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Archae

(46,301 posts)
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 02:36 PM Jan 2014

(Super Bowl question) Why do we spend so much money on kids' games?

Yes, I do cheer and pump my fist in the air when the Packers do well, and will do so when the Milwaukee Brewers quit imitating the Chicago Cubs.

But just look at all the money being spent on the Super Bowl.

Stadium.
Security.
TV rights.
Ads.
Etc...

Essentially, these are kids' games.

So why do so many invest in them, and spend so much on them?

We aren't as starved for entertainment as the Romans were, in fact, we can have our own versions of the Super Bowl now, with video game systems.

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(Super Bowl question) Why do we spend so much money on kids' games? (Original Post) Archae Jan 2014 OP
Why do we spend so much money on entertainment in general? malthaussen Jan 2014 #1
What would you have us do in our spare time? former9thward Jan 2014 #17
Eh? Where did I say that? malthaussen Jan 2014 #27
I have no problem with taxes being used for what you call "entertainment." former9thward Jan 2014 #29
Did I say it was a problem? malthaussen Jan 2014 #32
If you did a count of people in Seattle parks and libraries yesterday former9thward Jan 2014 #34
Not really. malthaussen Jan 2014 #35
Consistent ... GeorgeGist Jan 2014 #41
Three words: GAMBLING Organized Crime aristocles Jan 2014 #2
bread and circuses Whisp Jan 2014 #3
Opiate for the masses One_Life_To_Give Jan 2014 #4
But we're so much more sophisticated than the Romans... malthaussen Jan 2014 #36
Because we are not all slaves whose only job in life is to work to serve others The Straight Story Jan 2014 #5
They aren't kid games tkmorris Jan 2014 #6
George Carlin, I believe in one of his books, said.... A HERETIC I AM Jan 2014 #14
i don't think taxes should subsidize them ProdigalJunkMail Jan 2014 #7
They are not kids games. Question answered. cthulu2016 Jan 2014 #8
so we should get rid of sports? NightWatcher Jan 2014 #9
Because we enjoy them. Throd Jan 2014 #10
Is there also something wrong with apple pie and the flag? CFLDem Jan 2014 #11
What do you want us to do for entertainment? Upton Jan 2014 #12
Will there be beer? Throd Jan 2014 #13
Nope..just whine Upton Jan 2014 #19
Yeah. DemocraticWing Jan 2014 #28
And travel money? nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #38
I lovee both Springslips Jan 2014 #30
Fuck if I know.. X_Digger Jan 2014 #15
Entertainment that generates revenue..... Logical Jan 2014 #24
Continues to promote "us vs them" giving people a sense of community without all the uppityperson Jan 2014 #26
How do you feel about paying men and women obscene gobs of money... malthaussen Jan 2014 #33
I feel the same way about hollywood. X_Digger Jan 2014 #37
They are not kid's games in any respect. former9thward Jan 2014 #16
Because...... NM_Birder Jan 2014 #18
Sports at that level aren't games, they're entertainment LittleBlue Jan 2014 #20
The number of people and organizations employed or supported by the NFL is huge. NCTraveler Jan 2014 #21
Many people seem to have a need to prop up their sense of importance through sports. Arugula Latte Jan 2014 #22
Tackle football is a game kids shouldn't play anyway. Very high injury risk. jmowreader Jan 2014 #23
3 other sports are more deadly, gymnastics, water polo, boys softball! nt Logical Jan 2014 #25
I looked that up... jmowreader Jan 2014 #39
Here is the totals, but by percent of players.... Logical Jan 2014 #40
My theory is sports works much as stories do. Springslips Jan 2014 #31

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
1. Why do we spend so much money on entertainment in general?
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 02:40 PM
Jan 2014

Movies, TV, music... it isn't just sports. More to the point is why we use taxes to subsidize our entertainment.

-- Mal

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
27. Eh? Where did I say that?
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 05:31 PM
Jan 2014

I posed a counter-question to the OP and suggested that a more interesting question was why we use taxes to support entertainment. You interpret that as an indictment. You're mistaken.

