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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBrian Schweitzer's run as a leftwing Teabagger seeking ACA repeal will fail miserably.
His candidacy is based on the simple idea of repudiating the record of the Obama administration. In other words, he's going to run on telling Democrats--who overwhelmingly approve of the record of the Obama adminstration, that there is literally nothing good they did, that the only thing positive about their President is his value as a racial token.
Which is pretty much leftwing Teabaggerism--rejection of all things Obama coupled with racialism.
Finally, he spoke.
“My mother, God rest her soul, told me ‘Brian, if you can’t think of something nice to say about something change the subject,’” he said.
But he couldn’t help himself, slamming Obama’s record on civil liberties (the NSA revelations were “un-effing-believable”), his competency (“They just haven’t been very good at running things”), and above all, Obamacare (“It will collapse on its own weight”).
Eventually, he paused to acknowledge Obama’s historic role as the first black president. But by that standard, Obama’s usefulness ended the day he took the oath of office.
Schweitzer’s scorn for Obama has led him to hatch a surprising plan.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/dem-thinks-he-can-win-the-anti-obama
Maybe this stupid shit works in Montana, but he's not going to have any success with this bullshit in California, New York, Illinois, etc. Or with the 2.2 million people and counting whose health insurance he wants to take away now.
This idiot is repeating Teabagger talking points left and right. If people really think this is going to help him win a Democratic party, they are really out of touch with who votes in Democratic primaries.
A lot of people who were kind of indifferent on the 2016 primary are going to enjoy seeing him get his ass kicked.
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JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)I can name 5 other Democratic Party members off the top of my head that have the same type of background - but who will continue the good in this Administration - and perhaps change course on the bad.
But I'm a member of of the BOG - I find very little 'bad' about this Administration. . .
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)hopes for how things would turn out.
But he sounds a lot more like Rand Paul than he does a Democrat.
--Nothing good about Obama--nothing--except his value as a racial toke n
--Bashing the ACA and predicting it will "collapse of its own weight"--plagiarizing the RNC
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)Suppose Biden chooses not to run . . . I can't imagine a Hillary Clinton, Sherrod Brown, Martin O'Malley or Elizabeth Warren candidate saying anything like this. See there . . . that's five people right there. Much more qualified and will continue the good and perhaps change course on the bad.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)the overturning of DADT or Pres Obama's support for the LGBT community, he's useless as a Democrat.
FSogol
(45,466 posts)MD Gov Martin O'Malley a look.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Hillary needs a credible challenger from the left.
FSogol
(45,466 posts)In the back of my mind, I wonder if he isn't really just planning on running for Clinton's VP spot.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Not just the primary, but especially the general.
The fear would be another Dukakis.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Citizens United will be the rulebook in 2016. He needs to show he can at least raise the resources to compete with Hillary.
polichick
(37,152 posts)phleshdef
(11,936 posts)
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)The perpetually disgruntled love it.
Not surprisingly, those folks aren't mentioning the part where the author calls him a long-shot who would probably step aside if Hillary runs, or the part where Schweitzer defends Hillary Clinton, or the point at which the author suggests Schweitzer might simply be angling to be her VP.
The other thing I found odd is that a guy is planning to run as the "anti-Obama" three years before the President finishes his 2nd term.
If UE is down to 6% or less by then, and the ACA has added a few million more folks ... good luck running as the anti-Obama.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)they'll attract a lot of support around here.
Seriously, the article talks about a guy who:
a) says Obama's only contribution is the color of his skin
b) plagiarizes Mitch McConnell's talking points regarding the ACA
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)He does sound like the other half of a Rand Paul candidacy.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)...and should be replaced by single payer. Please quote where Mitch McConnell said anything like that.
The guy says a lot of stupid stuff, but he has no beliefs in common with 'teabaggers'.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)They also agree insofar that they both reject 100% of Obama's actions as President.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)...so he can replace it with SINGLE PAYER. Your comparison is ridiculous on it's face.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)He prefers single payer as an alternative.
Get my drift now? He says what the Republicans want is absolutely necessary. He then says once that happens, ideally, if possible, if we can get the votes, it would be really great if the liberals get what they want.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)He believes the opposite of what the Republicans believe. Your comparison is ridiculous and somewhat dishonest.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)But he favors getting rid of the ACA anyways.
In fact, he repeats the Teabully myth that it's failing, collapsing, and has no hope of working.
He doesn't want to improve it. He wants to scrap it.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)Yeah, he's not going to win friends among Democrats by doing this. If he wants to make Obamacare better, that's one thing--but if he's going to try and blow it up entirely...
Proud Public Servant
(2,097 posts)Schweitzer is on record over and over and over saying that his problem with Obamacare is that it doesn't go far enough. He's one of the few Dem politicians of national stature out there with the guts to call it what it is -- a giveaway to the insurance companies -- and to explicitly advocate single-payer in the form of Medicare for all.
Schweitzer is a long shot, no doubt. But if he runs as an economic populist Dem who is an authentic Washington outsider, he could present a lot of problems for Lady Inevitibility at the outset, especially in Iowa and New Hampshire.
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Welcome to DU.
Demit
(11,238 posts)OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Jeezus. 
Demit
(11,238 posts)Putting the poster down?
No, really, I'm curious. Which rhetorical device did you mean to employ? Hyperbole? Synechdoche? Irony? Oxymoron? It was very subtle.
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)On edit: Don't answer that. I don't care to talk to you.
Demit
(11,238 posts)First because you wanted to be snotty, then because you didn't want to be forthright about it, and now because you obviously don't know what a rhetorical device is but want to act like you do. Just felt like calling you on all of it.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)similar to the point my wife made a few weeks ago while on a cruise and we were hitting choppy water. People were complaining about how it was messing up their balance and ability to walk straight.
My wife smiled and said "Welcome to my world".
My wife suffers from Multiple Sclerosis and equilibrium and walking problems are things she deals with every day on solid ground. She wasn't attacking the people making the remarks about a choppy sea, she was adding insight and context of her own experience.
Proud Public Servant made a statement about the unfairness of the OP and OnyxCollie state, "That's par for the course. Welcome to DU."
