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cali

(114,904 posts)
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 10:36 AM Jan 2014

Syria crisis: evidence of 'industrial-scale killing' by regime spurs call for war crimes charges

Syrian government officials could face war crimes charges in the light of a huge cache of evidence smuggled out of the country showing the "systematic killing" of about 11,000 detainees, according to three eminent international lawyers.

The three, former prosecutors at the criminal tribunals for the former Yugoslavia and Sierra Leone, examined thousands of Syrian government photographs and files recording deaths in the custody of regime security forces from March 2011 to last August.

Most of the victims were young men and many corpses were emaciated, bloodstained and bore signs of torture. Some had no eyes; others showed signs of strangulation or electrocution.

The UN and independent human rights groups have documented abuses by both Bashar al-Assad's government and rebels, but experts say this evidence is more detailed and on a far larger scale than anything else that has yet emerged from the 34-month crisis.

The three lawyers interviewed the source, a military policeman who worked secretly with a Syrian opposition group and later defected and fled the country. In three sessions in the last 10 days they found him credible and truthful and his account "most compelling".

They put all evidence under rigorous scrutiny, says their report, which has been obtained by the Guardian and CNN.

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/20/evidence-industrial-scale-killing-syria-war-crimes

I was against any military action in syria. still am, but I always thought that the assad gov't was perpetrating atrocities on a larger scale than the opposing forces. recognizing this doesn't mean supporting military action.

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Syria crisis: evidence of 'industrial-scale killing' by regime spurs call for war crimes charges (Original Post) cali Jan 2014 OP
Agree with you on all counts. Thanks for posting this, cali. n/t pampango Jan 2014 #1
this is really sickening, depressing and stunningly well documented- though no doubt there cali Jan 2014 #2
These guys represent who again? Jesus Malverde Jan 2014 #3
"The three, former prosecutors at the criminal tribunals for the former Yugoslavia and Sierra Leone pampango Jan 2014 #4
It's a stupid debating tactic. cheap, intellectually dishonest. cali Jan 2014 #6
Cali you cannot piss me off.. Jesus Malverde Jan 2014 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Jesus Malverde Jan 2014 #13
me :) fadedrose Jan 2014 #9
No your wrong Jesus Malverde Jan 2014 #7
jeeze, right back at you. this is not the kuwait story and this couldn't be more clear cali Jan 2014 #5
I was wrong... Jesus Malverde Jan 2014 #10
oh for fuck's sake. just because it doesn't fit in your narrow little frame, doesn't mean cali Jan 2014 #11
All I wondered about was the source of the report. Jesus Malverde Jan 2014 #12
New York Times coverage... Jesus Malverde Jan 2014 #14
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
2. this is really sickening, depressing and stunningly well documented- though no doubt there
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 10:49 AM
Jan 2014

will still be some here insisting that it's propaganda.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
3. These guys represent who again?
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 10:52 AM
Jan 2014

Which impartial NGO paid for this study? When you see crap like "no eyes", you might consider this a Kuwaiti incubator story....jeeze

pampango

(24,692 posts)
4. "The three, former prosecutors at the criminal tribunals for the former Yugoslavia and Sierra Leone
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 10:58 AM
Jan 2014

And the UN paid for the study.

Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and many other human rights organizations have reached the same conclusion. Has any credible organization concluded otherwise? If so, I would love for you to post their study.

Throwing around the "Kuwait incubator story" may be an effective debating tactic, but it does not change the reality of the Syrian regime.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
6. It's a stupid debating tactic. cheap, intellectually dishonest.
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 11:12 AM
Jan 2014

hey, do you think there's any faction on DU that I haven't pissed off?

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
8. Cali you cannot piss me off..
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 01:05 PM
Jan 2014

Just pointing out how you've been misled.

The 31-page report, which was commissioned by a leading firm of London solicitors acting for Qatar,


Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #8)

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
7. No your wrong
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 01:03 PM
Jan 2014

The UN did not pay for the report. It appears you FAILED to read the article.

The 31-page report, which was commissioned by a leading firm of London solicitors acting for Qatar,

Oh look.... commissioned by the saudi's lackeys... Propaganda fail!

The same milieu who is funding the fundamentalist jihadist mercenaries in Syria.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
5. jeeze, right back at you. this is not the kuwait story and this couldn't be more clear
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 11:10 AM
Jan 2014

unlike you and others I don't fucking take an ideological position that fucks with my abilty to assess and reason.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
10. I was wrong...
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 01:12 PM
Jan 2014

This is less Kuwaiti baby ward, tastes more like yellow cake.

Please spare us reports on human rights brought to us by despotic gulf monarchies. The dissonance makes my head hurt.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Qatar

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
11. oh for fuck's sake. just because it doesn't fit in your narrow little frame, doesn't mean
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 01:14 PM
Jan 2014

it's fake, honey.

the evidence is compelling and frankly I think it's contemptible as all hell to deny it just because YOU don't want it to be true.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
12. All I wondered about was the source of the report.
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 01:22 PM
Jan 2014

Seeing it's being a bogus and all...

Any report that looks at one aspect of a multidimensional conflict should be suspect.

That the Syrian regime has engaged in war crimes fighting the jihadist is not unusual. Counter insurgency is an ugly business. Just ask James Steele.

BTW calling me HONEY...nice touch...

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
14. New York Times coverage...
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 11:35 PM
Jan 2014
The report, which was first made available to The Guardian and CNN, was written by a six-person panel of experts assembled by a law firm working for the government of Qatar, a main sponsor of the Syrian opposition. The team included three former prosecutors from the international tribunals for Sierra Leone and the former Yugoslavia, a forensic pathologist, an anthropologist who investigated mass graves in Kosovo and an expert in digital imaging provenance.


The report does not reveal the name of the man who provided the photographs, identifying him by the pseudonym Caesar. That reminded some skeptics of Curveball, the code name assigned to the Iraqi defector Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, whose bogus claims about mobile biological weapons labs formed a central part of the case for the American invasion of Iraq. In 2011, just before the first street protests against President Assad’s Baathist dynasty, Mr. Janabi admitted to The Guardian that he had lied to German and American intelligence officials.


The timing of the report’s release, as diplomats and representatives of the Syrian government and opposition manoeuvre ahead of peace talks in Geneva, also suggested to some observers that the inquiry might have been part of an effort to weaken Mr. Assad’s position in negotiations. The opposition, and its foreign supporters, including the United States, have called for him to step down, while Mr. Assad himself, buoyed by support from close allies like Iran and Russia, told Agence France-Presse this week that he was considering another term in office.


Speaking to Ms. Amanpour on Monday about the photographic evidence, the forensic pathologist on the Qatari-financed team, Dr. Stuart Hamilton, explained that he had examined thousands of images but not the complete set because of a tight deadline for the report’s delivery.


http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/01/20/war-crimes-experts-call-syrian-defectors-photographs-direct-evidence-of-assads-killing-machine/

Slightly more skeptical.
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