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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 04:44 PM Jan 2014

FOX News' Roger Ailes is a Big Fan of Leni Riefenstahl, Hitler's favorite NAZI filmmaker.



According to the new biography (and a history going back a ways in GOP circles), The Loudest Voice In The Room: How The Brilliant, Bombastic Roger Ailes Built Fox News — And Divided A Country:



Ailes was “a big fan” of Leni Riefenstahl, Hitler’s notorious favorite filmmaker—not for her Nazi ideology but for her cinematic talent as a propagandist. “Ailes was especially taken by Riefenstahl’s use of camera angles.”

SOURCE: http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2014/01/extraordinary-revelations-about-roger.html



Terry Gross of Fresh Air interviewed Gabriel Sherman, the guy who wrote, the book today.

This is the kind of information that Fox viewers might appreciate knowing before watching their television screens.

Something everyone should know: Roger Ailes and the Big Money has been in bed with Big NAZI for a long time.
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FOX News' Roger Ailes is a Big Fan of Leni Riefenstahl, Hitler's favorite NAZI filmmaker. (Original Post) Octafish Jan 2014 OP
She did do some interesting and innovative work. Film students Cleita Jan 2014 #1
The author said Ailes admired Riefenstahl's camera work... Octafish Jan 2014 #4
the OP says Ailes admired her "cinematic talent as a propagandist" phantom power Jan 2014 #9
Clearly he's even a bigger fan of Goebbels. nt onehandle Jan 2014 #2
Ich höre Sie. Octafish Jan 2014 #5
And we read about forced hysterectomies mikeysnot Mar 2021 #43
1000 Tom Ripley Jan 2014 #19
She was a roundbreaking filmmaker whos art has stood the test of time and is still studied by film kelly1mm Jan 2014 #3
Great. She still sucked up to the NAZIs -- and so do too many US pols... Octafish Jan 2014 #6
Both are true. Gormy Cuss Jan 2014 #25
I admit, her work is amazing nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #7
For me: Genius in the employ of evil changes the quality of the work. Octafish Jan 2014 #11
Presumably, then, you think Shoeless Joe should not be in the HoF.:) malthaussen Jan 2014 #17
Re: Genius in the employ of evil changes the quality of the work. BarackTheVote Jan 2014 #37
And don't get me started about anyone who likes Volkswagen Beetles. Throd Jan 2014 #8
Roger Ailes drives in a bigger car. Octafish Jan 2014 #12
Her work was a part of my studies in film school. zappaman Jan 2014 #10
Your work must be epic. Octafish Jan 2014 #13
Send me your script, Brad. zappaman Jan 2014 #15
R#8 & K for, all the more proficient wingnuts are but don't tell anybody UTUSN Jan 2014 #14
The Vulgar Pigboy enjoyed a meteoric rise to help America become more racist, bigoted and NAZI like. Octafish Jan 2014 #18
Her film Olympia on the 1936 Olympics is amazing. edbermac Jan 2014 #16
She didn't mention Marty Glickman getting benched by Avery Brundage, did she? Octafish Jan 2014 #23
Yeah, but what about Woody Allen? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2014 #20
''Bananas'' was a great movie. Octafish Jan 2014 #27
So is everybody who loves "O Fortuna" a Nazi sympathizer too? cemaphonic Jan 2014 #21
No. But I do know a NAZI when I hear one speak. Octafish Jan 2014 #30
Not surprised. ananda Jan 2014 #22
Most Americans are unaware of the CIA-NAZI links... Octafish Jan 2014 #31
Most serious students of film admire her techniques, not her content REP Jan 2014 #24
Rupert Murdoch, who pays Ailes, helped lie America into war on Iraq. Octafish Jan 2014 #32
Peas from the same pod? indepat Jan 2014 #26
How Wall St. Bailed Out the Nazis Octafish Jan 2014 #34
Thanks for posting this expose every American should be aware of indepat Jan 2014 #35
No wonder they love making Hitler comparisons! Guess it takes one to know one! Initech Jan 2014 #28
Pfui Savannahmann Jan 2014 #29
Teachers take money for teaching, yet they have integrity. Octafish Jan 2014 #40
Has anyone read Gabriel Sherman's book yet? nt octoberlib Jan 2014 #33
Truly looking forward to adding it to my lie-bury. Octafish Jan 2014 #39
Hugenberg, more like it (Riefenstahl would never allow anything so garish) MisterP Jan 2014 #36
Vielen Dank, MisterP. Octafish Jan 2014 #38
The recruitment of NAZIS by various agencies and organizations of The United States of America isn't bobthedrummer Jan 2014 #41
Perception Management™ at Work Octafish Jan 2014 #42

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
1. She did do some interesting and innovative work. Film students
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 04:55 PM
Jan 2014

today study her movies to learn from them. I'm thinking you think Ailes' also liked the subject matter. It could be true. Amazing how the worst fascist leaning players in our American society have German roots from that era. I saw a documentary once about her, where she was interviewed long after the fall of Germany. I think she was living in Sweden then and she claimed she wasn't glorifying the Nazis but just documenting the era. Yeah. Sure.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
4. The author said Ailes admired Riefenstahl's camera work...
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 05:04 PM
Jan 2014

...in particular the lower than eye level shot that made the subjects appear, um, superior. The author and Gross made clear that Ailes was not an admirer of NAZI ideology.

Considering how FOX news helped lie America into an illegal, immoral, unnecessary and disastrous war in Iraq -- and pushed lies like Bush43 was elected, among other things -- I find that troubling and dishonest.

PS: Sorry to sound so pedantic, Cleita. I'm discouraged by a growing number of DUers who seem to discount the continuing influence of NAZI ideology on the present day.

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
9. the OP says Ailes admired her "cinematic talent as a propagandist"
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 05:20 PM
Jan 2014

So he admired her as a propagandist, and how talented she was at that.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
5. Ich höre Sie.
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 05:11 PM
Jan 2014


Eugenics and the Nazis -- the California connection

by Edwin Black
Sunday, November 9, 2003

Hitler and his henchmen victimized an entire continent and exterminated millions in his quest for a so-called Master Race.

But the concept of a white, blond-haired, blue-eyed master Nordic race didn't originate with Hitler. The idea was created in the United States, and cultivated in California, decades before Hitler came to power. California eugenicists played an important, although little-known, role in the American eugenics movement's campaign for ethnic cleansing.

Eugenics was the pseudoscience aimed at "improving" the human race. In its extreme, racist form, this meant wiping away all human beings deemed "unfit," preserving only those who conformed to a Nordic stereotype. Elements of the philosophy were enshrined as national policy by forced sterilization and segregation laws, as well as marriage restrictions, enacted in 27 states. In 1909, California became the third state to adopt such laws. Ultimately, eugenics practitioners coercively sterilized some 60,000 Americans, barred the marriage of thousands, forcibly segregated thousands in "colonies," and persecuted untold numbers in ways we are just learning. Before World War II, nearly half of coercive sterilizations were done in California, and even after the war, the state accounted for a third of all such surgeries.

California was considered an epicenter of the American eugenics movement. During the 20th century's first decades, California's eugenicists included potent but little-known race scientists, such as Army venereal disease specialist Dr. Paul Popenoe, citrus magnate Paul Gosney, Sacramento banker Charles Goethe, as well as members of the California state Board of Charities and Corrections and the University of California Board of Regents.

