The USA map as it looks to New Yorkers (NYC)

[BadGimp]

[okaawhatever]

1. I wish I could make the image larger, I can't read the info for the states around NYC. nt

[Bonx]

2. You're not missing much. -nt

[BadGimp]

4. I use CTRL or COMMAND + or - to enlarge any screen

should work on yours

PC = CTRL + to increase, CTRL - to Decrease page size

MAC = COMMAND + or -

[okaawhatever]

5. Thank you for that. I'm so dense, I wasn't thinking about increasing the size of the total page, duh

I was thinking of increasing the size of the pic only. Double duh.

[pokerfan]

8. Here's a larger version

[freshwest]

158. Oooh, much better! We need you on every thread. Tired of having to do them on my desktop. n/t

[pokerfan]

174. I can't be everywhere

Reverse Google Image Search is a handy tool. Go here, click on the camera icon and paste the url of the image and you get this. You can even upload saved images.

[freshwest]

175. Oops, got the 'your browser is not supported' message. Have to keep doing as I do now.

Typed in search at google images:

plane hits empire state building

It yielded a website with this photo:



Thanks, anyway.

[treestar]

193. Looks like Delaware escaped any characterization

Or it's just too small and dull to exist!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

82. Gee,...I just hit the "windows key" and roll my mouse wheel...

The entire screen zooms.

But then, I'm on Linux.

[RKP5637]

148. +++ 1,000,000 +++ n/t

[Go Vols]

170. Same on Win7

except its ctrl and mouse wheel.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

171. That just zooms the browser. In Linux you can zoom the whole desktop....

Plus Linux gives you more than one desktop.



You can zoom them out and rotate them on a 3d cube.

[KamaAina]

3. They seem to have advanced somewhat since this one

[geek tragedy]

6. Or, the map of the USA as non-New Yorkers imagine that New Yorkers see it.

Most residents of NYC were not even born in New York state.

[hfojvt]

18. hard to tell

wiki says 37% of NYCers are foreign born. The other 63%? I gotta believe a lot of them were born in NYC. But there's probably swirling in the metro area. With NYCers going to Boston or Providence or Philadelphia or Baltimore-DC and vice versa.

[geek tragedy]

26. Another 15% were born outside New York State.

So about 52% were born in NY State. Most likely more from Queens than Buffalo, but it's still a very diverse city where you'll find someone from everywhere.

[7962]

53. Thats why Atlanta has such crappy fan support; everybody's from somewhere else!

Go to any baseball or football game and see nearly as many jerseys for the other team.

[MADem]

79. I have Beantown-born family in Queens...!

And of course, the summer vacationers and the "leaf pee-pahs" from NY are all over New England at certain times of year!

[Vashta Nerada]

7. I'm from Minnesota and that's how I view the South.

[Bonx]

10. Good to hear. Hateful stereotypes are fun ! -nt

[Vashta Nerada]

11. Hateful?

It's not hateful if it's (mostly) true.

[B2G]

13. Sure it is...

We're all a bunch of racist, pig humping hillbillies down here.

Bless your little heart.

[Vashta Nerada]

16. I didn't say all.

I said most.

[ChazII]

23. Not true for Arizona.

[B2G]

25. Well seeing as how your from Minnesota,

I guess you're the expert on life in the South.

[Vashta Nerada]

42. Little touchy, aren't we?

Are you in denial about the South?

[B2G]

47. How many times have you actually visited the South?

What cities? What decade?

Hmmm?

[Dawgs]

49. It's not denial if you base things on fact..which you clearly don't. n/t

[jeff47]

31. Yeah, that's why Obama won NC in 2008

'Cause most NC'inans are massive racists that voted for the black guy.

Keep dumping on the folks trying to change the situation. It's very helpful.

[obxhead]

38. And VA

I get so sick of these broad brush attacks based on location.

If such a map were posted about race or sexual orientation it would be locked and deleted instantly.

As a southerner that has spent a lifetime fighting for Dems I find it particularly offensive that this continues unchecked on DU.

[Vashta Nerada]

43. Apparently there's a definition problem between "most" and "all".

[B2G]

50. If I were to post a thread,

that proposed that 'most blacks' or 'most gays' possessed unflattering attributes, how long do you think that thread, or me for that matter, would last around here?

Quit being purposely obtuse.

[Vashta Nerada]

51. Yeah, how many southern states allow gay marriage?

[B2G]

57. Considering only 17 states allow it in total

I'd say that's one hell of a stellar argument you have there.

[Vashta Nerada]

60. All the Southern states ban gay marriage.

So...you're argument is invalid.

[B2G]

61. Vast swatches of the country ban it

In know math is hard, but...