In other words, OnyxCollie was simply stating this happens a lot on DU. The "welcome" part is made as a wry observation on this fact.
I hope that clears it up.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and thus will need to be "repealed and replaced."
http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/298757-paul-ryan-predicts-obamacare-will-collapse-
But, wait, who else says stuff like that?
Karl Rove:
http://therightscoop.com/karl-rove-against-defunding-obamacare-says-let-it-collapse-under-its-own-weight/
Mitch McConnell:
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/324625-mcconnell-downplays-defunding-says-obamacare-will-fall-apart-by-itself
Steve Forbes:
http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/news/2013/05/01/steve-forbes-obamacare.html?page=all
Who's the most liberal person who says Obamacare will "collapse on/under its own weight?"
Joe Manchin.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/politico-live/2013/12/manchin-says-obamacare-could-still-collapse-180101.html
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)...and should be replaced by single payer. That is just soooo right wing of him!!
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Repealing the ACA will not help us get single payer.
Repeal and replace means repeal.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)He believes the opposite of what the teabaggers believe.
You are comparing opposites and calling them the same thing.
Like I said, the guy says a lot of stupid things, but there is nothing about him that even vaguely teabagger. He is the opposite of a teabagger. He believes that Obama is too right wing.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)of succeeding.
Problem is, it is working, as everyone outside the Teabilly echo-chamber is beginning to see.
Would single payer work better? Yes. But that does not mean the ACA is doomed to fail.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)...will doom it. Is that what the GOP or the teabaggers believe? No, they believe it is a socialist handout.
You are comparing apples and rocks. The rocks are red, same as the apples, but they aren't apples. They are rocks.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)That is reality.
Repeal and replace means repeal.
Schweitzer also hates Medicaid, which is single payer, because it costs too much money.
So, he's likely lying about his support of single payer.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Schweitzer is on record over and over and over saying that his problem with Obamacare is that it doesn't go far enough. He's one of the few Dem politicians of national stature out there with the guts to call it what it is -- a giveaway to the insurance companies -- and to explicitly advocate single-payer in the form of Medicare for all."
...against Obamacare is beyond stupid. Still, the current article seems to be designed to fan anti-Obama flames. Schweitzer can run on single payer, but if his goal is to be anti-Obamacare, he's going to have to explain his support for provisions that are clearly part of the law. If his position is a repeal of the law, he's out of his mind. From the OP article.
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Schweitzer said he agreed to to tone down his attacks after their meeting. But he went on to engineer a series of confrontations with the Obama administration that highlighted his critique of the law.
His request for permission to sell drugs at Medicaid prices in Montana was rejected. He tried to get a waiver to turn Medicaid into a single payer system, modeled on Saskatchewan’s, for all Montanans. That idea was rejected, too. But he did build a small network of free clinics for state employees that pay doctors by the hour instead of by the procedure to lower expenses. So far, they’ve gone over pretty well.
Vermont will be on it's way to single payer thanks to funding from Obamacare.
Single Payer movement in the era of Obamacare.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024090281
The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) issued a final rule today to ensure that Medicaid’s home and community-based services programs provide full access to the benefits of community living and offer services in the most integrated settings. The rule, as part of the Affordable Care Act, supports the Department of Health and Human Services’ Community Living Initiative. The initiative was launched in 2009 to develop and implement innovative strategies to increase opportunities for Americans with disabilities and older adults to enjoy meaningful community living.
Under the final rule, Medicaid programs will support home and community-based settings that serve as an alternative to institutional care and that take into account the quality of individuals’ experiences. The final rule includes a transitional period for states to ensure that their programs meet the home and community-based services settings requirements. Technical assistance will also be available for states.
“People with disabilities and older adults have a right to live, work, and participate in the greater community. HHS, through its Community Living Initiative, has been expanding and improving the community services necessary to make this a reality,” said HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. “Today’s announcement will help ensure that all people participating in Medicaid home and community-based services programs have full access to the benefits of community living.”
In addition to defining home and community-based settings, the final rule implements the Section 1915(i) home and community-based services State Plan option. This includes new flexibility provided by the Affordable Care Act that gives states additional options for expanding home and community-based services and to target services to specific populations. It also amends the 1915(c) home and community-based services waiver program to add new person-centered planning requirements, allow states to combine multiple target populations in one waiver, and streamlines waiver administration.
For more information about the final rule, please visit: http://cms.gov/Newsroom/Search-Results/index.html?q=&filter=Press%20Releases+Fact%20Sheets&date-from=&date-to=
For more information regarding the Home and Community-Based Services available under Medicaid, please visit: http://www.medicaid.gov/HCBS
For more information regarding the Community Living Initiative, please visit: http://www.hhs.gov/od/community/index.html
http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2014pres/01/20140110a.html
Krugman: The Medicaid Cure
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024309532
Medicare could benefit from a drug program similar to Medicaid's
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The Medicaid Drug Rebate Program is a partnership between CMS, State Medicaid Agencies, and participating drug manufacturers that helps to offset the Federal and State costs of most outpatient prescription drugs dispensed to Medicaid patients. Approximately 600 drug manufacturers currently participate in this program. All fifty States and the District of Columbia cover prescription drugs under the Medicaid Drug Rebate Program, which is authorized by Section 1927 of the Social Security Act.
The program requires a drug manufacturer to enter into, and have in effect, a national rebate agreement with the Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) in exchange for State Medicaid coverage of most of the manufacturer’s drugs. When a manufacturers markets a new drug and electronically lists it with the FDA, they must also submit the drug to the Drug Data Reporting (DDR) system. This ensures that states are aware of the newly marketed drug. In addition, Section II(g) of the Rebate Agreement explains that labelers are responsible for notifying states of a new drug’s coverage. Labelers are required to report all covered outpatient drugs under their labeler code to the Medicaid Drug Rebate Program. They may not be selective in reporting their NDC's to the program. Manufacturers are then responsible for paying a rebate on those drugs each time that they are dispensed to Medicaid patients. These rebates are paid by drug manufacturers on a quarterly basis and are shared between the States and the Federal government to offset the overall cost of prescription drugs under the Medicaid Program.
http://www.medicaid.gov/Medicaid-CHIP-Program-Information/By-Topics/Benefits/Prescription-Drugs/Medicaid-Drug-Rebate-Program.html
The ACA increased the Medicaid rebate percentage.
http://www.medicaid.gov/AffordableCareAct/Timeline/Timeline.html
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Medicare Part D is a voluntary prescription drug benefit for Medicare beneficiaries, established in 2003 under the Medicare Modernization Act (MMA). Prior to this law, Medicare did not offer a prescription drug benefit. In 2012, almost 65 percent (over 30 million) of Medicare beneficiaries were enrolled in a Part D plan (MedPAC, 2013).