Eugenics would have been so much bizarre parlor talk had it not been for extensive financing by corporate philanthropies, specifically the Carnegie Institution, the Rockefeller Foundation and the Harriman railroad fortune. They were all in league with some of America's most respected scientists from such prestigious universities as Stanford, Yale, Harvard and Princeton. These academicians espoused race theory and race science, and then faked and twisted data to serve eugenics' racist aims.

CONTINUED...

http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/offSiteArchive/www.sfgate.com/index.html

kelly1mm

(4,732 posts)
3. She was a roundbreaking filmmaker whos art has stood the test of time and is still studied by film
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 05:04 PM
Jan 2014

students throughout the globe.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
6. Great. She still sucked up to the NAZIs -- and so do too many US pols...
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 05:14 PM
Jan 2014
Nazis and the Republican Party

A Fresh Look

by Carla Binion

Investigative reporter Christopher Simpson says in BLOWBACK that after World War II, Nazi émigrés were given CIA subsidies to build a far-right-wing power base in the U.S.These Nazis assumed prominent positions in the Republican Party's "ethnic outreach committees." Simpson documents the fact that these Nazis did not come to America as individuals but as part of organized groups with fascist political agendas. The Nazi agenda did not die along with Adolf Hitler. It moved to America (or a part of it did) and joined the far right of the Republican Party.

Simpson shows how the State Department and the CIA put high-ranking Nazis on the intelligence payroll "for their expertise in propaganda and psychological warfare," among other purposes. The most important Nazi employed by the U.S. was Reinhard Gehlen, Hitler's most senior eastern front military intelligence officer. After Germany's defeat became certain, Gehlen offered the U.S. certain concessions in exchange for his own protection. Gehlen promoted hyped up cold war propaganda on behalf of the political right in this country, and helped shape U.S. perceptions of the cold war.

Journalist Russ Bellant (OLD NAZIS, THE NEW RIGHT, AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY) shows that Laszlo Pasztor, a convicted Nazi war collaborator, built the Republican émigré network. Pasztor, who served as adviser to Republican Paul Weyrich, belonged to the Hungarian Arrow Cross, a group that helped liquidate Hungary's Jews. Pasztor was founding chairman of the Republican Heritage Groups Council.

Two months before the November 1988 presidential election, a small newspaper, Washington Jewish Week, disclosed that a coalition for the Bush campaign included a number of outspoken Nazis and anti-Semites. The article prompted six leaders of Bush's coalition to resign.

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http://www.bartcop.com/nazigop.htm
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
7. I admit, her work is amazing
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 05:17 PM
Jan 2014

and if you are building a propaganda network, or you are a film student, she is essential

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
11. For me: Genius in the employ of evil changes the quality of the work.
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 05:29 PM
Jan 2014

Propaganda is un-democratic in the extreme and un-American and was against the law until recently:



The law, the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012, was passed as part of the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act. The repeal of the propaganda ban went into effect this month. The country has already gotten a taste of the U.S. propaganda efforts by the Pentagon.

SOURCE w/links to details: http://news.firedoglake.com/2013/07/15/propoganda-ban-repealed-as-government-made-news-floods-u-s/



Oh, how many blank stares I've gotten bringing up Edward Bernays with journalists:



“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.”

― Edward L. Bernays, Propaganda

SOURCE: http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/481391-propaganda



Not with you, Nadinita. We've tried detailing the role of Corporate McPravda.

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
17. Presumably, then, you think Shoeless Joe should not be in the HoF.:)
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 05:55 PM
Jan 2014

It's a nice philosophical point. But you know, Reifenstahl's career was totally derailed after the Third Reich fell, so one could make the argument that she paid for her weakness by being denied the chance to do the work she loved.

However, if we are analyzing someone's ability qua ability, or impact qua impact, does it make sense to consider the context of the work? I read a book once that began "Hitler: dare we call him great?" If you answer no, well and good: how do you feel about Alexander of Macedon or Louis XIV? (We could adopt Voltaire's view of the matter, which I tend to do) Isn't saying that technical ability cannot be evaluated separately from the context of the work just another form of propaganda? The flip side, after all, is the Pravda-esque view that so long as a work advances the principles of the State, it is great, no matter how much of a dog it is.

Just a rumination. Personally, I think Shoeless Joe should be left out of the HoF, and this despite the fact that the HoF is a pretty lame place, really.

-- Mal

BarackTheVote

(938 posts)
37. Re: Genius in the employ of evil changes the quality of the work.
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 04:18 AM
Jan 2014

Can't agree. D.W. Griffith, racist though he was, is arguably the most important person in film history. He is to film as Shakespeare is to literature; he basically invented the filmic language. Reifenstahl also contributed greatly to the grammar of filmmaking. It's a sad fact that many of the most important films in history have been explicitly racist. First feature film, "Birth of a Nation"; first full-length talkie, "The Jazz Singer"; first feature-length full-color film, "Gone With the Wind"... but their content cannot rob them of the fact that these films changed the medium forever in many positive ways.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
12. Roger Ailes drives in a bigger car.
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 05:42 PM
Jan 2014

Why it matters:



How Roger Ailes Built the Fox News Fear Factory

The onetime Nixon operative has created the most profitable propaganda machine in history. Inside America's Unfair and Imbalanced Network


By Tim Dickinson
Rolling Stone, May 25, 2011

EXCERPT...

Fear, in fact, is precisely what Ailes is selling: His network has relentlessly hyped phantom menaces like the planned “terror mosque” near Ground Zero, inspiring Florida pastor Terry Jones to torch the Koran. Privately, Murdoch is as impressed by Ailes’ business savvy as he is dismissive of his extremist politics. "You know Roger is crazy," Murdoch recently told a colleague, shaking his head in disbelief. "He really believes that stuff."
To watch even a day of Fox News – the anger, the bombast, the virulent paranoid streak, the unending appeals to white resentment, the reporting that’s held to the same standard of evidence as a late-­October attack ad – is to see a refraction of its founder, one of the most skilled and fearsome operatives in the history of the Republican Party. As a political consultant, Ailes repackaged Richard Nixon for television in 1968, papered over Ronald Reagan’s budding Alzheimer’s in 1984, shamelessly stoked racial fears to elect George H.W. Bush in 1988, and waged a secret campaign on behalf of Big Tobacco to derail health care reform in 1993. "He was the premier guy in the business," says former Reagan campaign manager Ed Rollins. "He was our Michelangelo."

In the fable Ailes tells about his own life, he made a clean break with his dirty political past long before 1996, when he joined forces with Murdoch to launch Fox News. "I quit politics," he has claimed, "because I hated it." But an examination of his career reveals that Ailes has used Fox News to pioneer a new form of political campaign – one that enables the GOP to bypass skeptical reporters and wage an around-the-clock, partisan assault on public opinion. The network, at its core, is a giant soundstage created to mimic the look and feel of a news operation, cleverly camouflaging political propaganda as independent journalism.

