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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 05:15 PM Jan 2014

Another photo debunks another lie from team Christie

Fact-checking a key Zimmer claim

By Steve Benen



We talked earlier about Hoboken Mayor Dawn Zimmer (D), who told MSNBC’s Steve Kornacki over the weekend that two top officials in Gov. Chris Christie’s (R) administration told her to advance a local development deal, and in exchange, her city would receive more post-Sandy relief funding. The governor’s office is challenging the mayor’s story this afternoon with an easy-to-check claim.

At issue is an event in May of last year, when a group of officials gathered for a public television special on Sandy recovery. Zimmer sat alongside Richard Constable, Christie’s community affairs commissioner, and according to the mayor, Constable told her if she moved forward with a specific development deal, “they money would start flowing” to Hoboken.

Today, Christie’s office disseminated a piece from the Asbury Park Press, quoting Belmar Mayor Matt Doherty (D), who was part of the same panel.

Belmar Mayor Matt Doherty, who also was a panelist, said he didn’t hear a conversation between Zimmer and Constable.

“I sat next to Mayor Zimmer and, if I recall correctly, (Constable) was on my other side,” Doherty said.

If true, that would be a pretty important detail – Zimmer’s version of events makes clear that she was sitting next to the Christie administration official. But is Doherty’s memory accurate?

It is not. As is clear in the above photo, Doherty’s mistaken. Seated in the front row, from right to left, is Doherty, then Zimmer, then Constable. Patrick Murray, the director of Monmouth University’s polling institute, is on the far-left side of that front row.

It’s not surprising that the governor’s office hopes to undermine the accuracy of the mayor’s claims, but in this case, her version is at least plausible – she was seated next to Constable, just as she claimed. Doherty’s account, which Team Christie is circulating, is simply mistaken.

- more -

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/fact-checking-key-zimmer-claim

Gov. #Christie never met Mayor Sokolich? This photo says otherwise. Mayor is far left.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024304922

Holy Facting Shite - Christie was with Wildstein on September 11th 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024329742

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Another photo debunks another lie from team Christie (Original Post) ProSense Jan 2014 OP
Get thee to the greatest page malaise Jan 2014 #1
LOL! ProSense Jan 2014 #9
I heard that. Could've just said "didn't know her". "from a hole in the wall" is insulting. SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2014 #16
havent found it...but i did find this.. SummerSnow Jan 2014 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Jan 2014 #38
Needed coffee - still want one with the Holly lady malaise Jan 2014 #40
These guys... BeyondGeography Jan 2014 #2
K&R sheshe2 Jan 2014 #3
Exactly my feelings. SoapBox Jan 2014 #10
Naw, sulphurdunn Jan 2014 #33
Pretty much. NoQuarter Jan 2014 #36
The GOP got away with Rove-style lies for years ... BlueMTexpat Jan 2014 #37
In all fairness, Doherty DID say "if I recall correctly" rocktivity Jan 2014 #4
He should tell them to stop using him to cover their asses. ProSense Jan 2014 #7
I bet he was promised another Sandy Relief Million, if his recollection could help Gov Christie Heather MC Jan 2014 #12
Wow. Stupid AND corrupt. The GOP way. nt SunSeeker Jan 2014 #5
Mayor Matt Doherty wife has her own Sandy Relief headache... Wilms Jan 2014 #6
"governor had not been aware" seems to be a popular phrase. louis-t Jan 2014 #19
Yea, like Sgt. Schultz sulphurdunn Jan 2014 #34
doherty was mistaken? very generous description. spanone Jan 2014 #8
can we get a spreadsheet NJCher Jan 2014 #11
Ed Shultz is following the money malaise Jan 2014 #13
They're starting to lie about their lies. ProSense Jan 2014 #32
I am guessing the jury will decide truth on all this..no text.. Stuart G Jan 2014 #14
Steve Kornacki showed that picture on his show on the 18th. Jim__ Jan 2014 #15
k&r Liberal_in_LA Jan 2014 #17
I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you! kag Jan 2014 #18
Your winnings, sir sakabatou Jan 2014 #22
Yet another Republicon lie is busted Berlum Jan 2014 #20
I know that the nice thing to say is " mistaken"..... mstinamotorcity2 Jan 2014 #21
Facts have a liberal bias. nt TeamPooka Jan 2014 #23
Re: Facts have a liberal bias NancyDL Jan 2014 #45
Since I stole it from Stephen Colbert yes you may. TeamPooka Jan 2014 #46
It's funny how people fail to understand that in this day and age, there are records of EVERYTHING. Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #24
101 Recs! "Holy Facting Shite", Sherlock! lololol Cha Jan 2014 #25
behind every corruption story, there's another corruption story. mountain grammy Jan 2014 #26
Must be a liberal conspiracy it's Obama's fault, leftwing talking points, it's political, Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #27
This internet is getting to be a pain in the ass. zeemike Jan 2014 #28
Related. proverbialwisdom Jan 2014 #29
''....and, if I recall correctly,'' DeSwiss Jan 2014 #31
It's clear... Christie clear... Blue Owl Jan 2014 #35
This whole thing Madmiddle Jan 2014 #39
oops! blackspade Jan 2014 #41
You'd think that this would garner some media coverage. n/t ProSense Jan 2014 #42
You would think.... blackspade Jan 2014 #43
This may be a stupid question, but if the Sandy funds were not being distributed... KansDem Jan 2014 #44

