Is Lt. Gov. Guadagno -- like Mayor Zimmer -- willing to take lie detector & testify under oath?

[napkinz]

Has anyone put this question directly to Lt. Gov. Guadagno?

If so, has she agreed to doing it?

[jsr]

1. I'm sure she will "cooperate" with all "appropriate" "inquiries"

[napkinz]

5. Why has NO reporter asked her if she would do the same a Mayor Zimmer?

I'm no journalist/reporter. But that's the question I would ask. That's the question I don't see anyone in the MSM asking.


"Mayor Zimmer is willing to take a lie detector test and testify under oath. Would you be willing to do the same?"


Let's see if Guadagno hems and haws, because that will tell us EVERYTHING right there.

[DURHAM D]

9. Guadagno does not take press questions.

She just does press "events". Just as she did today.

It is my understanding this has always been the case because even during the campaign she always referred reporters to the Governor's office.

[napkinz]

10. she doesn't take questions ... well ...

[Bandit]

2. Since the US Attorney has now begun to look into this, I suspect she will be given

the opportunity to do that very thing. I am hard pressed to believe she would EVER agree to any such thing unless she was mandated to do so. She is every bit as corrupt as Christie and perhaps even more so.

[napkinz]

6. why has NO reporter asked her?

that's what I don't get

[CTyankee]

11. They tried. She brushed them off and left the presser...

It's no wonder she didn't...

[napkinz]

17. Touré on "The Cycle" just nailed it

He said Mayor Zimmer is the one willing to sit down and take the questions and Lt. Gov. Guadagno is not.

And Abby Huntsman just said, "One of them is lying and one of them isn't." She went on to say, and I'm paraphrasing, that this is going to bring one of them down.

[arthritisR_US]

3. She wouldn't take any questions in her presser so I would venture to say, NO. nt

[Smarmie Doofus]

4. No offense to Mayor Zimmer but anyone who's alone w. these people should be taping the conversations

One-party taping legal in NYS and I would assume it to be in NJ. The taper need only be a party to the conversation.

Taping devices these days are the size of a flash drive.

Sounds creepy, I know. But not as creepy as the people we're dealing with.

(We = the citizenry.)

[jsr]

7. New Jersey also has one-party consent

[PeteSelman]

8. Lie detectors are absolute garbage but testifying is strong.

They need to get this into court.

[napkinz]

12. I know lie detectors don't necessarily prove if someone is lying and are not admissible

... but the point is Mayor Zimmer is putting it all on the line by SAYING she's willing to take one. She's not equivocating. She's so sure of herself she's willing to RISK it all by making these gestures (one of which -- testifying under oath -- has REAL consequences).

Is Lt. Gov. Guadagno willing to do the same?

That's the point.

[Auntie Bush]

25. Guadagno will probably take he 5th.

[dorkzilla]

53. +1!

When I was in high school I applied for a job in the record department at a local electronics store (Crazy Eddies, for you olds in the NY area). I had to take a lie detector test, and in it, they asked me if I'd ever sold dugs, which I hadn't. I didn't even do drugs let alone sell them! Anyway the guy administering the test kept asking me that same question over and over and over. I must have been getting agitated because I failed the test.

They're (as Click and Clack say) bo-ohohohoh-gus!

[Gothmog]

13. Statements made to a US Attorney are subject to criminal penalties if proven false

The US Attorney is investigating this matter. Mayor Zimmer has already made statements to the US attorney and these statements are in effect under oath because she could be prosecuted if these statements were false. It is a crime to make false statements to a US Attorney in the course of an official investigation.

At the appropriate time, the US attorney will interview the Lt. Governor and she will have to be very careful about her story.

[Kingofalldems]

14. Weren't both her and Christie prosecutors?

Prosecutors use them all the time. They should be jumping to take one. I bet they already have! (Not)

[Gothmog]

15. Yes-Here is a good profile of the Lt. Governor

TPM has a decent profile of the Lt. Governor http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/the-mysterious-heir-to-chris-christie-s-jersey-throne

Following her graduation with a political science degree, Guadagno went to law school at American University. After becoming a lawyer, she made good on her threat to move to New York City, where she become an associate at a law firm before going on to work in the Organized Crime and Racketeering Department of the U.S. Attorney's Office in Brooklyn. According to a 2009 NJ.com profile of Guadagno, it was while working in Brooklyn, she has said, that she acquired her "distinctive New York accent," which allows her to sound at home on the Jersey political scene.