Medicare Part D went into effect in 2006, providing prescription drugs through private stand-alone prescription drug plans (PDPs) and Medicare Advantage (MA) plans. Part D drug prices are determined through a negotiation between the private drug plan that administers the benefit and the drug manufacturer. By law, the federal government cannot negotiate for Medicare drug prices...Prior to the implementation of Part D, Medicaid paid the drug costs for individuals who were dually eligible for Medicare and Medicaid. Dually eligible individuals are generally low-income, sicker and expensive to treat. The costliest 20 percent of dual eligible individuals account for 66 percent of Medicare spending (MedPAC, 2012). When Part D went into effect, dually eligible beneficiaries’ drug coverage switched from Medicaid to Medicare and the manufacturer discounts were discontinued.
<...>
Savings. One argument is that billions of dollars of savings would be produced if the federal government negotiated for Medicare drug prices. While there are no current Congressional Budget Office (CBO) cost estimates for federal drug negotiation, a report from the Center for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR) estimates that savings to the U.S. government would range from $230 billion to $541 billion over 10 years (Baker, 2013). CEPR noted that the U.S. pays twice as much as other wealthy countries for prescription drugs because their governments are able to negotiate for lower prices.
<...>
Best Price. A third argument is that it makes sense for Medicare to receive the best price available for prescription drugs, just like Medicaid and the VA. In Medicaid, the drug manufacturer provides the federal government discounts for drugs, which are shared with the states. The discount is either the minimum drug amount or an amount based on the best price paid by private drug purchasers, whichever is less. Current law requires drug companies to charge Medicaid 23 percent less than the average price they receive for the sale of a drug to retail pharmacies. Drug companies also must provide another discount if a drug’s price rises faster than the rate of inflation (Thomas and Pear, 2013)...Medicaid rebates, if applied to Part D, would save the federal government money. According to a 2011 study conducted by the Office of the Inspector General (OIG) for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Medicaid rebates were three times greater than the discounts negotiated by Part D for 100 brand name drugs. In 68 of these drugs, Medicaid rebates were twice as high as rebates granted by the drug companies for Medicare drugs (OIG HHS, 2011; Hulsey, 2013). Similarly, a 2008 study of drug pricing information by the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform found that Part D paid, on average, 30 percent more for drugs than Medicaid (Hulsey, 2013).
- more -
http://www.ncpssm.org/PublicPolicy/Medicare/Documents/ArticleID/1138/Issue-Brief-Medicare-Drug-Negotiation-and-Rebates
The President has proposed the same rate for Medicare (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022670043 ), which would save even more than the Senate proposal (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022725266), $164 billion to $141 billion, respectively.
Sen. Bernie Sanders on Wednesday brought together leaders of community health centers from across Vermont where three new centers opening in January are part of a dramatic expansion of affordable primary care. A Sanders provision in the Affordable Care Act authorized $11 billion to build, expand, and operate community health centers throughout the United States. “This is a huge step forward,” said Sanders, chairman of a Senate subcommittee that oversees primary health care.
Sanders was joined at the news conference by representatives of the Battenkill Valley Health Center in Arlington, Vt., the Five Town Health Alliance in Bristol, Vt., and the Gifford Medical Center in Randolph, Vt. The Bennington, Addison and Orange county centers will become the newest in the state thanks to $2.4 million in federal funding released last month.
The eight current Federally Qualified Health Centers already provide primary and dental care along with mental health counseling and low-cost prescription drugs to more than 130,000 patients.
The three new centers will bring the total number of Vermonters served to about 163,000, more than one in four people in the state and one of the highest participation rates in the country. In addition, about 25,000 Vermonters now receive dental care at community health centers, a number which will also rise.
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/recent-business/a-health-care-success-story
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)I saw him advocating "Medicare for All" not "insurance he wants to take away".
Is there video of him saying the things quoted above?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)exact same language as Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, and Karl Rove.
He's running against Obamacare, not in favor of expanding it.
To him, expanding Medicaid was not an accomplishment.
To him, banning pre-existing condition exclusions, lifetime caps, etc was not an accomplishment.
Etc etc etc.
His candidacy is one aimed at Obama-hating white people on the left.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)“My mother, God rest her soul, told me ‘Brian, if you can’t think of something nice to say about something change the subject,’” he said.
But he couldn’t help himself, slamming Obama’s record on civil liberties (the NSA revelations were “un-effing-believable”), his competency (“They just haven’t been very good at running things”), and above all, Obamacare (“It will collapse on its own weight”).Eventually, he paused to acknowledge Obama’s historic role as the first black president. But by that standard, Obama’s usefulness ended the day he took the oath of office.
Schweitzer’s scorn for Obama has led him to hatch a surprising plan.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/dem-thinks-he-can-win-the-anti-obama
He's not running on expanding Obamacare or improving it.
Trying googling "obamacare collapse its own weight" and see what progressive visionaries have been saying that, and ask yourself why the hell any Democratic primary voter would support someone plagiarizing that crowd:
https://www.google.com/#q=obamacare+its+own+weight&safe=active
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... being good things or not and you interpret that he thinks they are not?
Your OP appears very biased based on the article it cites, which also seems very biased. Interesting.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)there weren't any.
He then turns around and barfs up teabilly talking points on the ACA. Bashes Obamacare up one side and down the other.
So yeah, when you explicitly repudiate every single thing Obama has done, and go further and use rightwing talking points to trash Obamacare, you're on the record as rejecting the stuff that Obamacare does.