-- Mal

former9thward

(31,941 posts)
29. I have no problem with taxes being used for what you call "entertainment."
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 06:28 PM
Jan 2014

Its people having a good time. Just the same as taxes for parks and libraries.

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
32. Did I say it was a problem?
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 06:40 PM
Jan 2014

Asking "why" is not an indictment. That's a pet peeve of mine, and I find that many politicians and other authoritarians cannot stand for any question that starts with "why."

I would suggest we spend more subsidizing sports, movies, and music than we do subsidizing parks and libraries, or the Arts, or even public broadcasting. That could mean more people enjoy sports, movies, and music than enjoy parks, libraries, and the Arts; or it could mean that the one group of entertainment has better marketing than the other.

-- Mal

former9thward

(31,941 posts)
34. If you did a count of people in Seattle parks and libraries yesterday
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 06:48 PM
Jan 2014

And did a count of the people in the stadium and watching on TV you would have the answer to the "Why" question.

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
35. Not really.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 06:54 PM
Jan 2014

A superficial answer, yes: more people enjoy football than the library. But that just leads up to the larger question of why more people enjoy football than the library.

Of course, the answer to that would probably open up more questions. The fun part of asking "why" is that, ultimately, you are reduced by infinite regression to "In the Beginning was the Word."

-- Mal

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
4. Opiate for the masses
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 02:46 PM
Jan 2014

Little different from the Colosseum in Rome. Give a good show once in a while to appease the misery of the masses.

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
36. But we're so much more sophisticated than the Romans...
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 06:56 PM
Jan 2014

... they gave the bread and the circuses to the masses for free. Our masses have to pay for them. The Romans were amateurs.

-- Mal

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
5. Because we are not all slaves whose only job in life is to work to serve others
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 02:48 PM
Jan 2014

And we have something called free time where people do things that they 'enjoy'.

Since many people have either played football themselves, were a parent of someone who did, a cheerleader, etc it stands to reason that such a sport would be popular well into adulthood. And if an adult is going to play the game for the benefit of other adults they expect to be paid because they are no longer living at home having their mom and dad buy their uniform and lunch.

It is a tool to get to college and/or have a career. And while many don't make it a career many do make it to college because of it - which adds more reason for them to enjoy watching others. Given the sheer number of people involved it is little wonder why we spend so much money on it - folks enjoy it and unlike some things (movies, theater, etc) the people are not acting but being their best to win.

I prefer college football myself Although the super bowl will be cool this year as we have the hawkmen from seattle and the my little ponies from denver.

tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
6. They aren't kid games
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 03:13 PM
Jan 2014

Sure, we played them as kids but many of the same reasons we enjoyed them as children still apply as adults.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,362 posts)
14. George Carlin, I believe in one of his books, said....
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 03:36 PM
Jan 2014

(paraphrasing) "If you did away with the NFL, the big stadiums, the huge fan base...all of it, a bunch of guys would still get together and play football."

Same with baseball, hockey and basketball, I'm sure.

ProdigalJunkMail

(12,017 posts)
7. i don't think taxes should subsidize them
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 03:17 PM
Jan 2014

but sports/games are just a form of entertainment and in some cases something to feel positive about...

sP

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
9. so we should get rid of sports?
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 03:22 PM
Jan 2014

Lots of us enjoy them (demand), so the teams, tv stations, merch....(supply them).

Upton

(9,709 posts)
12. What do you want us to do for entertainment?
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 03:32 PM
Jan 2014

Go highbrow and only attend pretentious crap like opera or ballet? No thanks.

Springslips

(533 posts)
30. I lovee both
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 06:33 PM
Jan 2014

Sports and highbrow. But I take distaste in your stereotyping; sports fans can be just as pretentious as opera patrons. The guy who paints his face, wears his team jersey everywhere, and blabs nothing but sports is just as pretending douche as the stuck nose, eyes closed high brower.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
15. Fuck if I know..
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 03:42 PM
Jan 2014

I think it's obscene to pay grown men and women gobs and gobs of money to dress up in costumes and play kids games.