It will be interesting to see if the Lt. Governor lawyers up for this investigation

[dorkzilla]

54. Whoa, wait...she's from Iowa and she "acquired" her NY accent in her 20's?

So she's the Madonna of politics?

My maternal grandparents did everything in their power to eradicate my Bronx accent...and she "acquires" one? FFS...

[Gothmog]

60. You owe me a keyboard

I was taking a sip of a diet coke when I read this.

[dorkzilla]

62. LOL…sorry! nt

[napkinz]

16. "she will have to be very careful about her story"

Do the mayor's journals carry any legal weight?

I ask, because if the answer is no, then does this come down to a case of "she said, she said"?

Thanks

[CTyankee]

18. while it is possible she whomped up the diary in a grand plot to bring CC down,

it does strain credulity. Esp. given all the stories coming out now about Christie's vileness. But since I detest the guy, I'm more than willing to believe her...

[napkinz]

21. I don't believe she "whomped up the diary" either

I was just wondering if the diary is "evidence"? In a court of law, how would such a document be treated? (I'm no lawyer, so I'm asking those who do have a legal background.)

[CTyankee]

22. I'm not, but my son is (he's a prosecutor with the Brooklyn DA's office).

I'll ask him.

[napkinz]

24. thanks CTyankee

nt

[Manifestor_of_Light]

26. Authenticate it through the witness Zimmer.

Court reporter marks exhibit with number. Hands exhibit to prosecutor.

Zimmer is on the stand.
Prosecutor:
Q: Is this your diary?
A: Yes.
Q: And did you write in this diary occurrences between the date of ____ and ______?
A: Yes.
Q. And were these writings made in the regular course of business at your employment as the mayor of Hoboken?
A. Yes.
Prosecutor: Your Honor, the state moves to admit Exhibit No. ___ as a business record under the Business Records Statute.
The Court: Exhibit #___ is admitted.

Alternatively, it could be attached to a sworn affidavit by the witness and introduced into evidence.
===============

I was a court reporter for twenty years (that's why I'm completely nuts, from dealing with lawyers and judges) and have a law degree.

When I was in law school, I understood Evidence and Procedure classes. You have to see those in action in trial to understand them. The students who didn't work at the courthouse were completely baffled. I took Federal Procedure, Texas Pre-trial Civil Procedure, Texas Civil Trial & Appellate Procedure, and Criminal Procedure.
That was four semesters.
Evidence was one semester.

[napkinz]

27. thank you so much Manifestor_of_Light

nt

[Manifestor_of_Light]

28. No problema.

I can type this stuff in my sleep. I did it from 1977 to 1996. I was burned out before I was 35. I used to come home and cry from the inherent stress of the job usually being in trial all day. And that was on the good days, when I didn't have some power-mad judge chewing my ass.

Went to law school at night and worked fulltime at the courthouse for five years at the same time. Yeah, I was nuts. My dad worked and went to the same law school at night on the GI Bill after WW2. Except he did rotating shift work at a stinkin' refinery.

You have to introduce exhibits through testimony connecting them to the witness.

Anything else you wanna know? I'm a fount of trivia. I was a college bum. Knew everything when I was five years old, been going downhill ever since!

[napkinz]

31. well I really appreciate your explication

as for "Anything else you wanna know?"

Ummm ... what is the meaning of life?

[Manifestor_of_Light]

32. Forty-two.

Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

It was funny but it did not read like a coherent novel. It was like a bunch of jokes strung together.

Besides, Zaphod Beeblebrox is the best name ever.


Seriously, what is the meaning of life?

Watch The Keeper: The Legend of Omar Khayyam. It's my favorite movie.

Check it out at www.greatomar.com

Yes, that's Vanessa Redgrave in the big picture.

[napkinz]

34. "Seriously, what is the meaning of life?"

Well, yes and no. I wasn't being serious when I replied. Was just trying to have a light moment.

That's not to say it's a question I haven't pondered. (Who hasn't?)

Thanks for the recommendation ... "The Keeper: The Legend of Omar Khayyam."

Now watch, someone is going to suggest Monty Python's "The Meaning Of Life."