malaise

(268,717 posts)
1. Get thee to the greatest page
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 05:20 PM
Jan 2014


Is there a photo with Holly Schepisi (R) and Mayor Zimmer - she just said that she wouldn't know her from a hole in the wall.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,087 posts)
16. I heard that. Could've just said "didn't know her". "from a hole in the wall" is insulting.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 06:26 PM
Jan 2014

which was what she was doing and is telling about the anger built up from all this.

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
30. havent found it...but i did find this..
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 08:16 PM
Jan 2014

pic of Christie and Zimmer after Sandy
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Then another pic of them talking alone...probably about funds she needs



Lt. Gov and Mayor Zimmer

Response to SummerSnow (Reply #30)

sheshe2

(83,655 posts)
3. K&R
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 05:28 PM
Jan 2014

They lie about things that can be so easily checked!

What are they, stupid?

Thanks for the update, PS!

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
10. Exactly my feelings.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 05:49 PM
Jan 2014

I never understand the huge stupid, that these Pukers always pull out of their ass.

Facts be damned!

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
33. Naw,
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 11:25 PM
Jan 2014

the just know that everybody reads the headline on page 1 and nobody reads the correction on page 10.

NoQuarter

(577 posts)
36. Pretty much.
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 03:10 AM
Jan 2014

They've at least heard of the Google. However I would bet that virtually none of them know what it REALLY is, how to really USE it, or that It's FOREVER!

BlueMTexpat

(15,365 posts)
37. The GOP got away with Rove-style lies for years ...
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 05:01 AM
Jan 2014

with their M$M toadies ... until everyone else realized the power and reach of the internet.

No wonder they are fighting so hard against net neutrality.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
7. He should tell them to stop using him to cover their asses.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 05:45 PM
Jan 2014

This really is more about Christie's minions latching on and spreading this to discredit Zimmer. You can best believe they know Doherty's account isn't accurate.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
6. Mayor Matt Doherty wife has her own Sandy Relief headache...
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 05:43 PM
Jan 2014

Maggie Moran, wife...former Corzine aid, former Cuomo campaign advisor...



snip

New Jersey officials compared the $100 estimate with the approximately $50 per cubic yard that a spokesman for Gov. Chris Christie said had been paid under a contract negotiated directly with AshBritt, a debris-hauling company in Florida. By comparison, removing standard residential trash from New York after it is collected costs the city about $30 a cubic yard, the mayor’s office said.

That debris-removal job in New Jersey has also become controversial. AshBritt was initially hired under a no-bid contract to do the work, after Haley Barbour, a former Mississippi governor, urged Mr. Christie, a friend and fellow Republican, to pick it. Mr. Barbour is a founder of a lobbying firm that represents the company.

AshBritt also hired politically connected officials in New Jersey — like George Gilmore, the chairman of the local Republican Party committee in hard-hit Ocean County, and Maggie Moran, a former aide to Jon S. Corzine, a Democrat who preceded Mr. Christie as governor — to urge local jurisdictions to take advantage of the state-sponsored deal, as has been reported by The Star-Ledger of Newark.

Michael Drewniak, a Christie spokesman, said the governor had spoken with three current or former Republican governors after the hurricane, and each recommended that the state hire its own debris removal contractor instead of relying on the Army Corps. Mr. Drewniak also said the governor had not been aware that Mr. Barbour’s firm was working for AshBritt at the time he recommended the company.