Oh, and talks about Obama being an incompetent guy whose only value is as a racial token.
You think he's trying to win over blacks and Latinos with that kind of crap?
baldguy
(36,649 posts)We saw them during the primaries in 2008. We see them every time Obama has to deal with the realities of a divided political environment where the Left does not have an overwhelming majority: Obama hasn't repealed every wrong committed by the GOP over the last 40 yrs, and hasn't made sufficient corrections to atone for America's sins - so they believe everything he has done in his two terms should be repudiated & forgotten.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)this time around, Hillary will curb stomp them and whoever they support.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)FAIL
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)was his value as a racial symbol, that's some serious race-hustling being committed by the white guy.
Renew Deal
(81,852 posts)And true universal healthcare for all or even socialized medicine is the path.
So if you believe that corporations are the problem in health care, then you believe the ACA is a government sponsored expansion of the problem.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)The ONLY path to single payer is via the ACA. One does not go forward by going backwards.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)DU: we're not about identity politics, we'll vote for any progressive... so long as it's not a white guy.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)But, Schweitzer is not making any pretense of being anything but the champion of bitter white people who reject all things Obama and see him as nothing more than an affirmative action, racial token empty suit.
That's what Schweitzer is explicitly doing. It's coded racism.
I love it when white people act as if they're not capable of practicing identity politics.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)is instantly deemed to be due to racism.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)That's race-baiting--reducing Obama to the color of his skin.
"The only reason they had to vote for Obama is because he's black."
That's the racist commentary on Obama, and that's the group SChweitzer is pandering to.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Somebody's sacred cow was perceived to be gored.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Wants to 'repeal and replace.'
Claims it will "collapse under its own weight" Schweitzer plagiarizes Ryan when talking about the ACA.
So, go ahead and support a guy who's with the wingnuts on the ACA.
think
(11,641 posts)How is that remotely similar to Ryan?
Is Obama anti single payer? Sanders?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)His policy is that Obamacare is doomed to failure and can't be redeemed.
Replace won't pass Congress, but Repeal will.
Imagine a Democratic President with a Republican Congress who has gone on the record saying we need to dump the ACA.
You really think that means single payer?
No, it means dumping the ACA and screwing millions.
He's as much for single payer as dkf was.
think
(11,641 posts)I am not 100% a Schweitzer fan but I will give him credit for speaking out strongly for single payer. ACA is better than nothing but single payer is what Americans should be able to get. Hopefully more states will adopt it since we aren't getting this option at the federal level....
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)He's saying it's objectively bad and is doomed to fail, using rightwing talking points to make that argument.
Make the case for single payer, fine. Say the ACA doesn't do enough, great.
Saying it needs to go because "it will collapse under its own weight?" No sir, not acceptable for a credible 2016 nominee.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)It is obvious.
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)has been a laughable failure here on the site, though it has been good for chuckles.
LuvNewcastle
(16,843 posts)
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Hint: Bernie does not hate Obama or reject all things that have happened under Obama, unlike some people. He's a little more realistic.
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)Geek Tragedy: "Occupy Wall Street are...a bunch of 20-somethings from privileged backgrounds hanging out in a park...banging drums."
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)brentspeak
(18,290 posts)Supporting the Wall Street tool for Treasury who Sanders was absolutely opposed to pretty much constitutes a 100% difference in "policy issues".
Bernie Sanders:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014364206#post3
blueclown (supporting Sanders' position):
He should be in prison. Or fined substantially civilly for all the money he costed the American people during his tenure at Citi.
Geek Tragedy (hilariously spinning on behalf of Jack Lew):
blueclown :
Your explanation doesn't fly.
JackRiddler (supporting Sanders' position)
He was COO of the unit. CEO, CFO and COO are the primary fiduciary positions. They bear responsibility for what happens. In law and in theory, if not in reality. It's not supposed to be an excuse that they weren't paying attention. That's just as bad as direct participation. They send the signal of what's acceptable within a unit.
The initial investment in John Paulson's planned failure fund was $18 million. Doesn't sound like much compared to the many billions of total assets under management by that unit, but it's big enough that it would have been a visible line in reports and subject to top-management oversight
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)makes your case.
I have no strong feelings about Jack Lew either way.
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)Other than you defended his nomination for Treasury while Bernie Sanders, "the politician in DC closest to my (Geek Tragedy's) views", was 100% opposed to him.
And as Jack Riddler pointed out in that thread, re. Lew's fiduciary reporting duties, you are completely factually full of $hit (but is that a surprise?)
FSogol
(45,466 posts)
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)was disproven, whereupon the sponsor of said theory lashed out at those who disproved the theory, calling them liars for speaking the truth about said theory
See this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4308561
FSogol
(45,466 posts)
Whisp
(24,096 posts)thickness as brickness
wow.
just wow.
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)Geek Tragedy challenged me to "name a policy area where I disagree with Bernie Sanders", and I responded.
You, on the other hand, materialized out of the mist to contribute absolutely nothing.
FSogol
(45,466 posts)You are right about the mist though. It was quite foggy here this morning.
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)Geek Tragedy crashes my own threads, I rarely pay attention to his, and yet somehow, I am the one who is "stalking" him -- and a forum member who I should have kept on ignore races in out of his hole in the ground to make an inverted accusation.
Kindly slink back to your hole.
FSogol
(45,466 posts)
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)FSogol
(45,466 posts)Aside from disagreeing with you, what are my examples of trolling, FFS?
FSogol
(45,466 posts)You really should get Skinner to fix your ignore button.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Jack Riddler was posting illogical nonsense and gobbledygook about fiduciaries being responsible for stuff other people did in the past. Those problems were reported before Lew took over. The fact that everyone knows about those problems undercuts your theory that he somehow squashed reporting of them.
You really should have learned your lesson about accusing people of lying, after you got busted calling me a liar for correcting the falsehoods you were spewing about US trade statistics regarding exports.
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)"Those problems were reported before Lew took over. The fact that everyone knows about those problems undercuts your theory that he somehow squashed reporting of them. ".
http://www.businessinsider.com/jack-lew-as-treasury-secretary-obama-who-is-2013-1
Citi paid Lew $1.1 million for his year at Alternative Investments, according to an ethics disclosure report filed in January 2009. He was also eligible for an undisclosed bonus. Lew did not immediately return a call for comment.
