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By ANGELA DELLI SANTI and DAVID PORTER Associated Press
The former appointee of Gov. Chris Christie who directed lane closures that backed up traffic for hours in one New Jersey town is reiterating that he is ready to share more information if he can be granted immunity from prosecution.
Meanwhile, 17 other people and three organizations are being issued subpoenas as lawmakers try to learn exactly how the September lane closures on an approach to the George Washington Bridge from the community of Fort Lee happened and why.
David Wildstein, whom Christie appointed to a position in the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, has already supplied a legislative committee with the most damning documents in the case so far, including an email from a Christie aide saying it was "time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee," a sign that the lane-closing plot was hatched by Christie's aides as a political vendetta.
Wildstein's lawyer Alan Zegas told The Associated Press on Friday that there has not been any offer of immunity from the U.S. Attorney's Office, which is reviewing the matter. "If he has immunity from the relevant entities, he'll talk," Zegas said.
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/player-nj-bridge-scandal-talk-immunity-21567802
CNN exclusive: Port Authority job created for Christie ally, source says
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024343670
Berlum
(7,044 posts)It squeals for thee.
Love this....
malaise
(268,724 posts)They are usually the smartest guys in their class - nerdy and geeky, but always working hard not to have a nerdy image. They usually have another very important characteristic - loyalty to school and team. They also like being around people they deem important or 'valuable'.
So I can see him as a youngster not just as the scorer for the school's baseball team but as a person capable of modernizing the collection and use of statistics not only for the team but also for the team's opponents. The thing about most of these guys is they assess their own importance based on how their perceived 'important connections' need them.
They never realize their own importance in the scheme of things.
The problem for Christie and the rest of the gang is that geeky nerds like Wildstein keep everything on files, not because they are necessarily vindictive but because they are meticulous and love to keep records of all achievements.
I'm betting he did a lot of statistical work for more than a few of the gang of the subpoena(d). There is evidence that using his pseudonym he promoted some of the gang (for example he recommended Schuber for Commissioner). I'm betting they will unearth lots of planted articles promoting Christie while dissing anyone outside of the gang.
He must have been very useful hence the nice made up post at the PA - but he was merely their tool.
Christie's nasty comments distancing himself from him should be the last straw but you never know with these tools. In reality he may never have to sing - just handing over all the paperwork (on hard or soft copies) could sink the goons.
He's going to be every other member of the gang's whipping stick because he was Christie's tool, but I'm betting he has the dirt on everyone (and on paper). This sure is his moment to discover his importance.
That said I hope he wrote his will.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)first, I thought you meant "made up email post".
malaise
(268,724 posts)was 'made up' on the orders of the governor's office.
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talking or not, Wildstein's safest place to be for the rest of his life may be Club Fed. I think if he were to live free, he's a marked man. He'll be looking over his shoulders for the rest of his life. Every drink, every bite of food, every taxi ride, every time he unlocks a door, he has to worry whether that would be the last time.
I'm not saying the Christie gang is a mafia group willing to put the hit on a person. I'm saying that when big money's on the line, things usually go bad for folks like Wildstein: important enough to know things, yet not important enough to be untouchable.
If he's smart, he'll sing without demand for clemency and just ask to be placed in a safe prison. Maybe one in Montana or California or New Mexico.
malaise
(268,724 posts)about now
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)He' the kind of guy who would save everything that he received or sent during his years as "Wally Edge" running the web site that became PolitickerNJ.com.
malaise
(268,724 posts)I know the type
catbyte
(34,341 posts)After all, they are much nobler creatures than anything currently calling him/herself a Christie Crony, past or present!
vlyons
(10,252 posts)Isn't that the way it plays out on "Law and Order," when the prosecutor has several folks with the info to get a conviction? First one to turn snitch and give state's evidence gets the best immunity deal. I'm sorry, I can't help it, but I see Christie as a Capo-wannabe, who has attracted and appointed some power-hungry goons to do his bidding. Not a remarkable man at all. Very common.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)actually going to happen. Vs. "Will Talk" if someone grants me immunity.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)immunity. the end."
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)can you imagine all the evil minds at work around
this whole thing?
rpannier
(24,328 posts)things like if you're lying the deal is off, if you leave out significant details, etc
In addition, they are almost always required to lay out for the prosecution what they have to offer before the deal is signed.
hibbing
(10,095 posts)He will testify, give the governor plausible deniability and that will be it.
Peace
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)cntrygrl
(356 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)followed them?
Seriously?
rocktivity
(44,572 posts)Last edited Fri May 16, 2014, 07:04 PM - Edit history (6)
Put him in jail. He will talk anyway...That's what I say! Don't give Wildstein shit -- in fact, we don't need ANYONE'S testimony against "Governor Soprano"!
Why? Because of the phone call Christie made to his New York counterpart Andrew Cuomo in December, in which he complained that someone at the Port Authority was being too nosy about the Ft. Lee lane closures. It means that Christie knew that there had been no traffic study, which makes him part of the coverup, which nails him on obstruction.
