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JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 12:50 AM Jan 2014

The toll of the anti-vaccination movement, in one devastating graphic.


Measles outbreaks (purple) worldwide and whooping cough (green) in the U.S., thanks in part to the anti-vaccination movement. (Council on Foreign Relations / January 20, 2014)

Aaron Carroll today offers a graphic depiction of the toll of the anti-vaccination movement. (H/t: Kevin Drum.) It comes from a Council on Foreign Relations interactive map of "vaccine-preventable outbreaks" worldwide 2008-2014.

A couple of manifestations stand out. One is the prevalence of measles in Europe -- especially Britain -- and the U.S. Measles is endemic in the underdeveloped world because of the unavailability of the MMR (measles, mumps and rubella) vaccine.

But in the developed world it's an artifact of the anti-vaccination movement, which has associated the vaccine with autism. That connection, promoted by the discredited British physician Andrew Wakefield and the starlet Jenny McCarthy, has been thoroughly debunked. But its effects live on, as the map shows.

Vaccine panic also plays a role in the shocking incidence in the U.S. of whooping cough, also beatable by a common vaccine. Researchers have pointed to the effect of "non-medical exemptions" from legally required whooping cough immunizations -- those premised on personal beliefs rather than medical reasons -- as a factor in a 2010 outbreak of whooping cough in California.


The rest: http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-antivaccination-movement-20140120,0,5576371.story#ixzz2r6EmagUI
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The toll of the anti-vaccination movement, in one devastating graphic. (Original Post) JaneyVee Jan 2014 OP
The willfully stupid Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #1
Or in one misleading graphic, perhaps. El_Johns Jan 2014 #2
That graph stops at 2008 kcr Jan 2014 #4
It never particularly went down. And it's been above 90% for a long time. El_Johns Jan 2014 #6
Not my graphic kcr Jan 2014 #35
By including everything back to 1954, the scale makes it a little hard to see what's happening. TrollBuster9090 Jan 2014 #13
The foreshortened scale also makes it hard to see what's happening. 1988-1991 there was also El_Johns Jan 2014 #20
And that is the key graph. nt stevenleser Jan 2014 #33
Oh, Hannah. Are you really arguing in favour of the anti-vaccination movement?... SidDithers Jan 2014 #36
I got Whooping Cough in my early 40's....2002 alittlelark Jan 2014 #3
It's one thing to be a moron. These people are dangerous morons. alcibiades_mystery Jan 2014 #5
That, PLUS the rampant paranoia and distrust of 'government' and authority. In the old days, if TrollBuster9090 Jan 2014 #8
Dont you dare try to connect the two! davidn3600 Jan 2014 #11
The fact that government doesn't respect our privacy or our constitutional rights, and police TrollBuster9090 Jan 2014 #14
Are all those un-vaccinated kids being home-schooled? ReRe Jan 2014 #7
I dunno, but it's probably different now, because, you know ... brett_jv Jan 2014 #9
I know... ReRe Jan 2014 #12
Take your pick. There are at least 13 other things correlated with the rise of autism. TrollBuster9090 Jan 2014 #17
Thanks for that list... ReRe Jan 2014 #19
They've forgotten two other things. De Leonist Jan 2014 #23
The amniotic fluid has become a soup of countless industrial chemicals Hekate Jan 2014 #16
It probably has less to do with external influences Lordquinton Jan 2014 #21
In CA homeschooled kids have the same vaccine requirement as public or private schooled kids, LeftyMom Jan 2014 #18
MMR coverage of California children 19-35 mo was 94% in 2007. El_Johns Jan 2014 #22
+1 dreamnightwind Jan 2014 #24
The school by school exemption data tells a very different story. LeftyMom Jan 2014 #25
OK, CDC & Cal Dept of health are just a waste of the taxpayers' money. They don't know what's El_Johns Jan 2014 #26
The subthread was about school admission requirements and you're posting data about toddlers. LeftyMom Jan 2014 #27
I posted data about children up to 7th grade. El_Johns Jan 2014 #28
Marin county's exemption rate is 7.8% The very data you're posting show that you're wrong. LeftyMom Jan 2014 #30
But those prosperous white people aren't sufficiently numerous to affect total rates much. El_Johns Jan 2014 #31
CRE is a much bigger threat. Resistant to every anti-biotic , ErikJ Jan 2014 #10
Hadn't heard that name, so I looked it up ... brett_jv Jan 2014 #15
Whooping Cough Outbreak in North Texas dem in texas Jan 2014 #29
Jenny McCarthy should go back to picking boogers on MTV. longship Jan 2014 #32
+1 davidpdx Jan 2014 #34
DU rec...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #37
 