His unit, though, lost as much as billions of dollars in 2008 as its bets turned sour. In the first quarter of 2008 alone the unit lost $509 million; the company stopped publicly disclosing the unit's individual numbers soon thereafter, but the part of the company that absorbed Alternative Investments lost $20.1 billion in 2008, according to the bank's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
Citigroup, the nation's third-largest bank, received $45 billion in TARP bailout funds that year.
Hard for "everyone" to know about the activities Lew was obligated to report when he directed his unit to stop reporting them.
To sum: You're batting .1000 in your usual Bull$hit, today.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)It's a division of Citigroup. So, the decision to report CAI's finances would be made at the parent company level.
Moreover, the COO of a company is not the head (that's the CEO) nor is he in charge of accounting and financial reporting (that's the CFO).
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)So Lew, because he was "only" Citi's second or third in-command as the COO, was therefore far removed from "the parent company level", and also was not responsible for his own decision to stop the reporting, even though he was also the head of the crooked unit in question?
Do you enjoy doing this to yourself?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)1) Lew was not the head of CAI. The CEO is the head, not the COO.
2) Lew did not make the decision to stop the reporting. You just made that up.
Seriously, try arguing the actual facts instead of the ones you create in your little Calvinball world of makebelieve.
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/jack-lew-had-major-role-at-citigroup-when-it-nearly-imploded/2013/01/10/a913431e-5b6b-11e2-9fa9-5fbdc9530eb9_story.html
In January 2008, he (Lew) switched to Citigroup’s alternative investments unit. A press release announcing his new position as chief operating officer of the group said he would “oversee coordination between the operations, technology, human resources, legal, financial and regional departments.
So Lew merely ran the entire ship at this corrupt unit of Citigroup, but he had no role in stopping the reporting of its activities?
Geek Tragedy: "Ideologically, the politician in DC closest to my views is Bernie Sanders."
(I should make that my sig line).
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)is not anywhere close to "running the ship."
Your failure to comprehend basic English does not reflect poorly upon those who do comprehend.
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)red courtesy phone...PLEASE.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)I thought teabaggery was extreme right wing.
Are they trying to pawn the teabaggers off on the Democrats?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)If Obama's for it, they're against it.
Finally, he spoke.
“My mother, God rest her soul, told me ‘Brian, if you can’t think of something nice to say about something change the subject,’” he said.
But he couldn’t help himself, slamming Obama’s record on civil liberties (the NSA revelations were “un-effing-believable”), his competency (“They just haven’t been very good at running things”), and above all, Obamacare (“It will collapse on its own weight”).
Eventually, he paused to acknowledge Obama’s historic role as the first black president. But by that standard, Obama’s usefulness ended the day he took the oath of office.
That's Brian Schweitzer's targeted demographic. The crowd that literally rejects every single thing Obama has done, and views him as nothing but an empty suit, affirmative action, racial token. Down to stealing his talking points on the ACA from Paul Ryan.
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I'll tell you the same thing I tell lying fucking teabaggers: you don't get to make up reality just because you want to. Reality doesn't give a shit about your opinion. Next time you want to insult all progressives, do it somewhere else. The last time I checked, conservative democrats were a lot closer to bagger ideology than progressives, so check yourself, because I don't deal in centrist bullshit.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Anyone who finds a record that includes expanding Medicaid coverage to millions, repealing DADT, and a major push for green energy to be completely devoid of merit is either a Teabagger or a lying hack trying to pander to Teabaggers.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)...then they're left wing teabaggers. You're way, way to the right of me. In order to see teabaggers, I have to look in your direction, and then a little farther. I wouldn't listen to Ted Bundy give a symposium on preventing violent crime, and I'm sure not going to listen to a conservative democrat lecture me about teabaggers. You have no standing.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)to flail about in an argument you started in a fit of rage.
I am a liberal Democrat. I am way to the right of maybe Kim Jong Un.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I do believe your OP qualifies as a fit of rage, and it's not real truthful. So get your mirror out, sport. Normally, I'd be pretty upset if someone called me a liar. But this is you, so as with everything else you say, it carries no meaning, holds no weight. Have a fabulous center-right evening while you try convincing people to believe the shit you make up.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)as an ideological pontiff who gets to excommunicate people from his side's ideological ranks.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)calling them "conservatives."
That should piss me off, but I've had so many people try that bullshit that it amuses me. Whether they're liars or delusional, meh, who cares?
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Hey, geek tragedy.
I looked all over the internet, and couldn't find a source for what you claim is the definition of "Teabagger" or Teabaggerism."
In fact, every definition I have found contradicts your statement.
Are you just making stuff up again?
Don't you know that is a bad thing?
You should stop making stuff up and posting it to DU before your credibility suffers.
"Credibility" is defined as "the quality of being trusted and believed in."
https://www.google.com/#q=credibility+definition
SEE?
That is HOW you do that!
.
.
.
No charge.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)to everything the President supports and for their attempts to deny his legitimacy?
bvar22
(39,909 posts)[font size=3]I am saying that YOU are Making Stuff Up,
and using your fabrications to attack other Democrats and members of DU.[/font]
Please provide support for your claim in Post 36 where YOU stated:
[font size=3]"Teabaggerism is defined by opposition and hatred of all things Obama.[/font]"---geek tragedy
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)"one of the defining characteristics is" go ahead and pat yourself on the back.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-11-28/site/ct-gop-mindless-opposition-obama-milbank-oped-1128-20131128_1_iran-deal-nuclear-program-president-barack-obama
To rephrase: Schweitzer and his fans are adopting perhaps the best known defining characteristic of the Tea Party movement and the ultra-partisan Republicans: mindless, reflexive, knee-jerk rejection of all things Obama has ever done or proposes to do.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)According to you:
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Teabaggers criticize President Obama.
Therefore, anyone who criticizes President Obama is a Teabagger.
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You DO see the problem?
Yes?
It is the first one on the list of Formal Fallacies.
