So,last night we find out there was a SECOND CHEMICAL that was spilled Into our WV

[Saboburns]

Water two weeks ago.

At Freedom Industries Bankrupcy hearing in Charleston, WV, Freedom Industries officials admitted that there was a second chemical in that tank. Something called PCH. Whatever the hell that is.

This has just now come to light. As of now the official word is, "We are waiting on the CDC to get backto us, and the National Guard is out again testing our water".

Thankfully our water is still so fouled very few people have been using it even after the all clear.

Sigh...

[Uben]

1. For those responsible for the spill.....

...they should go to prison for life. They were willing to risk the lives of millions of people for their own wealth enhancement. To me, that is a crime that cannot be allowed...ever! People have to accept responsibility for their actions, and if you get greedy, you pay....severely!

[Half-Century Man]

2. A quick two possible canidates for "PCH"

Both off of duckduckgo
Bad shit, a lot of benzine in it.
http://www.chemindustry.com/chemicals/08341.html
Seems to be used in metal refining of fracking.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/155127704/Chemical-Name

These might not be the correct chemicals for the "PCH" named in the post.

[Saboburns]

5. Hey Thanks

The astounding thing, to me anyway, is that this info only came to light after yesterday's Bankruptcy Hearing. I find that preposterous.

[hootinholler]

3. PCH - insidious stuff

Those bastards spam mailboxes all over the nation selling cut rate magazine subscriptions to people who think they will win a lot of money.

What? It's not Publisher's Clearing House?


Nevermind.

[valerief]

4. PPH

http://wvmetronews.com/2014/01/21/freedom-says-second-chemical-in-tank-that-leaked/

[Saboburns]

6. Oh shit, I mis-spelled it. It's PPH

Thanks.

[greiner3]

27. In response Gov. Tomlin said;

"Gov. Earl Ray Tomblin criticized Freedom Industries Tuesday night for not telling the state sooner.

“This is totally unacceptable and Freedom should be held accountable for their actions,” the governor said."

WTF????????????????????????????




What's that line from a Cheech and Chong movie/routine;

"Take him out back and whack his pee-pee."

[exboyfil]

7. Do you have a source?

[jakeXT]

8. And what are the other 5 possible candidates ?

To make matters worse, the standards set by the CDC are not based off Crude MCHM, but rather a pure form of MCHM. Since the Crude MCHM mixture is actually composed of a combination of seven total ingredients, it’s possible that the safety tests don’t adequately account for the potential danger of the other chemicals.

http://rt.com/usa/west-virginia-chemical-spill-water-911/

[magical thyme]

9. MSDS for PPH

http://www.sfm.state.or.us/CR2K_SubDB/MSDS/DOWANOL_PPH_GLYCOL_ETHER.PDF

[Berlum]

10. "We are not responsible. Clean your own damn water." - FreeDumb Industries, Inc. (R)

"Suck it up proles. We are Republicons and we just don't do that responsibility shit. It's not one of our -- smirk -- values. Ha ha. Sneer." - FreeDumb Industries, Inc. (R)

[toddwv]

28. Actually, that's pretty much what the Governor said...

"It's your decision," the governor told reporters during a news conference at the Capitol. "If you do not feel comfortable drinking or cooking with this water, then use bottled water."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/01/21/1271355/-West-Virginia-governor-It-s-your-decision-whether-to-drink-water

[Berlum]

29. Stunning. Republicons crap all over everyone, then tell them to clean it up

No wonder Republicons have lost the respect of the American people.

[ProfessorGAC]

11. I Knew It

As i stated in other threads here about the spill, the coloration of the water was highly suspicious.

The originally reported chemical is a water white solvent and would not have discolored people's water supply.

Glycol ethers, especially if they're reclaimed, have the potential to undergo peroxidation at the ether lnkage a cyclize into larger molecules. The internal energy released at the molecular level has a tendency to impart color, particularly reds and yellows. That explains the orange water.
GAC

[Saboburns]

12. Exactly

Sooooo many Facebook pics of amber colored water, I thought the MHDH waas clear. So I kind of wondered what else was up.