El_Johns

(1,805 posts)
2. Or in one misleading graphic, perhaps.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 01:22 AM
Jan 2014



Coverage for the MMR vaccine, the polio vaccine, and the varicella (or chickenpox) vaccine are all above the national targets of 90% — which is obviously wonderful news. It’s particularly nice to see the uptick in children getting one or more dose of MMR, which reverses what happened between 2008 and 2009, when there was a decrease from 92.1 percent to 90.0 percent.

http://blogs.plos.org/thepanicvirus/2011/09/01/running-the-numbers-us-vaccination-rates-up-ever-so-slightly-new-jersey-way-below-national-average/

kcr

(15,315 posts)
4. That graph stops at 2008
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 02:08 AM
Jan 2014

But it is good news that MMR vaccine rate is going up. Maybe the damage from Wakefield's nonsense is starting to fade.

 

El_Johns

(1,805 posts)
6. It never particularly went down. And it's been above 90% for a long time.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 02:31 AM
Jan 2014

Your graphic:

It comes from a Council on Foreign Relations interactive map of "vaccine-preventable outbreaks" worldwide 2008-2014.

So 2008 in my chart is the starting year for your graphic.

kcr

(15,315 posts)
35. Not my graphic
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 08:24 AM
Jan 2014

But that's my point. I don't know how you can claim it's misleading when the graph you posted stops at 2008

TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
13. By including everything back to 1954, the scale makes it a little hard to see what's happening.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 03:11 AM
Jan 2014

Try this:



SOURCE: CDC

Note:
1. The incidence of measles outbreaks is increasing, and
2. The incidence of them being IMPORTED is DECREASING. (ie-more domestic outbreaks of measles.)

Here's what I find interesting about the graph. Wakefield published his dumbass paper in 1998. So, why does the incidence of measles only start to spike ten years later in 2008? Because THAT'S the year Jenny McCarthy started her activism.

Believing a fraudulent physician who fakes evidence to get his name in a LANCET article is one thing, but that's not what happened. These days, people would rather get their medical advice from a frikkin' Playboy centerfold. That's what I find really disturbing.

 

El_Johns

(1,805 posts)
20. The foreshortened scale also makes it hard to see what's happening. 1988-1991 there was also
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 03:42 AM
Jan 2014

a spike; in 1991 there were 9500 cases, affecting mainly preschool children (even though it used to be primary school children who were mainly affected). Your graph shows the highest # of cases to be about 225, in 2011. That's an increase from 2010, but a huge decrease from 1991.

To see any pattern, you need a longer view, since "spikes" are a fairly regular occurrence. Measles outbreaks have a cyclical incidence pattern, and that has always been the case.

At any rate, MMR vaccination coverage has been over 90% for some time, and Jenny McCarthy didn't change that.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
5. It's one thing to be a moron. These people are dangerous morons.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 02:13 AM
Jan 2014

That this whole movement is yet another symptom of social breakdown and obsession with the self over the community is clear enough to anyone not infected with this monumental stupidity.

TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
8. That, PLUS the rampant paranoia and distrust of 'government' and authority. In the old days, if
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 02:53 AM
Jan 2014

if people who'd spent their entire lives studying medicine told you it was in your best interests to be vaccinated, you'd trust both their sincerity and their expertise. These days, a significant portion of the population trust neither, and think it's all a 'conspiracy.'

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
11. Dont you dare try to connect the two!
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 03:07 AM
Jan 2014

The fact we have a government that doesn't respect our privacy or our constitutional rights, or the police that violate our rights constantly does not have ANYTHING to do with anti-vaccinations.

TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
14. The fact that government doesn't respect our privacy or our constitutional rights, and police
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 03:16 AM
Jan 2014

violate our rights has been going on for a century. Having a LARGE percentage of the population believe that healthcare professionals are involved in a conspiracy, and/or that scientists are faking evidence for political purposes....THAT'S NEW.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
7. Are all those un-vaccinated kids being home-schooled?
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 02:41 AM
Jan 2014

I don't know if it's different now, but they wouldn't let my kids in school without proof of vaccinations & booster updates.

brett_jv

(1,245 posts)
9. I dunno, but it's probably different now, because, you know ...
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 03:05 AM
Jan 2014

Freedumb ...

I will, say, though ... I'd sure like to understand why it ACTUALLY is that Autism has been on the rise ...

De Leonist

(225 posts)
23. They've forgotten two other things.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 03:58 AM
Jan 2014

A better ability to diagnose and population growth. There are a large number of children and adults who are better able to function because our better ability to detect neurodevelopmental disorders has improved. Also something to keep in mind a lot of the hoohaa over an Autism epidemic is fear-mongering by the anti-vacc crowd. Compared to the total world population the amount of people on the spectrum is pretty damn small.


EDIT: Also, I remember reading an article sometime ago that another contributing factor could the fact that a lot of the worlds' ancestors bred with Neanderthal. It was still in the Hypothesis stage though and I have yet to run into anything like it. So it wouldn't surprise me if it was just some random bored researcher's half-baked idea.

Hekate

(90,627 posts)
16. The amniotic fluid has become a soup of countless industrial chemicals
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 03:24 AM
Jan 2014

Several years ago I read it was somewhere in the neighborhood of 200-- wonder how much it is now? When I read that in the LA Times, it seemed to me that would be reason enough for the rise in such disorders as autism.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
21. It probably has less to do with external influences
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 03:43 AM
Jan 2014

and a lot more with advances in psychology and recognition of the disorder.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
18. In CA homeschooled kids have the same vaccine requirement as public or private schooled kids,
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 03:33 AM
Jan 2014

and the same easy opt out provision.

 

El_Johns

(1,805 posts)
22. MMR coverage of California children 19-35 mo was 94% in 2007.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 03:57 AM
Jan 2014

Coverage for children 2-4 years is 97%, Kindergarteners, 94%, 7th graders 95%.

"Personal beliefs exemption" was 1.6% 2007-08. It was about .6% in 1980 & .8% in 1987.

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/programs/immunize/Documents/ChildhoodImmunizationCoverageCA2006-08.pdf

The group with the lowest vaccine coverage is black children, & I doubt that has anything to do with Jenny McCarthy.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
24. +1
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 04:12 AM
Jan 2014

Thanks for your contributions to this thread, which though they have not been debunked have largely been ignored.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
25. The school by school exemption data tells a very different story.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 04:18 AM
Jan 2014

The highest opt out rates are in very wealthy, very white schools, particularly private Waldorf schools. Some of them have nearly universal opt outs.

Toddler compliance data can reflect shortages, difficulty scheduling appointments, etc and most of those kids will get caught up. The school exemption data better tracks opt outs and tells a very different demographic story.

 

El_Johns

(1,805 posts)
26. OK, CDC & Cal Dept of health are just a waste of the taxpayers' money. They don't know what's
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 04:24 AM
Jan 2014

happening even though the personal beliefs exemption is an official document.