What do we get out of it? Athletes as 'heroes' who can't read, either because they skated through school, or because they have traumatic brain injuries. Piles of taxpayer dollars pissed away on over-budget sports stadiums and contracts to 'retain' some sports franchise or another. Athletes who wreck their bodies, blow their fortunes and end up in nursing homes at 50 because their brains are like bruised cantaloupes.

What the fuck good does it do?

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
24. Entertainment that generates revenue.....
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 04:15 PM
Jan 2014

Like spending $100 million on a crappy action movie, people want to watch it.

The money is spent on 1000s of things and flows back into the economy.

Supply/demand at work.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
26. Continues to promote "us vs them" giving people a sense of community without all the
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 04:28 PM
Jan 2014

work that goes into developing a real community.

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
33. How do you feel about paying men and women obscene gobs of money...
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 06:43 PM
Jan 2014

... to dress up in costumes and pretend to be somebody else, while filming it?

I think it's funny that sports are considered apart from the other entertainment branches on which we spend a lot of money.

-- Mal

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
37. I feel the same way about hollywood.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 07:01 PM
Jan 2014

Haven't been to a movie in >15 years; I can't stand reality TV.

former9thward

(31,941 posts)
16. They are not kid's games in any respect.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 03:46 PM
Jan 2014

If you think they are you should be doing something else with your time.

 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
18. Because......
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 03:58 PM
Jan 2014


rooting for a group of peasants toiling out in the fields is less than a spectacular entertainment event.

Why do anything that isn't specifically related to the act of survival ? All you need to live is to eat, drink water, and sleep.......

Why do movie stars make gajillions of dollars, merely for playing "dress-up and pretend"


except to say, that the more money you make as a dress-up/make-believe star,.... the more credibility your opinion is given. Think about how stupid THAT is ?



 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
20. Sports at that level aren't games, they're entertainment
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 04:02 PM
Jan 2014

I'll explain the difference. When you play with your kids in the back yard, it's a game. When you compete, it's athletics. And when you start playing in front of millions of people for $100m contrasts, it's no different than actors who get paid $20m a movie. That's entertainment.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
21. The number of people and organizations employed or supported by the NFL is huge.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 04:03 PM
Jan 2014

Keep spending that money people.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
22. Many people seem to have a need to prop up their sense of importance through sports.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 04:11 PM
Jan 2014

Their team wins -- they are special and better than those lesser losers.

Yes it's stupid but I think that's what it boils down to on some primitive level.

jmowreader

(50,529 posts)
23. Tackle football is a game kids shouldn't play anyway. Very high injury risk.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 04:12 PM
Jan 2014

One of my town's HS quarterbacks, in the space of a month, suffered a concussion, broken fibula and broken ankle in two on-field incidents.

Baseball is a kids' game adults make millions playing. Football is an insane adults' game we stupidly allow children to play.

jmowreader

(50,529 posts)
39. I looked that up...
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 09:06 PM
Jan 2014
http://www.momsteam.com/return-play/injury-rate-in-youth-soccer-higher-than-other-contact-sports-study-finds

"Fatalities (in soccer) associated almost exclusively with traumatic contact with soccer goalposts."

Contact with fixed objects is a leading cause of death in a lot of sports, so this makes a lot of sense.

And then there's this:

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/110/3/e28.abstract

(This is a study of 7-to-13-year-olds who get injured playing sports.)

"In baseball, 3 percent of all injuries were considered serious; in soccer, 1 percent were considered serious; and in football, 14 percent were considered serious."

"Conclusions. Given the classification of football as a collision sport, the high number of exposures per player, the FITS score, and the percentage of injuries considered serious, youth football should be a priority for injury studies. Health professionals should establish uniform medical coverage policies for football even at this age level."

The thing is, most sports' contact is incidental...but you can't play tackle football without running into other players.

Springslips

(533 posts)
31. My theory is sports works much as stories do.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 06:37 PM
Jan 2014

But they are real, thus ( the good guys don't always win). This truth ramps up the drama and gives more entertainment for the buck. But instead of suspending disbelief as you do in fiction, one has to create importance for the drama to work.

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