The result is one of the most powerful political machines in American history. One that plays a leading role in defining Republican talking points and advancing the agenda of the far right. Fox News tilted the electoral balance to George W. Bush in 2000, prematurely declaring him president in a move that prompted every other network to follow suit. It helped create the Tea Party, transforming it from the butt of late-night jokes into a nationwide insurgency capable of electing U.S. senators. Fox News turbocharged the Republican takeover of the House last fall, and even helped elect former Fox News host John Kasich as the union-busting governor of Ohio – with the help of $1.26 million in campaign contributions from News Corp. And by incubating a host of potential GOP contenders on the Fox News payroll– including Sarah Palin, Mike Huckabee, Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum – Ailes seems determined to add a fifth presidential notch to his belt in 2012. "Everything Roger wanted to do when he started out in politics, he’s now doing 24/7 with his network," says a former News Corp. executive. "It’s come full circle."

Take it from Rush Limbaugh, a "dear friend" of Ailes. "One man has established a culture for 1,700 people who believe in it, who follow it, who execute it," Limbaugh once declared. "Roger Ailes is not on the air. Roger Ailes does not ever show up on camera. And yet everybody who does is a reflection of him."

CONTINUED...

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-roger-ailes-built-the-fox-news-fear-factory-20110525



Rupert Murdoch drives in the biggest car of anybody.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
15. Send me your script, Brad.
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 05:48 PM
Jan 2014

I'm sure it's amazing!
Maybe we can get that sucker made!
No promises though I will try my best!

UTUSN

(70,648 posts)
14. R#8 & K for, all the more proficient wingnuts are but don't tell anybody
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 05:43 PM
Jan 2014

LIMBOsevic has probably surpassed GOEBBELS and Leni. I started monitoring him from his start in national syndication and have seen all his talents displayed: How he takes our Liberal adulation of FDR and turns the phrases into praise for RAYGUN, how he takes socio-political concepts that described wingnuts and turns them inside out to apply to us: e.g., "low information voter" during the '12 campaign was originally describing Faux Propaganda fans, and LIMBO applies the phrase to Libs.

HANNITY and O'LOOFAH are from a different tradition: the Catholic indoctrination system, how all it took was a single fire-breathing monk to set off the Crusades, the remnants of Classical education -- rhetoric, debate, rote, having the talking points at the tip of the tongue, being a motor mouth.

Common to both traditions: Scorched Earth:: No compromise ever, nothing but vanquishing the enemy.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
18. The Vulgar Pigboy enjoyed a meteoric rise to help America become more racist, bigoted and NAZI like.
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 06:04 PM
Jan 2014

How he rose, courtesy of the people who gave the NAZIs a ratline out of the hangman's noose after 1945:



ABC and the rise of Rush Limbaugh

EXCERPT...

One of Capital City's early founders was William Casey, who would later become Ronald Reagan's Director of the CIA. At the time of Casey's nomination, the press expressed surprise that Reagan would hire a businessman whose last-known intelligence experience was limited to OSS operations in World War II. The fact is, however, that Casey had never left intelligence. Throughout the Cold War he kept a foot in both worlds, in private business as well as the CIA. A history of Casey's business dealings reveals that he was an aggressive player who saw nothing wrong with bending the law to further his own conservative agenda. When he became implicated as a central figure in the Iran-Contra scandal, many Washington insiders considered it a predictable continuation of a very shady career.

Another Capital Cities founder, Lowell Thomas, was a close friend and business contact with Allen Dulles, Eisenhower's CIA Director, and John Dulles, the Secretary of State. Thomas always denied being a spy, but he was frequently seen at events involving intelligence operations. Another founder was Thomas Dewey, whom the CIA had given millions to create other front companies for covert operations.

Capital Cities prospered from the start; its specialty was to buy media organizations that were in trouble. Upon acquisition, it would improve management and eliminate waste until the company started turning a profit. This no-nonsense, no-frills approach, as well as its refusal to become side-tracked with other ventures, made it one of the most successful media conglomerates of the 60s and 70s. Of course, the journalistic slant of its companies was decidedly conservative and anticommunist. To anyone who believes that the government should not control the press, the possibility that the CIA created a media company to dispense conservative and Cold War propaganda should be alarming. Rush Limbaugh himself calls freedom of the press "the sweetest -- and most American -- words you will ever find." (2) Apparently, he is unaware of the history of his own employers.

By the 1980s, Capital Cities had grown powerful enough that it was now poised to hunt truly big game: a major television network. A vulnerable target appeared in the form of ABC, whose poor management in the early 80s was driving both its profits and stocks into oblivion. Back then, ABC's journalistic slant was indeed liberal; its criticism of the Reagan Administration had drawn the wrath of conservatives everywhere, from Wall Street to Washington. This was in marked contrast to the rest of the White House press corps, which was, in Bagdikian's words, "stunningly uncritical" of Reagan. Behind the scenes, Reagan was deregulating the FCC and eliminating anti-monopoly laws for the media, a fact the media appreciated and rewarded. The only exception was ABC. Sam Donaldson's penetrating questions during press conferences were so embarrassing to Reagan that his handlers scheduled the fewest Presidential press conferences in modern history.

SNIP...

The Fairness Doctrine was repealed in 1987 by the FCC. Reagan had staffed the FCC with prominent media businessmen who were intent on slashing government regulations… the equivalent of letting the fox guard the chicken coop. Among the many other regulations slashed during the Reagan years were anti-trust laws that prevented the media from becoming a monopoly. Much of this was done under heavy pressure by corporate lobbyists.

In this atmosphere of deregulation, Capital Cities found the perfect time to take over ABC. Not only were all the legal restrictions removed, but by now Casey was head of the CIA, and whatever contacts existed between the CIA and Casey's company (in which Casey held substantial stock) were immeasurably strengthened. Capital Cities soon began buying out ABC stock. The facts of the acquisition remain curious and unconventional. Capital Cities was only one-fourth the size of ABC, and there were much wealthier corporate giants who were salivating over a plum like a television network. But word got out on Wall Street that the Capital Cities takeover bid was "protected" by Warren Buffet, a legendary trader often described as the "Darling of Wall Street." (Until 1995, Buffet was the richest man in America.) With Buffet's help, Capital Cities took over ABC. According to one source, a high-ranking CIA official teased Casey, saying, "I understand Sam Donaldson is working for you now."

CONTINUED...

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-libmedia.htm



Then there's the ideology parts is parts:



Rush Limbaugh's "Nazi" Rhetoric: Where's the Outrage?

Why are so many corporate news outlets silent about Limbaugh's offensive Hitler comparisons?

by Eric Boehlert
Alternet/Media Matters

The Houston Chronicle editorial page wanted to be absolutely clear: References to Adolf Hitler or Nazis in American politics had no place in the "discourse of the nation," and the crude analogies were "beyond the pale." The practice was "absurd and dangerous."

The editorial page was disgusted by the rhetoric and firmly believed that dredging up the Nazi comparisons desensitized people to the pain and violence that actual Nazis unleashed in the 20th century.

The condemnation was fitting, given the fact that the country's most-listened-to talk radio host, Rush Limbaugh, last week unfurled shocking rhetoric in which he compared the Obama White House to a Nazi organization and even likened Obama to Hitler. ("Adolf Hitler, like Barack Obama, also ruled by dictate.&quot The outlandish attacks seemed to be a case of Limbaugh playing catch-up to Fox News' Glenn Beck (Limbaugh = Beck Lite?), who had been pounding the noxious Nazi angle for weeks.