[Octafish]

13. What does PPH -- "DOWANOL'' -- do to people?

What DOW says it does for better profits:

DOWANOL™ PPh is a slow evaporating, very hydrophobic glycol ether. With its aromatic structure, this product is an excellent match for phenolic coatings and linings; it is also an excellent coalescent for acrylic-based latexes. DOWANOL PPh also offers excellent performance benefits as a dye solubilizer and carrier in dyeing applications, and it has superior viscosity reduction properties in metalworking fluids.

SOURCE: http://www.dow.com/products/market/infrastructure/product-line/dowanol/product/dowanol-pph-glycol-ether/

It doesn't necessarily make life better for children, especially young ones:

Reproductive & Fetal Effects; Liver & Kidney Damage; Blood Damage NFPA Rating Health #2 source - EPA study

Kidney damage; Central Nervous System effects
NFPA Rating Health #1

SOURCE: http://www.valdezlink.com/pages/2-b_synonyms_compare.htm

[marble falls]

14. Maybe a couple a glasses of "water" will loosen their tongues. Hopefully not so loose so as ...

to make their tongues fall off.

[Dustlawyer]

15. These companies, in order to operate, must be made to maintain significant insurance to cover the

risks of harm their operations can cause. As a mass torts attorney, too frequently do I see minimum coverage and the shell company file bankruptcy. If they had to maintain coverage, they would have moved these tanks long ago and would not let them get in really bad shape. The rise in premiums hurt their bottom line so they watch it. Also, the insurance carriers would have someone inspect everytime it came time for renewal! Not fool proof, but much, much better!

[gvstn]

24. This really should be the law.

I'm surprised that a company that provides a service with known risks to the environment can have little or no insurance. One would think all the Superfund sites around the country would have taught us something. http://www.epa.gov/reg3hwmd/super/allnpl.htm

[Sunlei]

16. Has anyone sent water samples to an independent lab?

Be interesting to check results of what exactly is in the water from the tap and from the river from other labs.

[KansDem]

18. Glub, glub,...we don't need...glub, glub,...any independent...glub, glub...

...lab analysis...glub, glub...

[Sunlei]

23. TV pics like the industry did when they ate the pink slime or used a 'sniff test' on gulf shrimp.

But it took regular citizens using independent labs to DNA test 'beef' and expose it wasn't all beef. Then the industry gets in trouble.

I don't understand why regular people don't do independent tests. They should get the same results

[another_liberal]

17. The CDC says PPH, ". . . does not suggest any new health concerns."

They should have added, "The already present health concerns are still quite gut-wrenching enough."

[alato]

19. you, as an american,

have the right to consume water or not. it's your choice!!

[Sienna86]

20. Where are you getting water?

Is it delivered to you, do you have to go out and buy it? How do you get enough water for laundry and bathing?

From far away, I do not see your elected leaders coming forward with guidance and help. Do you see that in WV?

[spike91nz]

21. Might well be Planar Chlorinated Hydrocarbons, I believe that includes PCBs and some other nasties

http://www.usask.ca/toxicology/jgiesy/pdf/publications/JA-092.pdf

Would be nice to be informed as to why they might be employing PCHs in any coal processing.

[TBF]

22. I wouldn't use it -

at least not without boiling it and I'm not sure that would even be enough. Is Red Cross helping? I had tentatively decided to send them a donation on Feb. 1st - in your view have they been helping the communities? We've got a lot of this nonsense down in Texas too and I really feel for you guys.

[CFLDem]

25. So who's going to jail for this?

I wish that wasn't rhetorical.

[upaloopa]

26. Why is there a conservative no regulation mind set

of the electors of WV. Will this spill open minds?

[Petrushka]

30. K & R