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global1

(25,225 posts)
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 05:11 PM Jan 2014

What Do You Think Is Going On In Crispy's Cabal Behind The Scenes Now - Besided Lawyering Up?....

I got to think that all kinds of telephone calls and meetings are going on between the subpoenaed people as to what their collective story is going to be. I got to think that Crispy is telling his people that if we all just stick together and tell the same story we'll get out of this.

If this is what's going on behind the scenes - I got to question those people that are listening to Crispy and believing that they could weather this storm. They would have to be really loyal or so guilty - that they would believe that they could come out of this unscathed.

Do you think each of these subpoenaed people's lawyers are telling them to save themselves and don't worry about Crispy or the rest of the group?

I just can't imagine the stress that these people are under right now.

Any other speculation out there about this?

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What Do You Think Is Going On In Crispy's Cabal Behind The Scenes Now - Besided Lawyering Up?.... (Original Post) global1 Jan 2014 OP
See the BBC version of House of Cards. nt. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #1
Hiding the money. polichick Jan 2014 #2
They most certainly COULD have weathered this storm rocktivity Jan 2014 #3
I am thinking disposable phones marlakay Jan 2014 #4
yeah, shredding grasswire Jan 2014 #6
The only way any of them know how to operate is by force and extortion so... Walk away Jan 2014 #5
Crispy isn't going to be able to use his raging asshole persona any more. Auntie Bush Jan 2014 #9
Someone on MSNBC said they'll fold like lawn chairs. I agree. These people are not mobsters or drug lindysalsagal Jan 2014 #11
You nailed it... CTyankee Jan 2014 #18
Every White Collar Criminal Defense attorney in New Jersey will be busy soon Gothmog Jan 2014 #7
Ha ha...have you ever been to NJ? We can never run out of lawyers! nt Walk away Jan 2014 #10
Good white collar defense attorneys are a special breed Gothmog Jan 2014 #13
Great, no one deserves a shitty lawyer more that the Christie folk! nt Walk away Jan 2014 #16
When The Port Authority Or Crispy Hires A Law Firm - Who Pays?..... global1 Jan 2014 #21
It depends Gothmog Jan 2014 #22
There Should Be A Law That When A Public Official Is Defending Him/Herself For Breaking A Law..... global1 Jan 2014 #23
Arguments over who gets to hold the bag. nt bemildred Jan 2014 #8
Communications, being as available as they are in the digital age, and subpoenas being as they libdem4life Jan 2014 #12
We need a rubbing hands together with glee smilie. lindysalsagal Jan 2014 #19
Deciding what to do with those "Christie 2016" tee shirts. GreatCaesarsGhost Jan 2014 #14
Thread win malaise Jan 2014 #15
...and one copy of "Europe on $1,000,000.00 a Day" nt Walk away Jan 2014 #17
i don't imagine the governors office is the place to be these days. spanone Jan 2014 #20

rocktivity

(44,572 posts)
3. They most certainly COULD have weathered this storm
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 05:29 PM
Jan 2014

if the Port Authority were not subject to federal oversight, and if Governor Soprano had succeeding in getting his appointees into the state attorney general's office and the state supreme court.

There is also the little matter of the phone call Christie made to New York's governor complaining that someone at the Port Authority was being too nosy -- that confirms that he knew the lane closure was a phony. So why give ANYONE immunity? That's a sold case of collusion and obstruction against Christie right there!


rocktivity

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
5. The only way any of them know how to operate is by force and extortion so...
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 05:40 PM
Jan 2014

it is driving them all crazy that the (inevitable) public relations crisis specialists that their lawyers assigned to them, is telling them to shut up and act legally. They are probably having ulcers sticking to their scripts and not terrorizing anyone with less power.
These are not highly evolved folks so it's a big stretch. They may be unable to function without threats and bullying.

Chris Christie had to leave town because he only has two modes...1. Raging Asshole 2. Big Whining Baby

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
9. Crispy isn't going to be able to use his raging asshole persona any more.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 05:53 PM
Jan 2014

He'll have to rely on old videos of his assholliness...and that's what most people liked about him. Now he'll be just another politician.

lindysalsagal

(20,592 posts)
11. Someone on MSNBC said they'll fold like lawn chairs. I agree. These people are not mobsters or drug
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 06:01 PM
Jan 2014

overlords. They're softies who rode Chrispy's evil coattails to some easy $$. They're not smart enough to really go out and make money the hard way: By being really really good at something. What they're good at is taking orders, not thinking ahead, or for themselves. They talk tough when they feel protected, just like the smartest guys in the enron room. It's all in their imaginations.

