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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 08:53 AM Jan 2014

Player in NJ Bridge Scandal Will Talk for Immunity

Player in NJ Bridge Scandal Will Talk for Immunity

By ANGELA DELLI SANTI and DAVID PORTER Associated Press

The former appointee of Gov. Chris Christie who directed lane closures that backed up traffic for hours in one New Jersey town is reiterating that he is ready to share more information if he can be granted immunity from prosecution.

Meanwhile, 17 other people and three organizations are being issued subpoenas as lawmakers try to learn exactly how the September lane closures on an approach to the George Washington Bridge from the community of Fort Lee happened and why.

David Wildstein, whom Christie appointed to a position in the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, has already supplied a legislative committee with the most damning documents in the case so far, including an email from a Christie aide saying it was "time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee," a sign that the lane-closing plot was hatched by Christie's aides as a political vendetta.

Wildstein's lawyer Alan Zegas told The Associated Press on Friday that there has not been any offer of immunity from the U.S. Attorney's Office, which is reviewing the matter. "If he has immunity from the relevant entities, he'll talk," Zegas said.

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/player-nj-bridge-scandal-talk-immunity-21567802

CNN exclusive: Port Authority job created for Christie ally, source says
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024343670
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Player in NJ Bridge Scandal Will Talk for Immunity (Original Post) ProSense Jan 2014 OP
Do not ask for whom the weasel squeals, Governor Berlum Jan 2014 #1
Aha GETTINGTIRED Jan 2014 #2
LOL - you know I know a few Wildsteins malaise Jan 2014 #3
interesting take. When you said "hence the made up post at the PA" at Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2014 #5
No the CNN exclusive that his position at the Port Authority malaise Jan 2014 #9
Sounds like adieu Jan 2014 #43
Yep he's between a rock and a hard place malaise Jan 2014 #49
As Nick Acocella pointed out to Kornacki this am, Wildstein has 15 years of emails and messages FarCenter Jan 2014 #47
LOL - note when I wrote this malaise Jan 2014 #48
Now, Berlum, let's not go around insulting actual, furry, 4-legged weasels catbyte Jan 2014 #7
First come, first serverd! vlyons Jan 2014 #4
Boy, this title by ABC could be taken two ways. "Will Talk"..meaning that it is Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2014 #6
but what will he say? "I did it, I'm sorry, the gov didn't know. There, I talked. Thanks for the Voice for Peace Jan 2014 #16
They probably won't give him immunity unless he can implicate Christie ? Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2014 #19
I sure hope you are right Voice for Peace Jan 2014 #20
Usually when they give immunity there are caveats rpannier Jan 2014 #35
I'm worried about that myself hibbing Jan 2014 #52
That gentleman would be well advised to stay the Hell out of small planes. 11 Bravo Jan 2014 #8
I was just thinking that. cntrygrl Jan 2014 #33
Put him in jail. He will talk anyway. He got instruction for "traffic problems" and jtuck004 Jan 2014 #10
DING DING DING! Jtuck004, you're our grand prize winner! rocktivity Jan 2014 #46
New Rules Beach Rat Jan 2014 #11
Just like someone posted on another thread watoos Jan 2014 #12
He can't ProSense Jan 2014 #14
they wouldn't immunize him if the was the mastermind. the price of immunity geek tragedy Jan 2014 #15
I guess what you do is talk to him off the record to see what he has. iandhr Jan 2014 #13
Hope he doesn't ride across any small bridges. n/t eggplant Jan 2014 #17
I'm sorry, I can't help myself. It's winter and with cabin fever and all the bad news mountain grammy Jan 2014 #18
Some here. I'll make another pot of popcorn! FSogol Jan 2014 #21
No worries, grammy.. I'm Cha Jan 2014 #36
And, I'll say it again! No worries, grammy.. I'm Cha Jan 2014 #36
I live in Tex, we can go out every now and then and I'm loving every second of this uponit7771 Jan 2014 #38
he was so smart warrior1 Jan 2014 #22
This ProSense Jan 2014 #23
And so it begins.... louis-t Jan 2014 #24
A question was ask by Rachel Maddow last night warrior1 Jan 2014 #25
Looks like we have a rat Dopers_Greed Jan 2014 #26
That certainly has happened to potential witnesses in other high profile cases. another_liberal Jan 2014 #30
Most immunity offers require the immunized to 'answer truthfully'. Shrike47 Jan 2014 #27
........ DainBramaged Jan 2014 #28
Christie's cheese is safe at least. another_liberal Jan 2014 #29
I love the sound of canary in the morning. lapislzi Jan 2014 #31
He is probably not VA_Jill Jan 2014 #32
I think immunity should be off the table unless cstanleytech Jan 2014 #34
Right now ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #39
Some friend this guy turned out to be! Not Sure Jan 2014 #40
How about 20 years in prison? adieu Jan 2014 #41
Wait! me b zola Jan 2014 #42
I predict an unfortunate traffic accident. Faygo Kid Jan 2014 #44
The first person who talks gets the best deal Gothmog Jan 2014 #45
If he is granted immunity, can't he just assume the blame, NorthCarolina Jan 2014 #50
They need to flip another person. If they rely on him, alone, he could fall on his MADem Jan 2014 #51