Of course it's depressing to watch Limbaugh drive politics into the gutter, but at least watchdogs at big-city dailies like the Houston Chronicle are calling out the really reprehensible stuff, right?

I wish.

Because here's the catch: That Chronicle editorial I mentioned above wasn't in response to Limbaugh's latest misguided hate maneuver. The scathing editorial was published on January 7, 2004, and came in response to news that two videos submitted to a MoveOn.org advertisement contest had included Hitler imagery in their 30-second attacks on President Bush. (They were just two of the 1,500 clips submitted.) MoveOn never endorsed the efforts or promoted them; the clips simply appeared on MoveOn's crowded contest website. But when news spread about their mere existence, a controversy erupted, and the liberal netroots group quickly pulled the ads, apologized for their inclusion, and denounced the use of Nazi imagery.

CONTINUED...

http://www.alternet.org/story/141911/rush_limbaugh%27s_%22nazi%22_rhetoric%3A_where%27s_the_outrage



What have we got, when we're up against the Corporate McPravda machine and all it spews? Just one thing: the Truth. And it's why most people can't stand what comes out of their tee vee, noosepapers, and ray-dee-ohs. Thanks for grokking and standing up to them, UTUSN.

edbermac

(15,933 posts)
16. Her film Olympia on the 1936 Olympics is amazing.
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 05:55 PM
Jan 2014

And Triumph Of The Will is amazing, unfortunately in the worst way.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
23. She didn't mention Marty Glickman getting benched by Avery Brundage, did she?
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 09:14 PM
Jan 2014

The head of the U.S. Olympic committee preferred to bask in the glow of der Führer rather than allow a Jewish athlete who was one of the fastest men in the world compete in the 4X100m relay. A story that won't get mentioned much, if at all, during the coming Olympic coverage on tee vee:



Marty Glickman

Jewish Virtual Library

Perhaps the most famous of all modern Olympics was the 1936 "Nazi Olympics," held in Berlin. Hitler tried to use the Olympic Games to demonstrate the superiority of "pure Aryans" over nations that allowed Jews, blacks and other "mongrel" races to compete on their behalf. Jesse Owens and other African-American track stars embarrassed the Fuhrer by winning most of the gold medals in the men’s track sprints and relays, defeating their German rivals easily.

What is less remembered about the Nazi Olympics is the saga of two American Jewish sprinters, Marty Glickman and Sam Stoller. The 18-year-old Glickman had been a track and football star at Syracuse University, while Stoller competed for the University of Michigan. The two young men made the U. S. Olympic squad as members of the 400-yard relay team. Glickman and Stoller traveled to Germany and prepared diligently for the relay race. The day before the race, however, with little explanation, the U.S. track team coaches replaced Glickman and Stoller with two other runners, Jesse Owens and Ralph Metcalfe, both African-Americans.

By Glickman’s own account, the last-minute switch was a straightforward case of anti-Semitism. Avery Brundage, chairman of the United States Olympic Committee, was an enthusiastic supporter of Hitler’s regime and denied that the Nazis followed anti-Semitic policies. Brundage and assistant U. S. Olympic track coach Dean Cromwell were members of America First, an isolationist political movement that attracted American Nazi sympathizers. Additionally, Cromwell coached two of the other Olympic sprinters, Foy Draper and Frank Wyckoff, at the University of Southern California and openly favored those two over Glickman and Stoller.

Glickman’s suspicions about the fairness of the relay team selection process began at the American Olympic team trials in New York, when he was told he placed fifth of the seven runners competing in the sprint finals. Finish-line photography was not yet in use at that time, but films of the race seem to indicate that Glickman actually finished third behind Owens and Metcalfe. The judges, apparently under pressure from Cromwell, placed Glickman fifth behind Draper and Wyckoff. As a result, Glickman was not one of the three sprinters entered in the 100-yard dash, a premiere Olympic event. Instead, Glickman and Stoller traveled to Berlin as part of the 400-yard relay team, each scheduled to run a 100-yard leg of the race.

As an 18 year old, Glickman was grateful to be going to the Olympics, even if he felt that he’d been robbed of his chance at a medal in the 100 yard dash. There was an effort made by some American Jewish organizations to convince the U. S. Olympic committee to boycott the Nazi Olympics, but Brundage prevailed and the team went. Glickman, like most American Jews, thought that the anti-Semitism he might encounter in Berlin would be no worse than what he faced growing up in Brooklyn. Like many Americans, Glickman had no inkling of the horrific fate awaiting German Jewry in the years after 1936.

Once in Germany, Glickman, Stoller, Draper and Wyckoff spent two weeks practicing as the 400-yard relay team. They were confident of victory. Then, on the day of the qualifying trials, head track coach Lawson Robertson told Glickman and Stoller that Owens and Metcalfe would be replacing them. To his credit, Owens protested to Robertson that Glickman and Stoller deserved to run. Glickman pointed out to Robertson that any combination of the seven teammates could win the race by 15 yards. Robertson replied that he would enter his four best athletes in the relay and that, in his judgment, Owens and Metcalfe were better than Stoller and Glickman. Robertson said his goal was winning, nothing more. Glickman turned to assistant coach Cromwell and said, "Coach, you know that Sam and I are the only two Jews on the track team. If we don’t run there’s bound to be a lot of criticism back home." Cromwell retorted, "We’ll take our chances." The American team won in record time as Glickman watched from the stands.

Glickman (who remained a close friend of Owens until the latter’s death) and Stoller were devastated by the decision. Stoller, age 21, announced his retirement from track competition but later recanted. Later that year he won an NCAA sprint championship. Glickman returned to college and became a football All-American. After a brief professional career in football and basketball, Glickman went on to become a distinguished sportscaster, best known as the voice of the New York Knicks and football Giants. Despite his later success, the disillusionment of the 1936 Olympics always loomed large for Glickman. He recalled returning to Olympic Stadium in Berlin in 1985 as part of a tribute to Jesse Owens. Glickman was surprised by his reactions. He told historian Peter Levine:

As I walked into the stadium, I began to get so angry. I began to get so mad. It shocked the hell out of me that this thing of forty-nine years ago could still evoke this anger… I was cussing...I was really amazed at myself, at this feeling of anger. Not about the German Nazis …that was a given. But the anger at Avery Brundage and Dean Cromwell for not allowing an eighteen-year-old kid to compete in the Olympic Games just because he was Jewish.


Glickman had been in Syracuse one year when he made the 1936 Olympic team. After he graduated in 1939, he joined the radio station WHN and by 1943 was its sports director. A long, distinguished broadcasting career followed. When the New York Knickerbockers were formed in 1946, Glickman was their radio announcer. Later, he was the National Basketball Association's first announcer for TV. He was the voice of the football Giants, for 23 years, of the Knicks for 21, Yonkers Raceway for 12, the New York Jets for 11. Glickman did pre- and postgame shows for the Dodgers and Yankees for 22 years; he broadcast track meets, wrestling matches, roller derbies and rodeos, even a marbles tournament. NBC employed him as a critic and teacher of its sports announcers. In 1988 WCBS hired him for his second tour as the Jets' play-by-play announcer on radio. It was from that position that Glickman quietly said goodbye to his last audience in December 1992, at age 74.

