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MineralMan

(146,241 posts)
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 02:17 PM Jan 2014

One Significant Difference between Pharmaceuticals and Alternative Remedies

Here's an interesting exercise anyone can do:

Go to websites for pharmaceutical companies and also to purveyors of alternative supplements and medications. Read the product information on both.

On the pharmaceutical company website, you'll find copies of patient inserts for all of the medications they sell. In that insert, you can read about the conditions the medication is prescribed for, along with a description of how the medication functions in your body. You'll also find contraindications for that medication, a list of conditions under which it should not be taken. You'll find a long, sometimes frightening list of possible side effects of the medication, with some indication of how common those are, and instructions for what to do should you experience those side effects. If regular blood tests or other monitoring is needed for the medication, you'll see those described as well. Those patient inserts are long, complicated, and use actual medical terminology. You may have to go look up some of the words that are used, even though they attempt to make them as understandable as possible.

On the supplement or alternative medication website, you'll find something different. You'll find a sales pitch, with claims that the supplement or whatever does nebulous things like "supports something" or other weasel-worded claims for the product. You won't find a list of diseases that the product is designed to treat or cure, because that's illegal. It's illegal because there's no evidence that it is effective in treating or curing anything. You won't find a detailed list of reasons not to take the product or contraindications. You won't find a list of all of the possible side effects of using the product. You won't find details about how the product actually functions, either. You will find a lot of nice words that mean almost nothing, but that are glowing about the "benefits" of consuming the product.

The difference is the FDA. The FDA requires those detailed patient inserts, with all of the information they contain. The FDA does not regulate supplements and alternative remedies, except that it makes it illegal to make claims that those products actually treat anything or cure anything. The supplement industry has learned to walk the line very carefully in the words they use. Often, they have to change the wording after receiving a stern letter from the FDA, but no matter. They'll just come up with some other words. The pharmaceutical companies can't do that. They have to provide complete information on their products to consumers, and that's what they do.

Everyone needs to do their own homework about the medications or other products they use with regard to their health. If the information isn't there for a product, that's for a reason. If you can't find out that information from the company selling the product, then that product may not work, may have risks you don't learn, and may just be a waste of your money.

Everyone owes it to himself or herself to do the homework required to understand what they are taking for an illness or other medical reason. If that homework isn't done, the results may not be as expected or you may be wasting money on useless products. If you can't find the information you should have, then there's probably a reason for that.

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One Significant Difference between Pharmaceuticals and Alternative Remedies (Original Post) MineralMan Jan 2014 OP
Yes and what you fredamae Jan 2014 #1
The pharmaceutical companies have no choice. MineralMan Jan 2014 #2
I agree-what concerns fredamae Jan 2014 #5
When you go to the pharmacy, the patient information is MineralMan Jan 2014 #6
I agree with you fredamae Jan 2014 #7
Actually, the patient information handout in the bag MineralMan Jan 2014 #8
What about cases/incidents like this? fredamae Jan 2014 #10
I recently had to educate myself on a prescription medication. NCTraveler Jan 2014 #3
It's important to read those patient information inserts. MineralMan Jan 2014 #4
Of course the FDA says cannabis has absolutely no medicinal value Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #9

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
1. Yes and what you
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 02:22 PM
Jan 2014

describe is Harm Reduction Education. When we are fully informed about Anything we put in our mouths--from Fast Food to Medicines to Personal Enjoyments (Alcohol, Tobacco, Cannabis etc).
Fully informed people tend to make healthier choices..and I believe many corporations understand that IF we knew the Full consequences of consumptions--we wouldn't buy said products...

Personal research is the best way to do that.

MineralMan

(146,241 posts)
2. The pharmaceutical companies have no choice.
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 02:24 PM
Jan 2014

They MUST provide that detailed information, and they do. The supplement companies don't have to supply any information, so they don't. The difference is striking.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
5. I agree-what concerns
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 03:11 PM
Jan 2014

me is the fact that Doctors are not always fully informed. Our Pharmacists typically have better information--but even they are not always fully informed which is Why it is So important for us to check the medicine directly from BigPharma--because yes-you're correct-they have to provide the information but apparently they may not be advised or directed to Whom exactly, How and Where said info must be posted.

Sometimes it's an adventure trying to find it-so at the end of the day---I see little difference in the results of the advisory requirements "end game" when there are easy ways to reduce/hide/avoid sharing said info by making it hard to find.....They're in compliance but that doesn't necessarily mean--we are more informed---just my opinion.
We simply have to learn to take personable responsibility to be as informed as we can possibly be by doing our own discovery.