So far, AshBritt, working directly for about 50 local jurisdictions in New Jersey, has collected and disposed of about three million cubic yards of debris, at a total cost of about $150 million, officials said.

The company’s original contract with New Jersey, which had been based on a deal it negotiated with Connecticut in 2011, has since been subject to competitive bidding.

Even at that lower price New Jersey has paid AshBritt, the contract has drawn criticism, with some local officials arguing that local waste disposal companies could have done the job at an even lower price.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/25/nyregion/debris-removal-from-hurricane-sandy-is-more-costly-than-average.html?_r=0

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NJCher

(35,622 posts)
11. can we get a spreadsheet
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 05:56 PM
Jan 2014

to keep track of all the lies?

Then when they repeat the lie, all we have to do is say, "Here's a link....I believe that's Lie #46." And we could have the spreadsheet hyperlinked with photos and other forms of proof.


Cher

malaise

(268,717 posts)
13. Ed Shultz is following the money
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 06:05 PM
Jan 2014

and the 'attack the messenger tactic' which he calls Nixonian.

Jim__

(14,063 posts)
15. Steve Kornacki showed that picture on his show on the 18th.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 06:24 PM
Jan 2014

Denying that is just plain stupid. Here's a link to 24 minutes of that show, including the picture - http://www.msnbc.com/up/watch/sandy-aid-withheld-over-politics-120493635783 - unfortunately, I don't have the offset to where he shows that picture.

mstinamotorcity2

(1,451 posts)
21. I know that the nice thing to say is " mistaken".....
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 07:05 PM
Jan 2014

But a LIE is a LIE. And they are not being truthful. The pictures of Hoboken were devastating. And no matter what they say it doesn't change the numbers. Why did she only get 300,000 dollars??? They couldn't pump the water back to the river for that price. Let alone shore up infrastructure or rebuild anything. I am really getting tired of this tricked out charade that we must do with word play. Christie and his Administration are not fooling me. This shit goes deeper than just some mere political bullying. It will end up where it all does, the LOOT. The Mayors of the cities of Hoboken and Fort Lee have big projects slated for their cities. And Gov. Christie and his Administration can't get past the truth that they did not give Hoboken the money. So his Lt. Governor can come out and protest all she wants. Did that silly broad see herself in the pictures at the Grocery store.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
24. It's funny how people fail to understand that in this day and age, there are records of EVERYTHING.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 07:11 PM
Jan 2014

"Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?"

Cha

(296,868 posts)
25. 101 Recs! "Holy Facting Shite", Sherlock! lololol
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 07:31 PM
Jan 2014

"Simply mistaken".. as that nice Mr Steve Benen puts it.. or a damn liar 'cause well you know he wants to simply cover Christie's ass. Good luck with that, Matt Doherty.

"It’s not surprising that the governor’s office hopes to undermine the accuracy of the mayor’s claims, but in this case, her version is at least plausible – she was seated next to Constable, just as she claimed. Doherty’s account, which Team Christie is circulating, is simply mistaken."

Thanks ProSense!

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
27. Must be a liberal conspiracy it's Obama's fault, leftwing talking points, it's political,
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 07:59 PM
Jan 2014

The Clinton's are behind this. Can't wait for the excuses to start.

On the truthful side I think things ran amuck and everyone around him was trying to run up the
numbers to have a good showing and now it is crashing at his feet.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
28. This internet is getting to be a pain in the ass.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 08:02 PM
Jan 2014

You can't even lie anymore without someone dragging up the truth.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
31. ''....and, if I recall correctly,''
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 09:24 PM
Jan 2014

An attempt at plausible deniability. He gave it a shot. Didn't work.

- If his memory is that bad, he shouldn't be a mayor.

K&R

 

Madmiddle

(459 posts)
39. This whole thing
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 08:33 AM
Jan 2014

Is another corruption story involving government. New Jersey is like a banana republic with this grease fat ass bully as boss hog and he don't care if people hear lies or the truth...

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
43. You would think....
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 02:22 PM
Jan 2014

Unfortunately our corporate media is more focused on Wendy Davis and when she lived in a trailer and the exact date of her divorce.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
44. This may be a stupid question, but if the Sandy funds were not being distributed...
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 02:27 PM
Jan 2014

Where were they?

Stashed in an account in a bank somewhere?

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