In 1996, his autobiography, The Fastest Kid on the Block, was published.

Glickman underwent heart bypass surgery Dec. 14. He died of complications from the operation on January 3, 2001. He was 83.


CONTINUED...

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/glickman.html



Octafish

(55,745 posts)
27. ''Bananas'' was a great movie.
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 09:56 PM
Jan 2014

A mockumentary, as it were.



Two of these do not belong, per Avery Brundage, president USOC.



It has been alleged that Brundage may had been contacted before the race by Hitler’s Minister of Propaganda, Joseph Goebbels, who wished to spare the Nazi leader the embarrassment of having to award in this most public forum gold medals to two Jews. The Olympic Games were of utmost interest to the Nazi leader, and a large number of commemorative works were published promoting the games and the Nazi racial agenda.

SOURCE: http://wolfsonianfiulibrary.wordpress.com/2013/08/31/of-races-and-racism-the-1936-nazi-olympics-in-the-wolfsonian-library-collection/



HBO's documentary, now that's really something.

cemaphonic

(4,138 posts)
21. So is everybody who loves "O Fortuna" a Nazi sympathizer too?
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 07:11 PM
Jan 2014

Leni Riefenstahl (and Orff, and others) was a brilliant and influential artist. And she and a few others really pioneered the whole mass media approach to political pageantry. So if you've ever been to a big political rally, or watched the national party conventions, you've seen the work of somebody that was strongly influenced by her art. Hell, there are several visual quotes from "Triumph of the Will" throughout the Star Wars movies.

No great shock that someone in the political media business would be impressed and influenced by her. The Nazi insinuation is uncalled for, as he's not defending their ideology.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
30. No. But I do know a NAZI when I hear one speak.
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 10:35 PM
Jan 2014

Ailes' master's voice:



Sometime in the 1950s, US Senators Richard Milhous Nixon and Prescott Sheldon Bush enjoy a smile before performing together on stage.

Nixon-Bush NAZI Connection

REP

(21,691 posts)
24. Most serious students of film admire her techniques, not her content
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 09:25 PM
Jan 2014

I can't speak for Ailes, but her work is heartbreakingly beautiful - and heartbreaking that she used her profound gifts in the service of such great evil.

Analogies - valid ones at that - can be drawn between many political parties and politicians and the Nazis, but to claim such-and-such is exactly like Hitler or Goebbels or the Holocaust is to lose all credibility. And shame.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
32. Rupert Murdoch, who pays Ailes, helped lie America into war on Iraq.
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 10:51 PM
Jan 2014

Notice how no one on FOX news who said they'd eat their hat if there were no WMDs there has had to do so.



Rupert Murdoch called Tony Blair urging him not to delay the invasion of Iraq, former Number 10 communications chief Alastair Campbell has said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18468123



The main purpose of my posting isn't to criticize Leni Riefenstahl's filmmaking; it's to point out Roger Ailes, FOX and Murdoch making America into the Fourth Reich. Attacking and invading a country that had NOTHING to do with 9/11 is, oh, what's the word? NAZI.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
34. How Wall St. Bailed Out the Nazis
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 11:16 PM
Jan 2014

Last edited Sat Jan 18, 2014, 12:36 PM - Edit history (1)

Exclusive: The amoral calculations of Wall Street insiders guided Washington’s post-World War II decision to give many Nazi war criminals a pass if they’d help in the Cold War against the world’s socialist movements. CIA Director Allen Dulles was just one of the ex-investment-bank lawyers pushing the trade-off, writes Jerry Meldon.

By Jerry Meldon
ConsortiumNews.com, June 6, 2013

Near the end of World War II, the secret collaboration between U.S. spymaster Allen Dulles and Nazi SS officers enabled many German war criminals to escape prosecution and positioned them to fan the flames of post-war tensions between the former allies, the United States and the Soviet Union.

In that way, the Old Nazis — aided by Dulles and other ex-Wall Street lawyers – prevented a thorough denazification of Germany and put the Third Reich’s stamp on decades of atrocities during the long Cold War, spreading their brutal death-squad techniques to faraway places, especially Latin America.

Though the World War II generation has largely passed from the scene and the Cold War ended more than two decades ago, the consequences of Dulles’s actions in those final days of World War II are still reverberating in Germany.

One of the after-shocks was felt in a Munich courtroom just last month, with the opening of the trial of Beate Zschape, a 38-year-old neo-Nazi who is accused as an accessory to two bombings, 15 bank robberies and ten murders between 2000 and 2007 by the terrorist cell, the “National Socialist Underground” (NSU).

Two male fellow gang members reportedly took their own lives to avoid arrest before Ms. Zschape torched their hideout and turned herself in, in November 2011. But the back story is no less disturbing.

Nine of the NSU’s ten murder victims were immigrants, eight of them Turkish, one Greek. All ten were slain execution-style by the same Ceska Browning pistol. Yet it took more than a decade for police forces across Germany and the country’s domestic intelligence agency, the Bureau for the Protection of the Constitution (BFV), to connect the dots that would link the homicides to Germany’s xenophobic neo-Nazi netherworld.

Troubling Background

But the question is whether the missed connections resulted from incompetence or complicity. Last summer, following reports of the massive shredding of BFV’s files on right-wing extremists, the head of the agency tendered his resignation. Then in November, Der Spiegel reported:

“Four parliamentary committees (are) dissecting the work of law enforcement units … four department heads have already resigned. The government’s failures in fighting rightwing terrorists have plunged (the BFV) into the worst crisis since it was … set up in postwar Germany to … stop precisely the kind of extremist thinking that allowed the Nazis to rise to power in the 1930s. The discovery of the NSU and its crimes … has shaken the system to its core. …

“The more secrets come to light, the clearer it becomes how extensively intelligence agencies had infiltrated right-wing extremist groups. The trio of neo-Nazis that made up the NSU was surrounded by informants linked with (the BFV). … One of the big questions … is whether (the BFV) actually strengthened military right-wing groups.”

How the BFV worked at cross-purposes – coddling neo-Nazis while supposedly constraining them – is not entirely surprising in light of the circumstances surrounding the BFV’s birth.

West Germany’s first parliamentary elections in 1950 propelled into the chancellorship, Konrad Adenauer – a stalwart of the same party as that of current German chancellor Angela Merkel, the conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU).

When Adenauer named Dr. Hans Globke as his Secretary of State, the West German chancellor laid his cards on the table. Globke’s checkered past included wartime service at the helm of the Nazi Interior Ministry’s Office for Jewish Affairs. He drafted the infamous Nuremberg Laws for the Protection of German Blood and wrote the “Commentary” that provided the rationale for genocide.

The Interior Minister who signed the Nuremberg Laws, Dr. Wilhelm Frick, was sentenced to death at Nuremberg and hanged in October 1946. Globke would appear to have been culpable, too, having advanced his career during Nazi rule. His immediate supervisor, Interior Ministry Legal Counsel Bernard Loesner, resigned following Hitler’s decision to proceed with the extermination of European Jewry. When Loesner stepped down, Globke stepped up and left his fingerprints on the Final Solution.