malaise

(268,724 posts)
3. LOL - you know I know a few Wildsteins
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 09:36 AM
Jan 2014

They are usually the smartest guys in their class - nerdy and geeky, but always working hard not to have a nerdy image. They usually have another very important characteristic - loyalty to school and team. They also like being around people they deem important or 'valuable'.

So I can see him as a youngster not just as the scorer for the school's baseball team but as a person capable of modernizing the collection and use of statistics not only for the team but also for the team's opponents. The thing about most of these guys is they assess their own importance based on how their perceived 'important connections' need them.
They never realize their own importance in the scheme of things.

The problem for Christie and the rest of the gang is that geeky nerds like Wildstein keep everything on files, not because they are necessarily vindictive but because they are meticulous and love to keep records of all achievements.

I'm betting he did a lot of statistical work for more than a few of the gang of the subpoena(d). There is evidence that using his pseudonym he promoted some of the gang (for example he recommended Schuber for Commissioner). I'm betting they will unearth lots of planted articles promoting Christie while dissing anyone outside of the gang.

He must have been very useful hence the nice made up post at the PA - but he was merely their tool.

Christie's nasty comments distancing himself from him should be the last straw but you never know with these tools. In reality he may never have to sing - just handing over all the paperwork (on hard or soft copies) could sink the goons.

He's going to be every other member of the gang's whipping stick because he was Christie's tool, but I'm betting he has the dirt on everyone (and on paper). This sure is his moment to discover his importance.

That said I hope he wrote his will.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
5. interesting take. When you said "hence the made up post at the PA" at
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 09:44 AM
Jan 2014

first, I thought you meant "made up email post".

malaise

(268,724 posts)
9. No the CNN exclusive that his position at the Port Authority
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 10:10 AM
Jan 2014

was 'made up' on the orders of the governor's office.

 

adieu

(1,009 posts)
43. Sounds like
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 01:02 PM
Jan 2014

Last edited Sun Jan 19, 2014, 07:19 PM - Edit history (1)

talking or not, Wildstein's safest place to be for the rest of his life may be Club Fed. I think if he were to live free, he's a marked man. He'll be looking over his shoulders for the rest of his life. Every drink, every bite of food, every taxi ride, every time he unlocks a door, he has to worry whether that would be the last time.

I'm not saying the Christie gang is a mafia group willing to put the hit on a person. I'm saying that when big money's on the line, things usually go bad for folks like Wildstein: important enough to know things, yet not important enough to be untouchable.

If he's smart, he'll sing without demand for clemency and just ask to be placed in a safe prison. Maybe one in Montana or California or New Mexico.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
47. As Nick Acocella pointed out to Kornacki this am, Wildstein has 15 years of emails and messages
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 02:44 PM
Jan 2014

He' the kind of guy who would save everything that he received or sent during his years as "Wally Edge" running the web site that became PolitickerNJ.com.

catbyte

(34,341 posts)
7. Now, Berlum, let's not go around insulting actual, furry, 4-legged weasels
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 09:49 AM
Jan 2014

After all, they are much nobler creatures than anything currently calling him/herself a Christie Crony, past or present!

