Isn't it weird that nuance has once again escaped GD

[hootinholler]

I have trouble understanding the black and white view of a technicolor landscape. Then again I didn't understand when shrub said you're either with us or against us either.

It would seem lessons were not learned.

It would seem that one should be able to recognize steps in the right direction whilst criticizing those steps for not going far enough.

The thing is that if we are going to fix anything, we've got to learn to work together and that's going to take an understanding of nuance.

[PeaceNikki]

1. wut?

[Squinch]

5. I think the nuance is escaping us.

[PowerToThePeople]

2. Ok, I will hold my nose and vote Hillary

Syke!!



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Ok, what was your op about? i am lost.

[edhopper]

3. And sometimes

we understand that half hearted measures when we have one chance in a decade or more to get it right won't do an eight of what needs to be done.

See; Wall Street and Health Care reform.

[madokie]

4. Until we get a congress that will work with a Democratic President

all we can hope for is half hearted measures. Its not Obama or the Democratic Senate that's the problems here.

[edhopper]

6. That's true.

But Frank/Dodd and the ACA were all Democratic bills, over the opposition of the GOP. And they weren't nearly enough.
It's Obama pushing the TPP as well.

[madokie]

8. We don't even know whats in the TPP yet

I'll reserve my outrage until I do.

Considering the way shit happens it might be true all the things we hear but as of right now we have no idea. Do we?

[edhopper]

11. What has been reported

is not encouraging.

[madokie]

13. I agree

As is the case many times it all could be bull though

I'm holding out that it is anyway

[edhopper]

14. My point about

Wall Street and the ACA still stands.

[madokie]

15. With the ACA

I feel that it would have been counter productive if Obama would have tried to get a single payer through due to the teabaggers/republiCONs in the house. That plus we had Baucus as the lead man on our side. I never did trust that man as far as I could throw his stinking ass as he's always been a sell out. ACA is less than what it could have been but I feel it is a step in the right direction, which to me is good.

If Obama would have gone after the wall street crooks he'd been impeached before he got out the door. We have a bunch of racist bigots in congress, specially on the house side.

I truly believe the gears of justice grinds ever so slowly and in the end we'll see justice, providing we keep the senate and especially if we win the house. I just don' see how I can hold the democrats or the president responsible for what has happened.

A lot goes on that we don't know about and a lot of shit we think we know is bullshit is what I truly think.

[edhopper]

17. Well certainly

any GOP in power would be disastrous and prevent any progress.

[geek tragedy]

7. Escaped? Let us know when it makes an appearance. Nt

[Octafish]

9. Understanding... and Respect.

Without respecting one another -- as individuals, DUers, and simply for the perspectives each holds -- formulating a unified response is near impossible.

Disrespect -- not following the Golden Rule -- is why the propertied class of puppet masters throughout history does all it can to divide the "great unwashed mass." For the elite, turning one competing interest against another means infinite possibilities for disagreement and hatred. It works by keeping people unaware and conditioned to automatically and viscerally turn against a competing idea or interest, including those simply based on appearance, say skin tone, in order to dismiss the idea as coming from "the Other." And doing such work pays very well -- ask the followers of Edward Bernays.



If people respect one another, perhaps they'll notice the strings. The thing attached to the strings is the "Airplane Controller." The hand holding it works for the 1-percent of 1-percent of 1-percent with most of the ready cash.

[hootinholler]

12. It seems you always get it

Thanks my friend.

[randome]

10. Every flamefest on DU should be met with the same response.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)[/center][/font][hr]

[seveneyes]

16. Demand more vagueness

There is much too little.