But Globke was not only spared the fate of some colleagues tried at Nuremberg but emerged as an important figure in shaping post-war West Germany. In the 1961 book, The New Germany and the Old Nazis, T.H. Tetens, a German economist who worked for the U.S. War Crimes Commission, noted that Globke controlled every department of West Germany’s government in Bonn and “has done more than anyone else to re-Nazify West Germany.”

Ex-Nazis Everywhere

Der Spiegel revisited the same subject in a March 2012 article headlined “The Role Ex-Nazis Played in Early West Germany.” It reported that two dozen cabinet ministers, a president and a chancellor had belonged to Nazi organizations.

The article reported that historians were poring through voluminous BFV files “to determine how many of the Nazi dictatorship’s helpers hid under the coattails of the domestic intelligence service in the earlier years of the Federal Republic” and whether “the protection of the young, optimistic constitution (had been) in the hands of former National Socialists.”

Berlin historian Michael Wildt told Der Spiegel he was convinced that the postwar police and intelligence services had been riddled with former Nazis. Entire government departments and agencies, he said, “covered up, denied and repressed” their murky history – which evoked the following mea culpa from Der Spiegel’s staff:

“It’s a charge that doesn’t just apply to politicians and public servants, at least not in the early years of the republic. Senior members of the media, including at Spiegel, proved to be unwilling or incapable of sounding the alarm. This isn’t surprising, given the number of ex-Nazis who had forced their way into editorial offices.”

Author T.H. Tetens noted the irony in Dr. Globke, “(the) former key administrator in the Final Solution, (having) full control over the Office for the Protection of the Constitution.” Had he lived long enough, Tetens might have suggested that the BFV be renamed the Office for the Protection of Neo-Nazis.

Tetens might also feel vindicated by recently released CIA documents describing another branch of German intelligence that Globke’s controlled, the vast spy network run by Adolf Hitler’s former espionage czar, Lt. Gen. Reinhard Gehlen, a.k.a. the “Gehlen Organization,” a.k.a. “The Gehlen Org” or, simply, the “Org.”

Until 1955, when West Germany became a sovereign state, the Gehlen Org operated nominally under the aegis of James Critchfield of the CIA – which paid for the Org’s intelligence product. In reality, Gehlen ran the Org from its creation in 1946 until his retirement in 1968. In 1956, the Org officially became Germany’s foreign intelligence service and was renamed the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND).

Recently, the BND has been declassifying its files to come clean about its postwar origins. Documents released to date by both it and the CIA confirm suspicions that, at least in the Gehlen years, the Org/BND was little more than a U.S.-bankrolled “sheep-dipping” operation for fugitive Nazis.

The U.S. Connection

And this troubling history goes back even further to the days of World War II when the American intelligence agency, the Office of Strategic Services, fell under the control of a group of Wall Street lawyers who saw the world in the moral grays of business deals, measured less by right and wrong than by dollars and cents.

In the introduction to The Old Boys: The American Elite and the Origins of the CIA, author Burton Hersh identifies this common denominator: “In 1941 [the year of America’s entry into the war}, an extraordinarily nimble New York antitrust attorney named William ‘Wild Bill’ Donovan inveigled Franklin Roosevelt into underwriting the first encompassing intelligence instrumentality, the Office of the Coordinator of Information (OCI).

“Donovan’s profession was relevant, and it was no accident that all three [of The Old Boys’] load-bearing protagonists … Bill Donovan, Allen Dulles, Frank Wisner – achieved status in America by way of important Wall Street law partnerships. …

“The faction-ridden (OCI) gave way in 1942 to the (OSS). From then on a civilian-directed, operationally oriented spy service would top the wish list of America’s emerging power elite.”

These Wall-Street-lawyers-turned-spymasters brought their moral relativism and their ardor for aggressive capitalism to their World War II decision-making. Thus, they created an opening for Nazi war criminals who – after Germany’s crushing defeat at the Battle of Stalingrad in February 1943 – saw the writing on the wall regarding the future of the Third Reich and started hedging their bets.

As the war ground on for two more years, thousands of them took steps to evade post-war prosecutions, in part, by arranging protection from British and American officials. Most of those American officials served in U.S. intelligence agencies, either Army intelligence or the civilian-run OSS, the CIA’s forerunner.

OSS spymaster Allen Dulles played into this Nazi game in spring 1945, as Soviet, British and American forces were converging on Berlin. Dulles engaged in negotiations for the separate surrender of German forces in Italy with SS General Karl Wolff.

It apparently didn’t bother Dulles that Wolff, like many of his SS brethren, was a major war criminal. After September 1943, when Italy withdrew from the Axis and made peace with the Allies, Wolff’s troops committed an average of 165 war crimes a day executing his orders to liquidate the Italian resistance and terrorize its supporters.

(In 1964, a German judge sentenced Wolff to 15 years in prison for various war crimes, including ordering the deportation of 300,000 Jews from the Warsaw Ghetto to the Treblinka death camp.)

Pushing the Envelope

Initially, Dulles met with Wolff in defiance of orders from the dying President Franklin D. Roosevelt. The contacts also were behind the back of Soviet leader Josef Stalin, whose army had not only turned the tide of the war at Stalingrad but was still doing the bulk of the fighting. As Hitler’s Third Reich neared the end of its days, six out of every seven German divisions were lined up against the Red Army.

[font color="red"]Ultimately, Dulles secured authorization for what was code-named “Operation Sunrise,” but his determination to consummate a deal with Wolff didn’t stop at negotiations. When the Italian resistance set a trap for Gen. Wolff, Dulles saved him in what his OSS colleague (and future Supreme Court Justice) Arthur Goldberg described as treason.[/font color]

Moreover, when Soviet spies informed Stalin about the Dulles-Wolff assignations – which continued even as the Red Army suffered 300,000 casualties in a three-week period – the ensuing brouhaha played right into Hitler’s own game plan for survival.

Desperate to bolster the morale of his collapsing army, Der Fuehrer seized on the dissension opening in the ranks of the Allies. He gave his generals the following pep talk (as transcribed in Gabriel Kolko’s The Politics of War):

“The states which are now our enemies are the greatest opposites which exist on earth: ultra-capitalist states on one side and ultra-Marxist states on the other. … (Their) objectives diverge daily … and anyone … can see how these antitheses are increasing.

“If we can deal it (the alliance) a couple of heavy blows, this artificially constructed common front may collapse with a mighty thunderclap at any moment.”

Indeed, Wolff’s surrender overtures to Dulles might have been an attempt to both save his own skin and help Hitler drive a wedge into the “artificially constructed common front.”

The overall value of Dulles’s negotiations toward ending the war also was dubious. Less than one week before the general armistice ending the War in Europe, Dulles offered Nazi officers an advantageous deal, letting one million German combatants surrender to British and American forces on May 2, 1945, rather than to the Russians.

By surrendering to the British and Americans, most of these Germans not only avoided harsh treatment from the Russians but high-ranking Nazi officers benefited from the Truman administration’s quick pivot from its war-time alliance with Stalin to the Cold War confrontation with Moscow.

President Harry Truman’s staunchly anti-communist advisers, including Secretary of State James Byrnes, persuaded Truman to default on FDR’s commitment to a thorough postwar denazification of Germany, one in a series of decisions which enabled thousands of war criminals to avoid justice and permitted many to assume key positions in the new West German government.