The prosecution has already got Christie in their back pockets -- they should just tell Wildstein and Kelly to either talk or s(h)it in jail!
rocktivity
Beach Rat
(273 posts)All future posts about Christie must refer to involved administration individuals by their DU assigned nicknames! See here for reference:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024345910
watoos
(7,142 posts)Be Careful giving him immunity and then he admits to everything, case closed.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Be Careful giving him immunity and then he admits to everything, case closed."
His "got it" response means he wasn't the person who authorized it. He doesn't have that kind of authority.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)is ratting out bigger capos
iandhr
(6,852 posts)eggplant
(3,909 posts)mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)I'm enjoying every corrupt second of this story.
Hold off on the immunity. These arrogant clowns probably left enough evidence lying around that their testimony may not be necessary. Let them all go to prison!!!
FSogol
(45,453 posts)Cha
(296,878 posts)in Hawai'i.. no cabin fever. And, I'm enjoying every Corrupt Bully Busting second of this massively snarled snake pit of a classic WhodoneIT!
Cha
(296,878 posts)in Hawai'i.. no cabin fever. And, I'm enjoying every Corrupt Bully Busting second of this massively snarled snake pit of a classic WhodoneIT!
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)warrior1
(12,325 posts)he didn't think they would get caught?
"he was so smart he didn't think they would get caught?"
...shows he at least knew he was doing something wrong, a clear cover-his-ass move:
Josh Marshall
There's been a mystery about just who David Wildstein was texting with in those now infamous texts where he says "I feel badly about the kids ... I guess" and the mystery person replies "They are the children of Buono voters." Well, it was Bridget Kelly.
Ryan Lizza I believe incontrovertibly proves that here.
Ryan Lizza @RyanLizza
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Here's the evidence for Bridget Kelly being the person on the other end of these infamous Wildstein texts:
4:00 PM - 11 Jan 2014
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What remains unclear to me is this: just how did a seemingly real time screen capture end up in this document dump? Unless I'm not thinking this through properly (a real possibility) there's no way that image, with battery and connectivity meters showing, comes into being unless you screen cap it at the time or soon after it happens. Since it identifies Kelly as the counter-texter, the phone is clearly Wildstein's and also certainly he made the screen cap. But why?
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/bridget-kelly-was-the-texter
This was likely among documents provided by Wildstein's lawyers:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/wisniewski_documents_new_questions
louis-t
(23,273 posts)A lot of people here saw this coming, including me.
warrior1
(12,325 posts)to an NJ rep, that will they be able to assure the information hasn't been destroyed all ready.
Great question, but I'm thinking that the 20 people and org., that have been subpoena may have been in the all ready disclosed documents. Maybe how they came up with the names. So the Rep. said something to the fact that coverups are more damaging.
Dopers_Greed
(2,640 posts)This guy better be careful, he may be sleeping with the fishes in the Hudson River soon
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)It has happened especially often in other cases where a great deal is at stake.
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)They are not going to give him immunity blindly.
DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)another_liberal
(8,821 posts)The rats are clearing out fast.
Now the rush to out squeal the others begins.
lapislzi
(5,762 posts)Dese turkeys is roasted!
VA_Jill
(9,945 posts)the guy you want to immunize. I'm pretty sure there is a John Dean in there somewhere. This guy is more of a Haldeman or Ehrlichman, one of the ones you want to hang.
cstanleytech
(26,248 posts)he has truly damning evidence that cannot be refuted that proves the governor was aware of it and approved of it beforehand and or tried to cover it up.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Wildstein's butt is tightening considerably. With Kornaki's coverage and revelations, the investigators might not need to provide him immunity ... they would likely to confirm what happened from much lower level, and criminally uninvolved, staffers and/or documents.
Not looking good for Wildstein. But for sure ... he should avoid small plane travel and/or late night coffee runs.
Not Sure
(735 posts)I hope Christie's goose is cooked.
adieu
(1,009 posts)That might also make him talk.
me b zola
(19,053 posts)I know this game (have seen it played a time or two). Conspirator will get immunity to "talk" but will give total bullshite and will not be prosecuted for clear and outlandish lies. Party hacks of all flavors will sing, "see, nothing at all to see here".
Just like nobody really talks about the mafia, nobody will really talk about the corruption in politics, at least not at the level where they can actually bring down the big dawgs.
Faygo Kid
(21,478 posts)Except even Christie can't kill off all who are about to sing.
Gothmog
(144,945 posts)We are watching a game with well understood rules. Here Wildstein is showing that he knows to the rules of this game which is why he released just enough information to attempt to convince the relevant officials that they need to give him immunity.
There are two types of immunity that can come into play. The first type is transactional immunity where the witness gets a complete walk on the crime. This situation would mean that New Jersey, New York and the DOJ will have to agree. I do not see this happening for some time. Here being the first to make a deal gets the best deal. Wildstein wants to be first to cut a deal.
The other type of immunity is use immunity which means that the testimony cannot be used against the witness. This includes any evidence discovered due to the testimony. The game here is to disclose everything and the claim that any evidence used at trial is fruit of the poisoned tree or is based on the testimony. This is how Oliver North got off.
Here it is clear that Wildstein wants to be the first in line so that he can get the best deal.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)a scapegoat protecting Christie, and remain free from the prospect of litigation?
MADem
(135,425 posts)sword after incriminating only himself. Then Christie would reward him by getting him a job with one of his pals.....