I recommend a course in Logic.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)criticizes Obama.
But, the people who literally see NOTHING in his record worth praising, defending, or keeping are all Teabaggers.
Think about it--in order to hold that belief, a person has to reject:
negotiations with Iran
US-Russia nuclear disarmament treaty
DADT repeal
fight for voting rights by DoJ
creation of the CFPB
expansion of Medicaid
ban on exclusions for pre-existing conditions
no human being on the left could honestly say they view none of the above as a positive accomplishment.
yet Brian Schweitzer just did.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Generalization:
Teabaggers make thing up and use their fabrications to attack Democrats.
Invalid Conclusion:
Therefore, anyone who makes thing up and uses their fabrications to attack Democrats is a Teabagger.
You just admitted that you fabricated the definition of a "Teabagger",
and YOU used it to attack Democrats.
Therefore,......
NOW can you see the problem with your "Logic"
bvar22
(39,909 posts)No,
but the OP is.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)It's high time you stopped believing all of his previous center-right posts and just take his word for it now.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)Like the real Teabaggers on the Right, the "Left-wing Teabaggers" are unable to see the forest from the trees. Generally speaking, they view the moderates/centrists in the party as weak and unnecessary. They tend to overlook the many stances where they do agree with various politicians from their side of the aisle on, while emphasizing the few disagreements and making them deal breakers.
frylock
(34,825 posts)for some time now. it's very effective in getting progressives to vote for conservative politicians labeled as democrats.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Montana’s governor says the Keystone XL pipeline from Alberta’s oil sands to the Gulf Coast will eventually be built and he blames the delay on “jackasses” in Washington who have only recently discovered the issue.
“Blah, blah, blah, Washington, D.C., politics. If you want to get something a) not done and b) cussed and discussed, send it to Washington, D.C.,” Gov. Brian Schweitzer, a Democrat, said in an interview with The Canadian Press. “It’s going to get built.
“Ninety per cent of these jackasses that are complaining about the Keystone pipeline in Washington, D.C., one year ago wouldn’t have even known where the Keystone was. While we were doing the heavy lifting here in Montana and in South Dakota and in Kansas and Oklahoma ... in Washington, D.C. ... all these great defenders had never heard of Keystone before.”
The pipeline, which would extend the reach of an existing oil line that delivers crude to the U.S. Midwest, has become a major political flashpoint as U.S. President Barack Obama seeks re-election.
But now he's being portrayed as some sort of liberal hero.
Sid
2naSalit
(86,502 posts)I'll tell ya, Sid, I don't agree with you on most things that I see posted with your moniker but on this one, you are spot on. I am a MT voter and was here during his two terms... not in favor of him for most things. I only voted for him as a lesser of two evils and I refuse to not vote.
He also promised to stop the slaughter and abuse of the Yellowstone NP bison... that's a story nobody here would approve of, but caved in a heartbeat as soon as he was sworn in. Just one example.
Don't buy the BS, best to just say "no thanks, gov." on this guy and look elsewhere for a candidate. He loves the limelight but he's not presidential material.
Cha
(297,029 posts)living in Montana during Schweitzer's time as Gov, 2naSalit.
Cha
(297,029 posts)harsh on Putin without getting the wrath of .. well, you know who.
Russia Good USA BAD.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,228 posts)
brooklynite
(94,479 posts)sheesh.
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)You don't understand, it's not about him. It's about Hillary. Nothing can get between her and the Oval Office.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)I have three lanes on a bridge in New Jersey to sell you.
There's a smart way to oppose Hillary. Schweitzer has not discovered it.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Stock market has doubled. Energy production is up. Imports from foreign countries are down. The number of rigs drilling for oil in the United States has more than quadrupled. Manufacturing jobs are coming back, not just because we're producing a record amount of natural gas that's lowering electricity prices, but because we have the best-trained, hardest-working labor force in the history of the world.
We are demanding more from our schools, but we're backing up that demand by investing more in teachers, increasing financial aid and doubling funding for Pell Grants. While he was doing all that, President Obama cut our taxes. He cut taxes 18 times for small businesses. He cut taxes by $3,600 for the typical middle-class family. Now that dog does hunt.
Governor Romney said that finding Osama bin Laden was "not worth moving heaven and earth." Tonight, bin Laden isn't on earth, and he sure isn't in heaven. Thanks to the courage of American Special Forces and the bold leadership of our president, Osama bin Laden is at the bottom of the ocean.
All four of my grandparents were immigrants. They homesteaded the Montana prairie with nothing but the clothes on their backs, faith in God, and hope in their hearts that their kids and grandkids would have a better future. They delivered on that hope. And so has President Obama. Now it's our turn to deliver, not just for the president, but for our kids, and our grandkids.
This election is about their education, their jobs, their health care, their freedom, their dignity, their hope and their futures. Are we going to deliver? Are we going to keep America moving forward? Are we gonna hire the right guy to finish the job for four more years?
http://news.yahoo.com/brian-schweitzers-speech-full-text-democratic-national-convention-202629764--politics.html
2014 Brian Schweitzer apparently has not met 2012 Brian Scwhweitzer.
He's reinvented himself out of political necessity, pretty shamelessly and dishonestly.
Which is usually the reason people give for rejecting Hillary.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Schweitzer gives a huge speech at the 2012 Democratic Convention and, not even quite two years into Obama's second term, he's basically saying he hasn't done one good thing?
He said it. It's right there.
Looks like Schweitzer is positioning himself. But he's stupid - as basically running against Obama and calling him a failure is not the way to win the nomination. Schweitzer has minimal support within the party, and I doubt liberals would LOVE that he would greenlight Keystone the second he entered office.
Not very smart if he's really running for president.
MagickMuffin
(15,933 posts)The Mayor of San Antonio.
Sheesh, indeed!
riqster
(13,986 posts)But I really don't want two Teapublican senators from Ohio.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)
JVS
(61,935 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)I will be even more keenly listening to what she says about Iran.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)Climate change is going to make the 20th century look downright peaceful. We better speed up the process with a massive oil pipeline.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)anyone other than Hillary in the primary.....except for Schweitzer.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)But, will be voting in the general. I'd like to have a Democratic candidate I can vote for.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)
Beacool
(30,247 posts) Rex
(65,616 posts)He wouldn't be the first, personally I think running on any anti-Obama platform (with a D after your name) is certifiably stupid imo and a great way to make a large batch of failuresauce!