[Gothmog]

61. Yes, the journals are admissible and carry some evidentiary value

This journal is not covered by or is exempted from the hearsay rule and can be introduced at trial

[Cha]

38. Thanks for pointing that out, Gothmog.

It's a great reminder for exactly how important it is what Mayor Zimmer has done by putting herself out there.

[Gothmog]

19. Here is the law on lying to an US govt official

It is a crime to make a false statement to a federal official including a US Attorney http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1001

(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully—

(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;
(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or
(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;

shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both. If the matter relates to an offense under chapter 109A, 109B, 110, or 117, or section 1591, then the term of imprisonment imposed under this section shall be not more than 8 years.

(b) Subsection (a) does not apply to a party to a judicial proceeding, or that party’s counsel, for statements, representations, writings or documents submitted by such party or counsel to a judge or magistrate in that proceeding.

(c) With respect to any matter within the jurisdiction of the legislative branch, subsection (a) shall apply only to—

(1) administrative matters, including a claim for payment, a matter related to the procurement of property or services, personnel or employment practices, or support services, or a document required by law, rule, or regulation to be submitted to the Congress or any office or officer within the legislative branch; or

(2) any investigation or review, conducted pursuant to the authority of any committee, subcommittee, commission or office of the Congress, consistent with applicable rules of the House or Senate.

Remember, Scooter Libby was convicted of lying to FBI agents. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17479718/ns/politics/t/jurors-convict-libby-four-five-charges/

Libby was convicted of one count of obstruction, two counts of perjury and one count of lying to the FBI about how he learned Plame’s identity and whom he told. Prosecutors said he learned about Plame from Cheney and others, discussed her name with reporters and, fearing prosecution, made up a story to make those discussions seem innocuous.

The statements made Mayor Zimmer would carry the same penalty if she is found to have lied to the US Attorney

[Cha]

40. This^^^^^^^^!

thanks Goth

[Manifestor_of_Light]

63. Thanks for the statute & history lesson with Scooter, Gothmog!

You're brilliant. You can find out all sorts of stuff from the good folks of DU!

The diary could either be admissible as business records or as personal relevant writings of the witness.

I used to watch "L.A. Law" when I was in law school and would make objections at the TV when they were loose with their admissibility. Of course on TV they do stuff that would put them under the jail for contempt in the real world.

[bluestate10]

20. Guadagno refused to take questions from reporters today. Why do you think she would

want to sit down and answer questions from a prosecutor?

[Cha]

41. She wouldn't

want to but she probably won't have a choice in the future.

[spanone]

23. the lt. gov. has answered no questions from the media. no one has questioned her.

she gave a statement this morning at a press conference and took no questions.

[WillyT]

29. K & R !!!

[napkinz]

30. "Will All Of You Be Willing To Testify Under Oath"

-- on Rachel Maddow right now.

[Cha]

42. I can't wait to watch.. excitement

builds. thanks napkinz

[bluestate10]

33. I was listening to Steve Kornacki on Lawrence talking about the conversation between

Guadagno and Mayor Zimmer. The conversation happened in a parking lot of a large store. Big stores normally have cameras on their parking lots. I wonder whether the FBI is looking for tape. Video of the conversation would show body motion and facial expressions and allow agents to gain some idea of how the Mayor reacted to what Guadagno said.

[hrmjustin]

36. that is an interesting thought.

They could read lips as well.

[napkinz]

59. this guy could help ...

https://www.facebook.com/conservativelogic101

[napkinz]

37. I was switching back and forth between Lawrence and Steve and ...

Anderson Cooper interviewing Mayor Zimmer on CNN.

It seems there is a new piece of evidence. If I heard right, Mayor Zimmer wrote Lt. Gov. Guadagno last summer complaining about a link between approving the development project and receiving Sandy relief funds.

If true, that letter would corroborate her allegations. (That the letter was written last summer should quash the claim by Christie's henchmen that Mayor Zimmer only recently created the diary and concocted the whole story.)

Hoping to hear more on this.

[mazzarro]

56. If there is a letter then hell will break lose quickly! - n/t

[napkinz]

64. I caught only part of Anderson Cooper's interview with Mayor Zimmer

I was hoping to hear more about this letter. I was sure MSNBC would cover it.

So far, nothing.