Steering the Cold War

Yet, the use of Nazis by U.S. intelligence agencies had the additional dangerous effect of letting the Nazis influence how the United States perceived its erstwhile allies in Moscow. Washington formulated much of its early Cold War policies based on information about Moscow’s intentions that originated with Gehlen’s blemished agents.

These infamous Final Solution perpetrators included:

Willie Krichbaum, reportedly the Gehlen Org’s top recruiter. As the senior Gestapo official for southeastern Europe, Krichbaum managed the deportation of 300,000 Hungarian Jews for extermination.

Dr. Franz Six, former Dean of the Faculty of the University of Berlin and Adolph Eichmann’s immediate supervisor in the Ideological Combat branch of the SS security apparatus. In 1941, according to a report he wrote (which Christopher Simpson cites in Blowback: The First Account of America’s Recruitment of Nazis, and its Disastrous Effect on our Domestic and Foreign Policy), a Six-led SS commando group murdered 200 people in the Russian city of Smolensk, “among them 38 intellectual Jews.”

Wanted for war crimes, Six joined the Gehlen Org in 1946, but later was betrayed by a former SS officer working undercover for a US/UK dragnet for fugitive Nazis. In 1948, a U.S. military tribunal sentenced him to 20 years for war crimes including murder. After serving four, he was granted clemency by John McCloy, another Wall Street lawyer then serving as U.S. High Commissioner for Germany. Six then rejoined the Org.

–Gestapo captain Klaus Barbie, the infamous “Butcher of Lyon,” who escaped via the so-called “rat lines” to South America, where he then worked with right-wing intelligence services and organized neo-Nazi support for violent coups against elected and reformist governments, including the 1980 “cocaine coup” in Bolivia. After decades of spreading Nazi techniques across Latin America, Barbie was arrested and returned to France where he was given a life sentence in 1984 for ordering the deportation of 44 Jewish orphans to the death camp at Auschwitz

–SS Colonel Walter Rauff, who dodged postwar prosecution for developing mobile gas vans and administering their deployment to murder some 250,000 Eastern Europeans, mostly Jewish women and children. The appearance of Rauff’s name on the list is interesting because, as the Milan-based SS intelligence chief for northwestern Italy in 1945, he was Gen. Wolff’s liaison with Allen Dulles.

According to a 1984 Boston Globe Op-Ed by former U.S. Justice Department lawyer John Loftus, Rauff, after playing his part in Operation Sunrise, calmly turned himself in and told agents of the U.S. Army Counter-Intelligence Corps (CIC) that he had made surrender “arrangements (with) Mr. Dulles … to avoid further bloodshed in Milan.”

In Loftus’s words, Dulles “promised that none of the [surrender] negotiators would ever be prosecuted as war criminals. When Truman and Stalin discovered what Dulles (had been up to), there were outraged orders to call off Sunrise… (But) Dulles went ahead anyway, with Truman’s reluctant concurrence … (Dulles) kept his bargain … Rauff was released.”

Christopher Simpson confirms in Blowback that “each of the SS officers involved in Operation Sunrise (escaped) serious punishment … despite the fact that each was a major war criminal. A U.S. military tribunal tried (SS intelligence chief) Walter Schellenberg, who had helped trap and exterminate the Jews of France. He was convicted but freed shortly thereafter under a clemency (order) from the U.S. High Commissioner for Germany, John McCloy…

“Wolff was sentenced to ‘time served’ in a (British) denazification proceeding in 1949, then released … without … objection from … U.S. … authorities. Fifteen years later a West German court tried Wolff a second time. He was convicted of administering the murder of 300,000 persons, most of them Jews, and of overseeing SS participation in slave labor programs.”

Fleeing to Latin America

However, when the war ended, neither the Gehlen Org recruitment program nor Wall Street lawyer McCloy’s clemency rulings had begun, leaving tens of thousands of war criminals desperate to relocate in secure foreign outposts. SS Col. Rauff just happened to have the right connections to make that happen.

In Unholy Trinity: The Vatican, the Nazis and Soviet Intelligence, Australian investigative reporter, Mark Aarons, and former Justice Department lawyer Loftus reconstruct how Rauff became the mass murderers’ travel agent of choice.

Shortly after the Wolff/Dulles surrender negotiations were successfully completed on April 29, 1945, Rauff was arrested by unidentified Americans and delivered to an OSS unit led by James Angleton, the future CIA counter-intelligence chief.

From its description by Aarons and Loftus, Angleton’s team appears to have been tracking communists in the Italian underground – which would have been consistent with Washington’s postwar policy of backhanding leftwing resistance leaders, from European partisans to Vietnam’s Ho Chi Minh, irrespective of the magnitude of their contributions to the Allied cause.

Angleton’s team reportedly debriefed Rauff at length, probably about what he had learned when he carried out Wolff’s orders to liquidate the resistance. After Angleton’s team released him, Rauff established contact with his former SS colleague Friederich Schwendt – who was already on the payroll of the U.S. Army Counter-Intelligence Corps (CIC) and, like Rauff himself, was wanted for murder.

Schwendt was also a master counterfeiter. He laundered his product through banks, obtaining legitimate Western currency in return – enough, in fact, that over the next three years, Rauff was able to furnish thousands of fellow war criminals false identities and one-way tickets to South America.

Rauff himself wound up in Chile, where he later reportedly advised Gen. Augusto Pinochet’s ruthless secret police.

As for Allen Dulles, he became director of the CIA from 1953 to 1961. Under his leadership, the CIA overthrew democratically elected governments in Iran (1953) and Guatemala (1954) and replaced them with anti-democratic dictatorships. To this day, neither country has fully regained its democratic footing.

After the CIA’s disastrous 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion, President John F. Kennedy sacked Dulles, but Dulles did not wander far from the centers of power. After JFK’s assassination two years later, President Lyndon B. Johnson asked Dulles to serve on the Warren Commission’s investigation of Kennedy’s murder.

Dulles died on Jan. 29, 1969. However, even today, seven decades after Dulles opened the door to U.S. collaboration with Nazi war criminals, his decision continues to infect government actions around the globe.

Jerry Meldon, Associate Professor of Chemical Engineering at Tufts University in Medford, Massachusetts, is the English translator of The Great Heroin Coup, by Danish journalist Henrik Kruger, and an occasional contributor to ConsortiumNews.com.

SOURCE:

PS: It's a long, long green line of pea size dots going way back from Dulles to Prescott Bush to Nixon to Poppy Bush to Pruneface Reagan to Smirko Bush to the when becomes now.

PPS: FORUM HOSTS -- Please know ConsortiumNews has granted DU permission to post articles in full, as long as they accredited. The courtesy was extended when DU and DUers helped ConsortiumNews during a fund raiser almost eight years ago.
 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
29. Pfui
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 10:13 PM
Jan 2014

The NAZI's did many things that were wrong. They did many ground breaking things that were immediately copied and adapted by the winners in that particular war.

Just a few examples. Rocketry. Werner Von Braun was a genius. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-2 If it wasn't for this particular NAZI program we wouldn't have the space advances we have today including manned space flight, satellite communications, the Hubble, Voyager, and it goes on and on and on. Should we ban all rockets because the NAZI's were first? Does anyone who loves the space program secretly love the NAZI's?