When Chrispy had approval ratings in the 70-80's, they felt invincible. But it was a delusion, and the bubble has been burst.

I think they'll ALL finger Chrispy at the earliest convenience just to avoid the wait and the jail time.

None of them would have dared draw Chrispy's fire by doing this without his orders, and there will be evidence. Lots of it. These fools never thought this would happen, and only Chrispy himself operated with minimal security protocols.

They've got the goods.

The real question is, has any money already moved into private pockets as kick-backs? That's where the blood-letting will begin.

Gothmog

(144,939 posts)
7. Every White Collar Criminal Defense attorney in New Jersey will be busy soon
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 05:44 PM
Jan 2014

At some point they will be running out of major name white collar criminal defense types

Gothmog

(144,939 posts)
13. Good white collar defense attorneys are a special breed
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 06:07 PM
Jan 2014

Defending white collar crime is a specialized field and the top people are going to have conflicts soon. In fact that there is a conflict fight pending as to the attorney defending Christie in that the same attorney is also defending the Port Authority in rate hike case brought by AAA http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303465004579326661524816096?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303465004579326661524816096.html

Lawyers at the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey lodged an objection Friday about Gov. Chris Christie's hiring of a global law firm to represent his administration in the George Washington Bridge scandal.

The agency's lawyers see a potential conflict because the same firm has represented the authority in lingering disputes over 2011 toll increases, people familiar with the authority's concerns said.

Mr. Christie said this week that attorney Randy Mastro and the firm Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP would represent his administration amid multiple investigations of its involvement in the closing of lanes leading to the bridge in Fort Lee, N.J., allegedly for political reasons. The reduced access caused traffic snarls for five straight days in September.

Gibson Dunn has billed the Port Authority for $4 million in matters related to the 2011 toll increases, officials said, including a lawsuit by a motorists' interest group and a legislative subpoena for records on the toll increases.


Gibson Dunn is a good firm but there is no way that this firm can represent Christie and the Port Authority and this firm may be disqualified from both representations

global1

(25,225 posts)
21. When The Port Authority Or Crispy Hires A Law Firm - Who Pays?.....
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 07:01 PM
Jan 2014

Does the taxpayer get socked with the bill? If so - doesn't seem fair that the taxpayer should be on the hook for potentially criminal activities performed by elected officials.

All those that have been subpoenaed (20 people) - do they hire and pay for their own attorneys?

Gothmog

(144,939 posts)
22. It depends
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 07:15 PM
Jan 2014

It is my understanding that the attorney hired to defend the Christie administration is being paid for by the taxpayers and the same firm is also being paid by the Port Authority (approximately $4 million has already been paid to this firm in that case). When an individual hires an attorney, in most cases that individual is paying for the attorney but if there is an indemnification agreement in place, the govt may be paying. Remember that the State of New Jersey has an attorney general who is suppose to be representing the state and Christie.

Most of the individuals will be paying their own bills unless they rely on the attorney for the Christie administration to represent them. I think that would be a dumb idea and the law firm would be crazy to try to do this due to the conflicts.

Gibson Dunn is a good firm but they are risking a great deal if a conflict is determined to exist.

global1

(25,225 posts)
23. There Should Be A Law That When A Public Official Is Defending Him/Herself For Breaking A Law.....
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 09:20 PM
Jan 2014

that it is their responsibility to pay for any legal fees incurred. If exonerated and not guilty - then they could use taxpayer money.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
12. Communications, being as available as they are in the digital age, and subpoenas being as they
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 06:05 PM
Jan 2014

are flying out of the Prosecutor's office, nothing will be sacred, so to speak. People could be wearing wires and have recording devices on their phones...I know I would. Email, Twitter, phone calls (see NSA) etc. are easily brought up. And this political generation...the late Boomers...still don't quite understand how transparent and easily produced their secrets are.

Scandal at light speed.

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