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Mosby

(16,295 posts)
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 05:05 PM Jan 2014

Al Jazeera: Why Can’t Arab Armies Be More Humane, Like Israel?

An Al Jazeera Arabic anchor recently asked his audience why Arab armies, and, in particular, the regime of Bashar al-Assad, in Syria, can’t behave more humanely towards civilians, like the Israeli and French armies do?

In a clip uploaded to YouTube this week and flagged by Mideast Media Analyst Tom Gross, the anchor asks, “Why don’t they learn from the Israeli army which tries, through great efforts, to avoid shelling areas populated by civilians in Lebanon and Palestine? Didn’t Hezbollah take shelter in areas populated by civilians because it knows that Israeli Air Force doesn’t bomb those areas? Why doesn’t the Syrian army respect premises of universities, schools or inhabited neighborhoods? Why does it shell even the areas of its supporters?”

“I will also give you the example of France. All Syrians remember that the French forces, when they occupied Syria tried to avoid, when rebels entered mosques or schools, they stopped. The people would prefer that France come back! For God’s sake, if a referendum were to be held… if people were to be asked, who would you prefer the current regime or the French, I swear by God they would have preferred the French.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/01/17/al-jazeera-host-asks-why-cant-arab-armies-be-more-humane-like-israel-video/

Great question.

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Al Jazeera: Why Can’t Arab Armies Be More Humane, Like Israel? (Original Post) Mosby Jan 2014 OP
This, Sir, Is Going To Be Fun.... The Magistrate Jan 2014 #1
what this guy said AngryAmish Jan 2014 #4
It's not a great question malaise Jan 2014 #2
+++1,000 nt kelliekat44 Jan 2014 #10
A veiwing of "The Battle of Algiers," might provide some perspective 1000words Jan 2014 #15
He should read about the Lebanon War LittleBlue Jan 2014 #3
Uh huh Mosby Jan 2014 #6
The amount of violence someone is willing to commit LittleBlue Jan 2014 #7
All you're doing is making excuses Mosby Jan 2014 #8
This isn't a theory LittleBlue Jan 2014 #11
I wasn't referring to the "samson option" with my comment of a "disgusting little theory". Mosby Jan 2014 #14
The "Samson Option" is a hypothetical described by commentators, not policy WatermelonRat Jan 2014 #16
Oh, B.S. former9thward Jan 2014 #12
This guy apparently has some gaps in his memory, like the 2006 Israel-Lebanon war. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #5
The anchor is something that rhymes with that. dipsydoodle Jan 2014 #9
why can't they ALL stop acting like a bunch of assholes? Skittles Jan 2014 #13

malaise

(268,844 posts)
2. It's not a great question
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 05:18 PM
Jan 2014

It only shows the ignorance of the journalist.
He/she might read some history. Maybe he should interview some Palestinian parents or some of the elders in what was once French Africa or even Vietnam.

 

1000words

(7,051 posts)
15. A veiwing of "The Battle of Algiers," might provide some perspective
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 06:34 PM
Jan 2014

Agreed. The journalist is a hack.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
3. He should read about the Lebanon War
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 05:23 PM
Jan 2014

where entire apartment complexes were leveled by Israel on the mere suspicion that Yasser Arafat was inside. He wasn't, but of course the ones who paid for that mistake were the innocent civilians.

There is nothing remotely humane about war, that's a fallacy. It's only a question of how much brutality you're willing to inflict.

Mosby

(16,295 posts)
6. Uh huh
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 05:39 PM
Jan 2014

any comment about Arab violence in the ME?

The Assad regime has killed 125,000 people or so, the Egyptian military has killed 100s of innocent protestors including Africans trying to flee violence in their home countries, there are suicide bombers every day in Iraq and Afghanistan killing hundreds of innocent worshipers and shoppers, and the Kuwaitis have killed dozens in an effort to stop the protests.

Oh and 13 Palestinians died last year in their violent struggle against Israel.

eta - why don't you look up Nahr al Bared, if you want to read about completely unrestrained RECENT violence meted out on innocent Palestinians.

let me help you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Lebanon_conflict
http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/moe-ali-nayel/video-nahr-al-bared-refugee-camp-residents-describe-life-under-lebanese-army




 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
7. The amount of violence someone is willing to commit
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 05:44 PM
Jan 2014

is in proportion to the level of threat they feel. Assad feels an existential threat, therefore he is willing to commit a nearly unlimited amount of violence to stay in power.

Israel's policy is the Sampson Option, meaning the nuclear eradication of the Middle East (or as much as their nuclear arsenal will permit if all launched at once) should their existence be threatened regardless of whether those countries are actually responsible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

Read up and become educated before making ignorant statement.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
11. This isn't a theory
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 05:49 PM
Jan 2014

If you aren't even aware that the Samson Option is Israel's policy, there isn't much point in discussing this topic in depth if you're new to it.

Go check out some books at the library on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict or something.

Mosby

(16,295 posts)
14. I wasn't referring to the "samson option" with my comment of a "disgusting little theory".
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 06:31 PM
Jan 2014

Though you bringing that up is a rather poor attempt at deflection imo.

I was referring to your assertion that "The amount of violence someone is willing to commit...is in proportion to the level of threat they feel" which is true I guess if one has no values or morals. Which is exactly the point that the Al Jazeera host was making, that the Israelis demonstrate concern for civilians no matter what the circumstances are while the other countries in the region show no concern or restraint for innocents.

eta - in case I wasn't clear enough the samson option is a HYPOTHETICAL theory about what Israel MIGHT do, it's quite different than the 100s of thousands of actual DEAD people killed by immoral Arab regimes.

WatermelonRat

(340 posts)
16. The "Samson Option" is a hypothetical described by commentators, not policy
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 07:50 PM
Jan 2014

Israel's precise nuclear strategy is unknowable. It's safe to assume that, if Israel were in genuine danger of destruction, the country would resort to a nuclear response rather than allow a second holocaust to occur, but whether that would entail tactical use against invading armies or massive retaliation is uncertain. It would likely depend on the nature of the situation.

former9thward

(31,961 posts)
12. Oh, B.S.
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 05:50 PM
Jan 2014

Israel always knew where Arafat was. They could have killed him a thousand times if that was their desire.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
5. This guy apparently has some gaps in his memory, like the 2006 Israel-Lebanon war.
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 05:34 PM
Jan 2014

Israel bombed the hell out of south Beirut.

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