There is no such thing however as left wing teabaggery...just no such animal. Left wing anti-Obama...yes no doubt, but that is NOT teabaggery.
TO BE teabaggery...you have to be more libertarian than liberal imo.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)which appears to be a shameless, disgusting hit piece. Didn't even know he was a potential candidate.
Thank you for opening me to a different candidate.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Smells like a hit piece. The only person who directly made the statement Obama ended his usefulness when he was inaugurated is the author of the article.
Meanwhile, some direct quotes....
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)He said that.
He could have talked about the auto industry, or bin Laden, or the jobs added, or Medicaid expansion, or end to pre-existing condition exclusions, or clean energy efforts, or the creation of CFPB, or the repeal of DADT, or middle class tax cuts, or the deficit falling.
Nope. When asked for a positive accomplishment, He went with "the only good thing is he's black."
In other words, he's essentially validating every Republican lie and claim about Obama and Congressional Democrats made since 1/20/09 that Obama never earned election and that the only reason Democrats (and especially African-American Democrats) voted for Obama is because he's black.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)If he had actually said that the only good thing Obama has done was be black I would agree that would be a very bad thing to say. I have yet to see you provide an actual quote to back your charge up however, your OP does not contain a quote and the line you bolded in that OP certainly does not say what you seem to be claiming it says.
I have very mixed feelings on Schweitzer, but until you can provide me a quote of him saying what you are claiming he said I am going to have to assume he did not actually say it.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Part 1: Silence
Brian Schweitzer, the former two-term Democratic governor of Montana, is rarely speechless. Once he gets going on a topic, he’s almost impossible to stop. As he builds up steam, he’ll slap his knee to emphasize his points. He’ll slap your knee to emphasize his points. Good luck getting a word in edgewise for that follow-up question.
But at the moment, Schweitzer is rubbing his chin, looking up at the ceiling, searching – unsuccessfully – for just the right words. The question was simple enough: Is there a single thing President Obama has done that you consider a positive achievement?
Finally, he spoke.
Part 2: I have nothing nice to say.
Part 3: Obama is incompetent, scary, and I agree with Paul Ryan and Karl Rove and Mitch McConnell when they say that Obamacare "will collapse on its own weight."
But he couldn’t help himself, slamming Obama’s record on civil liberties (the NSA revelations were “un-effing-believable”), his competency (“They just haven’t been very good at running things”), and above all, Obamacare (“It will collapse on its own weight”).
Part 4: But, he is useful as a racial token.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)Do you even know? You give a really long explanation but never say what he actually said.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)That's an explicit statement that he can't think of one nice thing, one positive accomplishment for which he was willing to give President Obama credit.
So, fuck him and his disregard for the repeal of DADT, the establishment of the CFPB, every single benefit of the ACA, the fight for voting rights from the DoJ, the action Obama mandated re the DREAMers, the nuclear deal he cut with the Russians, the clean energy programs, etc etc etc.
He's pandering to the Teabaggers and the Naderites at the same time.
The most charitable explanation is that he was making a big show of it not to repudiate all of Obama's policies, but rather just to strut and show off his Teabagger-style personal contempt for the President.
Followed by the comment reducing Obama's achievements to his skin color.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)The claim of yours that I was challenging was "Schweitzer said the only good thing Obama has done is to be black." The quote you just posted does not say anything like that.
Would you like to withdraw your accusation that Schweitzer claimed the only good thing Obama did was be black? I would think you would either withdraw the accusation or provide us a quote to prove he said what you are alleging he said.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)When asked to mention one positive accomplishment of the President, he initially said he couldn't think of any. Not one.
But then he thought about it some more and came up with the Obama being the first black President, as if his skin color was an accomplishment.
What I said is a straightforward reading of his interview.
If he doesn't want to get pegged as a race-baiting, Tea-chasing pandering asshole, he shouldn't talk like one.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)Have you even seen a video or transcript? If you can't tell me what exactly he said then how can you call your words an accurate summary?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Finally, he spoke.
“My mother, God rest her soul, told me ‘Brian, if you can’t think of something nice to say about something change the subject,’” he said.
There's your transcript.
Maybe your next step will be to claim he was mistranslated.
You will note that the governor has not disputed those words, despite them being all over the Internet today.
If he objects to being portrayed as an Obama-hating dead-ender, he has not shown it.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)It does not even say anything even remotely like that, I have no clue how you even think that quote could come close to backing up your accusation.
Again please provide a link to where Schweitzer said "the only good thing Obama has done is to be black." That is the accusation I was challenging and that is the accusation I would like you to provide a quote to support. If you can't find a quote that matches your accusation then you should withdraw your accusation.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Obama was the first black president.
After pointedly saying he had nothing positive to say about anything Obama had done while in office.
So, that's exactly what he said. Oh, he threw in a jab at Obama's competence along the way, to go with the claim that Obama had no positive accomplishments in office.
Ask yourself, who else goes around saying Obama's been literally good-for-nothing while in office?
That's what Brian Schweitzer has become.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)You claim that what you say is "exactly what he said", but I sure don't see any quote marks so it is clearly not exactly what he said. It is clear however that you have absolutely no clue what he said, you are basing everything on the claims of an MSNBC reporter. Let's be honest, you have absolutely no clue what his actual words were.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Schweitzer's exact, precise, verbatim quote in bold:
Finally, he spoke.
“My mother, God rest her soul, told me ‘Brian, if you can’t think of something nice to say about something change the subject,’” he said.
That is his exact quote when asked to identify a single positive accomplishment of the President.
There is no reason to think the reporter fabricated that quote.
We're done here.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)Again your claim was that "Schweitzer said the only good thing Obama has done is to be black", that quote you keep posting does not say anything even remotely similar to what you accused Schweitzer of saying.
Cha
(297,029 posts)Animal..
