything.

[Bluenorthwest]

24. Why all the personal attacks? It's just rude and devoid of meaning.

When the facts come to light, you panic and get mean. It's neither surprising nor intimidating, personal attacks are the typical first tactic of those who are cornered and attempting to bullshit their way out of that corner.

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26. Mean... really, wow, I got nuthin.

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17. Really... Who was? That would have been late afternoon for you... I don't get it.

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[WinkyDink]

6. Big-wigs all over get away with child sexual abuse.

[theHandpuppet]

7. Color me confused

Vatican rejects United Nations Child sex abuse inquiries
Dec 04, 2013

The Vatican has refused to provide information requested by the United Nations on the alleged sexual abuse of children by priests, nuns or monks. The Vatican said the cases were the responsibility of the judicial systems of countries where abuse took place...

http://newsfirst.lk/english/2013/12/vatican-rejects-united-nations-child-sex-abuse-inquiries/7445

[Bluenorthwest]

12. But the countries where the abuse took place will punish this man, and he's special according to

the Vatican so what they said 6 weeks ago obviously does not apply to this man!

They say what they please, day to day, honesty is of no interest to them.

[theHandpuppet]

15. Yeah, I was just pointing out an obvious inconsistency

The Vatican will not cooperate in the UN investigations of child abuse because pursuing such cases are the prerogative of the local jurisdictions where the crimes occurred... unless they suddenly decide the complete opposite?

Some might wonder why the UN might be involved in such affairs, anyway. I steer the wondering to the following links:

http://www.alternet.org/world/will-pope-francis-end-vaticans-obstructive-role-un
http://www.seechange.org/media/A%20Cause%20for%20Concern.htm
http://www.population-security.org/crlp-94-07.htm

[Bluenorthwest]

20. Vatican ethics are situational, shifting to suit their needs of the day

They do not understand that they face a planet filled with child advocates who are no longer amused with the clerical criminals.

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8. False flag. I just posted a timeline.

"Why do you feel he should get treatment no other person accused of international child sex crimes would get?" I never said that ...you did.

[Bluenorthwest]

11. So you agree with me that he should be tried in the way others would be tried, and not given special

protections due to his being clerical?
I note you still refuse to clarify. It's easy to say what you think, just type it out. Nothing is stopping you. Except your own fear of saying what you mean.

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14. What? Your not busting the popes chops this morning

Vatican City has no extradition agreement with either country. He is a citizen of Vatican City


According to Vatican spokesperson Federico Lombardi, no extradition request had been made and the Vatican, Poland, and the Dominican Republic were cooperating with one another--- that seems pretty clear to me

[Bluenorthwest]

21. You did not answer my very direct question. This guy is Polish according to Poland and Dominica.

Your failure to respond to the questions asked you, even as I respond to each of your rude routines is definitive of your entire camp who wish to defend the indefensible. Evasive, furtive, vague and lacking in any supporting evidence. 'But the Vatican says' is not an argument at all. Just a repetition of the fact that they have repeatedly protected child abusing priests, year in and year out, all over the world. What's one more rapist in the Vatican for old time's sake? Cardinal Law needs company he can relate to there in his home, the Vatican.

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23. ...and a diplomat of Vatican City

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25. Again evading the question put to you.

You're on a roll.

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28. Asked and answered.

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27. Lots of words there...lots of supposition, and projection but an inability to see fact.