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
4. First come, first serverd!
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 09:40 AM
Jan 2014

Isn't that the way it plays out on "Law and Order," when the prosecutor has several folks with the info to get a conviction? First one to turn snitch and give state's evidence gets the best immunity deal. I'm sorry, I can't help it, but I see Christie as a Capo-wannabe, who has attracted and appointed some power-hungry goons to do his bidding. Not a remarkable man at all. Very common.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
6. Boy, this title by ABC could be taken two ways. "Will Talk"..meaning that it is
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 09:46 AM
Jan 2014

actually going to happen. Vs. "Will Talk" if someone grants me immunity.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
16. but what will he say? "I did it, I'm sorry, the gov didn't know. There, I talked. Thanks for the
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 11:13 AM
Jan 2014

immunity. the end."

rpannier

(24,328 posts)
35. Usually when they give immunity there are caveats
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 01:05 AM
Jan 2014

things like if you're lying the deal is off, if you leave out significant details, etc
In addition, they are almost always required to lay out for the prosecution what they have to offer before the deal is signed.

hibbing

(10,095 posts)
52. I'm worried about that myself
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 01:22 AM
Jan 2014

He will testify, give the governor plausible deniability and that will be it.

Peace

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
10. Put him in jail. He will talk anyway. He got instruction for "traffic problems" and
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 10:19 AM
Jan 2014

followed them?

Seriously?



rocktivity

(44,572 posts)
46. DING DING DING! Jtuck004, you're our grand prize winner!
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 02:36 PM
Jan 2014

Last edited Fri May 16, 2014, 07:04 PM - Edit history (6)

Put him in jail. He will talk anyway...

That's what I say! Don't give Wildstein shit -- in fact, we don't need ANYONE'S testimony against "Governor Soprano"!

Why? Because of the phone call Christie made to his New York counterpart Andrew Cuomo in December, in which he complained that someone at the Port Authority was being too nosy about the Ft. Lee lane closures. It means that Christie knew that there had been no traffic study, which makes him part of the coverup, which nails him on obstruction.

The prosecution has already got Christie in their back pockets -- they should just tell Wildstein and Kelly to either talk or s(h)it in jail!


rocktivity

Beach Rat

(273 posts)
11. New Rules
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 10:20 AM
Jan 2014


All future posts about Christie must refer to involved administration individuals by their DU assigned nicknames! See here for reference:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024345910
 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
12. Just like someone posted on another thread
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 10:37 AM
Jan 2014

Be Careful giving him immunity and then he admits to everything, case closed.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
14. He can't
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 10:55 AM
Jan 2014

"Be Careful giving him immunity and then he admits to everything, case closed."

His "got it" response means he wasn't the person who authorized it. He doesn't have that kind of authority.



 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
15. they wouldn't immunize him if the was the mastermind. the price of immunity
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 10:57 AM
Jan 2014

is ratting out bigger capos

mountain grammy

(26,598 posts)
18. I'm sorry, I can't help myself. It's winter and with cabin fever and all the bad news
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 11:32 AM
Jan 2014

I'm enjoying every corrupt second of this story.

Hold off on the immunity. These arrogant clowns probably left enough evidence lying around that their testimony may not be necessary. Let them all go to prison!!!

Cha

(296,878 posts)
36. No worries, grammy.. I'm
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 04:07 AM
Jan 2014

in Hawai'i.. no cabin fever. And, I'm enjoying every Corrupt Bully Busting second of this massively snarled snake pit of a classic WhodoneIT!

Cha

(296,878 posts)
36. And, I'll say it again! No worries, grammy.. I'm
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 04:07 AM
Jan 2014

in Hawai'i.. no cabin fever. And, I'm enjoying every Corrupt Bully Busting second of this massively snarled snake pit of a classic WhodoneIT!

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
23. This
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 12:27 PM
Jan 2014

"he was so smart he didn't think they would get caught?"

...shows he at least knew he was doing something wrong, a clear cover-his-ass move:

It was Bridget Kelly

Josh Marshall

There's been a mystery about just who David Wildstein was texting with in those now infamous texts where he says "I feel badly about the kids ... I guess" and the mystery person replies "They are the children of Buono voters." Well, it was Bridget Kelly.

Ryan Lizza I believe incontrovertibly proves that here.