Quick Fact: In 2012 the personal belief exemption became more restrictive in that there is an additional requirement of a signature from a health care practitioner to obtain the exemption. Effective Jan. 1, 2014 parents, guardians and empancipated minors must now obtain this additional signature when filing with the governing authority the necessary documents that state which vaccinations have not been given on the basis that they are contrary to his or her beliefs. When the law was amended for this change, Governor Brown also issued an executive order directing the health department to include a separate religious exemption on the new exemption form.

http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/state-vaccine-requirements/california.aspx


Or...maybe there just aren't that many "very wealthy schools" when compared to the general population.

That's why they call it the 1%.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
27. The subthread was about school admission requirements and you're posting data about toddlers.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 04:31 AM
Jan 2014

That is a non sequitur.

edit: Here are the opt out data. http://blogs.kqed.org/stateofhealth/2013/09/06/more-california-parents-opting-out-of-vaccines-look-up-your-school-online/ The schools with the highest opts outs are in Napa, Santa Barbara, Sebastopol, Sausalito, are we noticing a theme here?

 

El_Johns

(1,805 posts)
28. I posted data about children up to 7th grade.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 04:40 AM
Jan 2014

The data on opt out comes from Cal Dept of Health, the reporting agency.

"By contrast, San Francisco County’s PBE rate is 1.33 percent, and Los Angeles County’s rate is 1.88 percent...More than 90 percent of kindergarteners in the state start school fully immunized."

I guess I don't understand what your beef is? Are you saying that the true rate statewide is higher, or are you saying there are higher rates in some areas?

I understood you to be saying the first, but maybe you meant the second. In that case, no argument, but I don't see the special significance, as it has always been the case, for various reasons.

And to be even more clear, the data I posted is specific to MMR vaccine: measles, mumps, rubella.

Coverage for all schools is 92.7% from your own data, and 88.2% for private schools.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
30. Marin county's exemption rate is 7.8% The very data you're posting show that you're wrong.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 04:49 AM
Jan 2014

California has significant pockets of non-compliance and they're disproportionately prosperous and white. This is a problem of misinformation, not one of poverty.

 

El_Johns

(1,805 posts)
31. But those prosperous white people aren't sufficiently numerous to affect total rates much.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 05:21 AM
Jan 2014

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/programs/immunize/Documents/2012-2013%20CA%20Kindergarten%20Immunization%20Assessment.pdf

Public school rates for MMR = 93.2%. Private school = 88.2%. State total = 92.7%

So private schools drop the overall total half a percentage point.

You're right though, the data on page 5 showing blacks having the lowest coverage is for pre-kindergarten vaccinations. Presumably that gap closes somewhat by school age.

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/programs/immunize/Documents/ChildhoodImmunizationCoverageCA2006-08.pdf







brett_jv

(1,245 posts)
15. Hadn't heard that name, so I looked it up ...
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 03:17 AM
Jan 2014
http://www.medicinenet.com/cre_bacteria_infection_carbapenem-resistant_enter/views.htm

Turned out to not be anything I wasn't familiar with, but found it somewhat amusing how the article tries to dance around discussing the fact that EVOLUTION is taking place here ... and rather makes it sound like it's all a master plan of the evil bacteria to become resistant to antibiotics ... lol ...

dem in texas

(2,673 posts)
29. Whooping Cough Outbreak in North Texas
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 04:45 AM
Jan 2014

There was a localized outbreak of whooping in the Dallas-Ft. Worth area last year. It started in a church where the members home schooled their children and did not believe in getting vaccinations. One of the members had visited an undeveloped country and brought the whooping cough back. It spread through the church's children and to one of their associated church's children before it was brought under control by immunizing all the children at the two churches.

longship

(40,416 posts)
32. Jenny McCarthy should go back to picking boogers on MTV.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 06:09 AM
Jan 2014

Or better yet, Indigo mom, Jenny, claiming crystal child status for her son.

Read about it here.

But now it's all about the vaccines.

Jenny McCarthy is a babbling idiot.

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