[napkinz]

65. ProSense posted ----->

Hoboken Mayor Says Two Letters Back Her Up On Christie Allegations

see http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024367363

[Cha]

43. Hmmmmmm...!

[Cha]

35. Kim Guadagno is an enforcer for the Chrisitie

Crime Family. One with velvet gloves but nonetheless. Do we think she's going to take a stinkin' lie director test?!

She would break the damn thing.

[napkinz]

49. what is it with Christie's people?

Don't make them angry! You wouldn't like them when they're angry!

[Cha]

50. Why is that

5 second thing so funny?

thanks napkinz

[napkinz]

51. they get mad, they take revenge, then they get caught, then they feign contrition

Call them "The Incredible Sulk"!

[Cha]

52. "Incredible Sulk"!

I love it!

[napkinz]

58. whoever created the toy got the color wrong ... he's supposed to be green

I suppose he'll end up on the Island of Misfit Toys.

[MrScorpio]

39. Guadagno is saying that the story doesn't hold up to scrutiny...

Then why hasn't Hoboken gotten more than $300,000 of Sandy funds, seeing how badly that town was hit?

[Cha]

44. From things we've seen Guadagno say and do in

the past few days and her history of slurs and smears.. she's the one who isn't going to hold up to scrutiny. Dawn Zimmer's account said KG would "..deny it if you tell anyone".. And, here we are.

[MrScorpio]

45. I would LOVE to an expert on lying dissect her public statement nt

[Cha]

46. Oh yeah.. remember that old

tv show "Lie to Me"?

[MrScorpio]

47. I've got an idea nt

[Donald Ian Rankin]

48. Lie detectors are worthless. Avoid such political theater. N.T.

[napkinz]

57. the bigger point is how much Mayor Zimmer is willing to risk

It's not about the reliability and admissibility of a lie detector test. We know it carries no legal weight.

It's that Mayor Zimmer is making a statement so to speak, showing she's willing to risk her future. It's not the lie detector test itself, but rather the BOLD gestures she's making: saying she's willing to take a lie detector test, and of REAL significance, actually subjecting herself to further scrutiny by sitting down and taking reporters' questions, and most important, volunteering to testify under oath.

You can't get any more bold than that.

Contrast that with Lt. Gov. Guadagno who held a press conference, took no questions, and that was that.

[Gothmog]

66. Mayor Zimmer has been asked by US attorney to cease media interviews

The US attorney has asked Mayor Zimmer to cease media interviews. http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2014/01/after_national_media_appearances_zimmer_says_her_lips_are_sealed.html

This is after one appearance on MSNBC last Saturday, when she first aired her claims, and two on CNN, the last one on Monday night. She declined to speak to Fox News.

But her lips are sealed from now on, Zimmer, a Democrat, said in a statement she issued this morning.

"The U.S. Attorney's Office has asked that we not conduct additional media interviews and we are respecting their request,” the statement reads. “I stand by my previous statements and remain willing to testify under oath about all of the facts in this case."

U.S. Attorney’s Office spokeswoman Rebekah Carmichael said her office doesn't publicly discuss whether or not it has had specific meetings or conversations.

This request for a gag order tells me that that US attorney is seriously investigating this issue. You do not want your star witness out giving media interviews that can be used against that witness at trial.

[napkinz]

67. Oh yeah, it's on ...

FBI questions Hoboken mayor’s aides, sources say

by Michael Isikoff
01/23/14


FBI agents have begun questioning witnesses in the investigation into whether New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie’s aides threatened to cut off Hurricane Sandy relief money to Hoboken unless the city’s mayor backed a billion-dollar development project, three sources with direct knowledge of the probe told NBC News on Wednesday.

Federal prosecutors and agents have also instructed key witnesses to preserve all documents and emails relating to the allegations by Hoboken Mayor Dawn Zimmer, these sources said.

After Zimmer gave her account of the alleged threat to federal prosecutors on Sunday, federal agents questioned Dan Bryan, Zimmer’s chief of staff, and Juan Melli, her communications director, the sources said. ...

The two Zimmer aides are among at least five witnesses who Zimmer told the FBI could confirm that she had previously told them about the conversation she says she had with Lt. Gov. Kim Guadagno last May. Zimmer has alleged that during that conversation in a parking lot, the lieutenant governor linked Sandy funding to backing of the development project.

read more: http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/sources-fbi-questions-hoboken-mayors-aides

[napkinz]

68. with thanks to Cha ...

see http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024361045#post3