Ryan Lizza @RyanLizza
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Here's the evidence for Bridget Kelly being the person on the other end of these infamous Wildstein texts:
4:00 PM - 11 Jan 2014

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What remains unclear to me is this: just how did a seemingly real time screen capture end up in this document dump? Unless I'm not thinking this through properly (a real possibility) there's no way that image, with battery and connectivity meters showing, comes into being unless you screen cap it at the time or soon after it happens. Since it identifies Kelly as the counter-texter, the phone is clearly Wildstein's and also certainly he made the screen cap. But why?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/bridget-kelly-was-the-texter

This was likely among documents provided by Wildstein's lawyers:

“Secondly, the documents submitted by David Wildstein and his attorney are documents they deemed specifically related to the lane closures at the George Washington Bridge as per our subpoena request. Included in these documents is a reference to what appears to be a meeting between Port Authority Chairman David Samson and the governor one week before Bridget Kelly issued the order to cause ‘traffic problems’ in Fort Lee. By submitting these documents, Mr. Wildstein is telling us they are related to the lane closures in some way. The question that demands answering is how?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/wisniewski_documents_new_questions


warrior1

(12,325 posts)
25. A question was ask by Rachel Maddow last night
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 12:48 PM
Jan 2014

to an NJ rep, that will they be able to assure the information hasn't been destroyed all ready.

Great question, but I'm thinking that the 20 people and org., that have been subpoena may have been in the all ready disclosed documents. Maybe how they came up with the names. So the Rep. said something to the fact that coverups are more damaging.

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
26. Looks like we have a rat
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 01:04 PM
Jan 2014

This guy better be careful, he may be sleeping with the fishes in the Hudson River soon

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
30. That certainly has happened to potential witnesses in other high profile cases.
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 02:20 PM
Jan 2014

It has happened especially often in other cases where a great deal is at stake.

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
27. Most immunity offers require the immunized to 'answer truthfully'.
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 01:31 PM
Jan 2014

They are not going to give him immunity blindly.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
29. Christie's cheese is safe at least.
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 02:17 PM
Jan 2014

The rats are clearing out fast.

Now the rush to out squeal the others begins.

VA_Jill

(9,945 posts)
32. He is probably not
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 05:22 PM
Jan 2014

the guy you want to immunize. I'm pretty sure there is a John Dean in there somewhere. This guy is more of a Haldeman or Ehrlichman, one of the ones you want to hang.

cstanleytech

(26,248 posts)
34. I think immunity should be off the table unless
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 07:59 PM
Jan 2014

he has truly damning evidence that cannot be refuted that proves the governor was aware of it and approved of it beforehand and or tried to cover it up.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
39. Right now ...
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 10:53 AM
Jan 2014

Wildstein's butt is tightening considerably. With Kornaki's coverage and revelations, the investigators might not need to provide him immunity ... they would likely to confirm what happened from much lower level, and criminally uninvolved, staffers and/or documents.

Not looking good for Wildstein. But for sure ... he should avoid small plane travel and/or late night coffee runs.

me b zola

(19,053 posts)
42. Wait!
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 04:25 AM
Jan 2014

I know this game (have seen it played a time or two). Conspirator will get immunity to "talk" but will give total bullshite and will not be prosecuted for clear and outlandish lies. Party hacks of all flavors will sing, "see, nothing at all to see here".

Just like nobody really talks about the mafia, nobody will really talk about the corruption in politics, at least not at the level where they can actually bring down the big dawgs.

Faygo Kid

(21,478 posts)
44. I predict an unfortunate traffic accident.
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 01:06 PM
Jan 2014

Except even Christie can't kill off all who are about to sing.

Gothmog

(144,945 posts)
45. The first person who talks gets the best deal
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 01:30 PM
Jan 2014

We are watching a game with well understood rules. Here Wildstein is showing that he knows to the rules of this game which is why he released just enough information to attempt to convince the relevant officials that they need to give him immunity.

There are two types of immunity that can come into play. The first type is transactional immunity where the witness gets a complete walk on the crime. This situation would mean that New Jersey, New York and the DOJ will have to agree. I do not see this happening for some time. Here being the first to make a deal gets the best deal. Wildstein wants to be first to cut a deal.

The other type of immunity is use immunity which means that the testimony cannot be used against the witness. This includes any evidence discovered due to the testimony. The game here is to disclose everything and the claim that any evidence used at trial is fruit of the poisoned tree or is based on the testimony. This is how Oliver North got off.

Here it is clear that Wildstein wants to be the first in line so that he can get the best deal.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
50. If he is granted immunity, can't he just assume the blame,
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 04:22 PM
Jan 2014

a scapegoat protecting Christie, and remain free from the prospect of litigation?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
51. They need to flip another person. If they rely on him, alone, he could fall on his
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 09:47 PM
Jan 2014

sword after incriminating only himself. Then Christie would reward him by getting him a job with one of his pals.....

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