"Eventually, he paused to acknowledge Obama’s historic role as the first black president. But by that standard, Obama’s usefulness ended the day he took the oath of office."
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2014_01/schweitzer_as_the_antiobama048648.php
Precisely.. by that stupid standard.
From that same piece from Ed Gilgore..
"Unless this was some sort of screwed-up revival of Teddy Kennedy’s famously disastrous Roger Mudd interview in 1980, Schweitzer’s sure taking an unorthodox route to a Democratic presidential candidacy. Yes, his complaints about Obama’s record are shared by quite a few progressive folk. But generally trashing Obama—or for that matter, trashing HRC—is not the way to build a base for a presidential campaign. According to the latest Gallup numbers, Obama’s job approval rating among self-identified liberal Democrats stands at 84%. That is rather high. Among African-Americans, who play a huge role in many Democratic presidential primaries, it’s at 86% (it’s only 58% among Hispanics, but that includes a decent number of Republicans)."
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)You've squirmed your way back and forth, avoiding any specifics because you cannot provide them. Did you think no one had noticed? You're not as good at propagandizing as you'd like to think you are. Start providing quotes, or get used to a reputation for being dishonest.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)to read it.
“My mother, God rest her soul, told me ‘Brian, if you can’t think of something nice to say about something change the subject,’” he said.
You're not so stupid that you don't understand what that means, so kindly remember that neither are the rest of us.
Holly_Hobby
(3,033 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,228 posts)Montana, but it's no way to run a national campaign, with a historically diverse coalition. He will learn early that Urban radio will chew him up & spit him out if he chooses to go much further down this road. Bet on it! 
Number23
(24,544 posts)
neverforget
(9,436 posts)
anti partisan
(429 posts)It seems the criticism of him is that he believes in protecting civil liberties and replacing Obamacare with a single-payer system.
Yet you mention nothing about how he loves domestic fossil fuels?
What are you, a Bush-era Republican?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Any pol calling for the repeal of the Affordable Care Act, who bashes Medicaid, who's in the pocket of the coal industry and the NRA, is not a fighter for liberal values.
anti partisan
(429 posts)He supports single payer ("socialized medicine" as Teabaggers call it).
And yeah he's a believer in "clean" coal, but so is Obama. However, of course you neglect mentioning this right-wing tendency of him, probably because Obama mostly agrees with him.
Your point seems to be this: he's a "Teabagger" because he's critical of the Obama administration
And then you attack him from the right. Not very Bernie Sanders of you.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)He is a member of the "repeal and replace" caucus, which means repeal and then gridlock. He is on record stating that the ACA is doomed to fail. Which makes him a liar as well as plagiarist of the Tea Party.
He hates Medicaid. Loves the XL pipeline.
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anti partisan
(429 posts)Most progressives that I know agree that the ACA is flawed and is only a step in the right direction. I see nothing indicating that Schweitzer doesn't agree with that. And he supports single payer which is about as far from the Tea Party as you can be.
I don't know what your agenda here is, but it makes no sense how you're trying to frame his reservations with ACA as some kind of alliance with the Tea Party and also Ryan/Rove (who are a distinctly different entity from the TP).
I will be the first to admit that he's got some right-leaning tendencies, like how he opposed Medicaid expansion in the past, and his support of clean coal, oil drilling/Keystone, and guns. But please stop trying to frame his current healthcare position as the same as the Tea Party, when in fact it's pretty close to the diametric opposite.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)It's just a load of bullshit to do that. FoxNews worthy. Pants and hair ablaze with fire. Barf. Enough of this shit.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)"least effective programs ever" and said that Obama's only positive accomplishment is being black and President at the same time.
Medicaid expansion? Well, he hates Medicaid so obviously he doesn't care about that.
DADT repeal? Nope, not worth mentioning as a positive achievement.
Nuclear disarmament treaty with Russia? Nope.
Auto industry rescue? Ending pre-existing condition exclusions? CFPB?
Nope, nope, and nope.
He's adopted the Teabillyntslking point that people voted for Obama and support him for only one reason, the color of his skin. Nothing else of merit at all.
Of course, back in 2012 when it served his interests he was more than eager to kiss Obama's ass and praise his record with gusto.
But, now that he's trolling for attention, he calls Obama an incompetent empty suit affirmative action hire.
If he were looking out for anyone besides himself, he's be running for Senate rather than running a mining company and his mouth.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)So, every single thing that you like about what Obama has done in office--Brian Schweitzer doesn't support ANY of them.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)of the Obama administration?
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Look, if you can't see the obvious truth that the following is a smear, I can't help you:
"he's going to run on telling Democrats--who overwhelmingly approve of the record of the Obama administration, that there is literally nothing good they did, that the only thing positive about their President is his value as a racial token"
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)I stand by the interpretation
Vattel
(9,289 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)or was he always one?
I think at one time he generally supported the President and wasn't such a cuckoo. I wonder who is working with him to run the President down, I don't think he's gone goofy just all on his own - something is fishy.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Which means that his polices agree with mine.
He is now Chairman of the Board of a mining company.
Chairman of the board of Stillwater Mining Company. There is a strike against him.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Repudiates every single thing Democrats have accomplished since 2009 in DC.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)And calls anything he says about other policies in question.
Thanks. This was a very useful exchange.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)Both the Clintons also support Keystone and probably called in a favor from him.
Schwietzer is now working for them. Why he is calling out Obama like that is a bit of a wonder. Calling him black and pretty well useless... that's low as low can go. The Clintons must have given him that script because they don't let go.
Prophet 451
(9,796 posts)Granted, I'm disappointed the Obama admin hasn't been a lot more progressive on some things (for example, I think he should have forgotten about getting any Republican support and pushed for single-payer while Dems held 60 Senate seats) but I can think of many things the Obama admin has gotten right too. Just off the top of my head, I'd say nominating Justice Sotomayor, banning torture, the stimulus (even if it was too small), ending teh Iraq war and saving the auto industry. I would have preferred it if Osama Bin Laden had been taken alive and tried for his crimes (to show that our way, the civilized way, works) but he's still out of circulation so that counts too.
Cha
(297,029 posts)that libertarian?
Schweitzer is his own worst enemy.