As to herbal supplements, and yes they too are medicines in this context--likewise, the info is out there...if we seek it.

MineralMan

(146,241 posts)
6. When you go to the pharmacy, the patient information is
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 03:16 PM
Jan 2014

included with every purchase of a prescription medication. That is never the case with over-the-counter medications and supplements. It's up to the consumer to read that information, and to ask questions about it. In Minnesota, you don't get a prescription, particularly a new one without a consultation with the pharmacist being offered, as well.

OTOH, if you go to the supplement store, like GNC, and ask about a product, they'll tell you something like, "It's good for brain health," or some similar worthless statement. The information is not there. If you go searching for information, you'll have to first determine whether it came from someone with a hand in selling the product. The patient information from pharmaceutical companies must follow a strict format and include specific, complete information.

Everyone should read that patient information.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
7. I agree with you
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 03:41 PM
Jan 2014

What I'm saying is the info inside the sack may not be as complete as going directly to the pharmaCo's website itself.

I use herbal supplements and have-harmlessly for years and in fact, it is imo-that because of my personal choices based upon my personal research-I am Not taking 5-10 or 20 Chemical Cocktails daily now.

I'm well into my 60's and most of my friends who "ribbed" me Years ago for being an "organic bark eating earth mother"-today have cupboards full of prescription drugs. I don't. I use one.

I'm not saying I "know" it was/is because of my "years ago" choices that I am as healthy as I am now-maybe I just got lucky.

MineralMan

(146,241 posts)
8. Actually, the patient information handout in the bag
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 03:50 PM
Jan 2014

is identical with the one on the website. That's the legal requirement. Of course, on the site, you can also read the prescribing information if you have enough medical knowledge to understand it, as I do. But the patient information handouts are standardized and the same. Pharmaceutical companies spend a lot of money designing the content in those, to satisfy the FDA. Even more is spent on the prescribing information for doctors, along with the money spent doing the required clinical trials and monitoring reports once the medication is on the market.

No such requirements exist for supplements. Most of them are as harmless as they are useless, but not all of them. While many believe they are healthier for taking those supplements, that's not actual clinical evidence. It's just a feeling people have about the supplements. The supplement industry depends on those feelings, and that's what they sell, really.

Ask a supplement manufacturer whether you should take some product for your illness. They'll hem and haw and tell you nothing. They can't. They don't know, because no clinical trials have been done and they're restricted by law to not tell you that their products are either efficacious or safe. It's a great deal for them. They can sell you good feelings with almost no risk.

Then there is homeopathy, which is absolutely safe, since it contains nothing. Those guys have it bagged. They can sell you plain water for big bucks. It won't hurt you, of course, but it will do nothing for you either. A perfect combination for scammers.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
3. I recently had to educate myself on a prescription medication.
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 02:31 PM
Jan 2014

As someone who has rarely ever taken a prescription medication, I was very pleased to see the amount of information available to me. I would never take a drug based only on the recommendation of a doctor. The company who produced the drug had all of their research available to me. I would never put a drug or supplement into my system without fully looking into it. If there isn't much information available, forget about it. Clearly that would be excluding drugs in the case of dire circumstances like being in a cancer research group.

MineralMan

(146,241 posts)
4. It's important to read those patient information inserts.
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 02:39 PM
Jan 2014

Neither doctors or pharmacists give you all of the details, but you'll get the patient information with every prescription, and can also look it up on the manufacturer's website. If you care to, you can also read the prescribing information, but for most people that's way too technical. You can even go look at actual clinical trial study results, if you wish.

You cannot do that with non-pharmaceutical supplements. No such patient information inserts are available. You can look up information on the Internet, but much of that information is written by non-medical people and may be based more on wishful thinking than actual clinical trials or research.

The FDA requires that full information be provided with prescription medications, and pharmacists make sure you have that information. Whether you read it or not is up to you. But, it's highly recommended.

No such requirements exist for supplements and alternative remedies, so you just won't find that information that you can count on. It's worth comparing, truly.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
9. Of course the FDA says cannabis has absolutely no medicinal value
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 04:39 PM
Jan 2014

So they lack credibility due to the politicized nature of that which they claim is 'science'. Buffoonery and corruption defines the FDA.
But if you need to trust them, feel free to do so. They claim that lies are facts when they wish, but I'm sure they can be trusted.

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