Submarines. The NAZI's were the first with the modern Submarine Design, and were first with the Snorkel's. They were the first with the acoustically guided torpedoes. Because the NAZI's made horribly effective use of this technology should all submarines be banned? Are the researchers who go down to learn about the depths of the sea secretly NAZI's?

Jet aircraft. The NAZI's had the first production jet aircraft. Should we shut down all jet aircraft because the NAZI's were first?

Every movie that has won an Academy Award since World War II has had one shot where the camera was mounted low to give us a view gazing up at the subject. Look at the original Star Wars. The opening scene. The small Rebel ship running from the huge Imperial ship. It tells us everything we need to know about what is going on. The rebellion is small, underfunded, undermanned. The Imperial forces are hugely powerful, far more numerous, and have the long arm of power and authority on their side. Those camera tricks are right out of the lessons learned from Riefenstahl's directing. Should George Lucas be denounced as a secret NAZI admirer?

This year, Military men will study the tactics of Bedford Forrest during the Civil War. He was a brilliant Calvary Commander. One can admire his tactical doctrine without admiring his political leanings. Should we strike all references to Bedford Forrest from the instructional books? I mean, he did found the KKK after the war and all that right?

We can't study the tactics of Admiral Halsey, he swore, smoked, and encouraged womanizing. We can't learn from John Ford, he was a propagandist during the Second World War.

So tell me, who is pure enough for us to learn from? Faux News may be asinine propagandists in their own right. But the commonly accepted admiration of groundbreaking techniques does not a NAZI make. That is the assertion you are making, and if true, we must immediately ban all movies, and denounce all movie stars. Because I'm certain that Ron Howard took the technique and applied it to Apollo 13 when we gazed up past Tom Hanks at the enormous rocket. (I thought you'd like the combination of two of the NAZI developments into one thing)

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
40. Teachers take money for teaching, yet they have integrity.
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 04:50 PM
Jan 2014

Artists create and are copied, and that is honorable.

Scientists make discoveries that have dual-use, and civilization advances.

Why anyone would follow a NAZI is another issue, one that I wish Congress had asked Allen Dulles, specifically, about.



Just before his death, James Jesus Angleton, the legendary chief of counterintelligence at the Central Intelligence Agency, was a bitter man. He felt betrayed by the people he had worked for all his life. In the end, he had come to realize that they were never really interested in American ideals of "freedom" and "democracy." They really only wanted "absolute power."

Angleton told author Joseph Trento that the reason he had gotten the counterintelligence job in the first place was by agreeing not to submit "sixty of Allen Dulles' closest friends" to a polygraph test concerning their business deals with the Nazis. In his end-of-life despair, Angleton assumed that he would see all his old companions again "in hell."

-- Michael Hasty, "Paranoid Shift"

SOURCE (web archive of Online Journal article): https://web.archive.org/web/20040202191752/http://onlinejournal.com/Commentary/011004Hasty/011004hasty.html



Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch represent just one aspect of the NAZI connection to the undemocratic arts of propaganda. The role of propaganda in service of the secret government is another aspect that receives near-zero mention in the press or history books, yet while we feel its impact 24/7, most cannot see its influence all around us.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
39. Truly looking forward to adding it to my lie-bury.
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 04:36 PM
Jan 2014

Here's a recent interview with the author:

Gabriel Sherman: Roger Ailes Might Have Tried To Plant 'Misinformation' In My Book

The Huffington Post
Jan. 16, 2014

Gabriel Sherman, whose new book about Roger Ailes has caused a major stir in the media world, appeared on HuffPost Live on Thursday to discuss his own experiences covering the famously secretive and combative head of Fox News, and to address some of the controversies surrounding the book.

Sherman famously never got to speak directly to Ailes for the book, but he described two interactions he did have with him as "very combative."

"He treated me like I was a threat," Sherman said. "At one party at the Four Seasons he called me a 'harasser.'"

Sherman also discussed the possibility that he might have been "played" by Ailes during the process of interviewing sources for the book. (Some reviewers have professed their suspicions about his sourcing.) He noted several instances in which he was contacted by insiders that he says were allies of Ailes.

"I had to be very careful," he said. "I just knew that there was a lot of possibility for deception.... I knew that while Ailes wouldn't sit down with me, he was sending out these scouts throughout the process."

CONTINUED (w/video, etc Huffpo links etc)...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/16/sherman-ailes-misinformation_n_4612506.html

Roger is a pro.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
36. Hugenberg, more like it (Riefenstahl would never allow anything so garish)
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 02:46 AM
Jan 2014

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Hugenberg

(but seeing the direction the conversation has turned, I'll venture that the closest equivalent--a cynical, RW propagandist who's ruthless with the mise-en-scene--might be John Milius)

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
38. Vielen Dank, MisterP.
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 04:33 PM
Jan 2014

Had not known of Herr Hugenberg's Underholz.

Hugenberg had hoped to control Hitler and use him as his "tool&quot 1) but ultimately he had little to no influence in the Third Reich.


Sounds like a familiar pattern, money-power-money-power.

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
41. The recruitment of NAZIS by various agencies and organizations of The United States of America isn't
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 05:37 PM
Jan 2014

conspiracy theory-it's a fact that leads to much theorizing. Fox and associates have functioned like the SS in the corruption/degeneration of US MSM into little more than a perception management/information warfare/PSYOP network. We, the people were targeted decades ago by fascists of the uberrich elite in a real criminal conspiracy that the "leaders of the nation" have continually refused to prosecute despite investigations that revealed much conspiracy. A prime example was taking "impeachment" (of the BFEE) off the table.

The lack of prosecution and reform by "our leaders" has led to the current rampage of deprivation of rights under color of law being called "security", "freedom" and other bs. that the liars of the Third Reich pioneered in their use of technology, (especially using some of those artful camera angles of Leni, propaganda techniques taken from Goebbels-21st century headlines/talking points that came from the Volkischer Beobachter, etc)

Lots of shit comes out of those "big fans" of NAZIS wherever they are, doesn't it?

Btw, John Rendon is a perception management professional, the Rendon Group introduced US to then Sen. Obama when "handling" the "presentation" of the 2004 DNC.
Perception Management
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perception_management

K&R.

Octafish

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42. Perception Management™ at Work
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 05:58 PM
Jan 2014


Nayirah al-Ṣabaḥ (Arabic: نيره الصباح‎ , called “Nurse Nayirah” in the media, was a fifteen-year-old Kuwaiti girl, who alleged that she had witnessed the murder of infant children by Iraqi soldiers in Kuwait, in verbal testimony to the U.S. Congress, in the run up to the 1991 Gulf War. Her testimony, which was regarded as credible at the time, has since come to be regarded as wartime propaganda. The public relations firm Hill & Knowlton, which was in the employ of Citizens for a Free Kuwait, had arranged the testimony. Nayirah’s testimony was widely publicized. Hill & Knowlton, which had filmed the hearing, sent out a video news release to Medialink, a firm which served about 700 television stations in the United States.Her father was the Kuwaiti ambassador to the USA; he is sitting right next to her during the hearing but he pretends not to know her.

--- The Mother of all Lies.

Next thing we knew, we were at war in Iraq. The first time. Then, 12 years later, presto chango Smirko.
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