[Vashta Nerada]

62. It's legal in Northern states.

Hmmmm.

[Dawgs]

66. So many Northern states have knuckle dragging Republican governors.

You lose again.

[Vashta Nerada]

69. At least our states didn't vote to ban gay marriage.

[Dawgs]

73. No, you just voted for Governors that banned them. n/t

[jeff47]

84. "your states" include your neighboring states that did. (nt)

[B2G]

70. Yeah, it's just the south

[NealK]

153. Alaska is really cold for a southern state.

[jeff47]

75. Northern states like ID, MT, ND, SD, IA, OH, PA.........? (nt)

[uppityperson]

186. No, they don't. New Mexico for instance and it is very southern

[yardwork]

127. As a gay person living in the south, I would ask you to leave us out of your argument.

Yes, the southeast has problems, but it's not helpful to bash entire regions, and using gay rights as a football to make a bigoted point is offensive to us gay folk. Thanks for understanding.

[Jamastiene]

138. I will second that.

Very well said. Thank you.

[yardwork]

146. Thanks! Nice to see you, Jama. I hope that you are doing well.

[RKP5637]

150. Well said!!!!!! n/t

[cordelia]

168. Thank you - very well said.

I always enjoy and appreciate your contributions.

[yardwork]

191. Why, thank you!

[pecwae]

192. How strange that you

never received any acknowledgment of your request. Then again, maybe it isn't.

Good post, good point, nicely done.

[jeff47]

55. Nope, the winner of an election is the one who gets most of the votes.

So if "most" southerners are massive racists, how come Obama won the state?

OMG!!!! YOU FOUND PROOF OF VOTER FRAUD!!!!!!!!!

[B2G]

65. As do you, my friend

Guess I'm about to find out what the ignore function is all about.

[jeff47]

72. Not nearly as much as Minnesota sucks.

The place is a fetid swamp that freezes for 9 months every year and has 300% humidity the 3 months it isn't frozen.

And it's full of people who love Michelle Bachman and think exactly like her.

(In case you couldn't tell, this is an attempt to help you notice your cranial-rectal inversion. Someone who didn't have that condition would realize that regionalism is a really, really stupid thing to take seriously.)

[Vashta Nerada]

74. Minnesota does suck.

Most of us here agree with that assessment.

[11 Bravo]

101. Time to rein it in, Sparky. One more hide in the near future and you'll be taking a vacation.

[Jenoch]

120. I know you will not be responding,

but as a Minnesotan myself, I would not mind it if you never again identified yourself as a Minnesotan on DU.

[cordelia]

167. No. Minnesota does not suck. So you're wrong. Again.

As usual.

The South doesn't suck either.

The Plains States don't suck.

The Pacific Northwest doesn't suck.

The Northeast doesn't suck.

Nowhere sucks.

Divisive and bigoted statements do suck, no matter who makes them.

[LukeFL]

154. Don't pay attention to them. The south

Although beautiful- it's filled with hateful people and that's why we can't win national elections, pass gay marriage, have unions jobs, etc etc etc etc-- education? Let's not go there- the south is like watching a cowboy movie but in real live..there. Yes, we won NC and VA but they were a very closed call and because Obama had a tremendous GOTV effort - his campaign counted on MINORITY, WOMEN and blacks to make the difference- the whites ( not all) were not going to come to us.

So I do agree with your statement. Make it and move on. There will always be whiners in DU.

[7962]

59. No, you said "I'm from Minnesota and that's how I view the South"

Where's the "most"? And even that's wrong anyway.

[wilt the stilt]

83. bless your heart translated

go fuck yourself

[Bonx]

14. It's not mostly true & it is hateful.

Why are you being such an a-hole ?

[Vashta Nerada]

17. Because it's true.

The South is holding back the rest of the country.

[Dawgs]

35. Minnesota, the state that elected the dumbest member of Congress (Michelle Bachmann).

Yeah, we're holding you back.

And, how about those non-Southern states like NJ, PA, OH, WI (next to Minnesota), IN, and MI - ALL WITH REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS.

[Vashta Nerada]

41. Yeah, but MN doesn't have bigoted racists as the majority of its population.

So...argument invalid.

And MN 6th voted in Bachmann, not the whole state.

[Dawgs]

46. Are you fucking serious? The 'majority of the South is bigoted racists' and you're not from here.

Wow. Might be one of the dumbest things I've ever read on DU.

And, one Bachmann (still Minnesota) equals 10 of ours.

[Vashta Nerada]

48. If it's one of the dumbest things you've read on DU, you don't read much.

[Dawgs]

56. Read plenty. Been here since 2004.

And why is it now that you have a problem with accuracy? Nothing you have said in this thread has been close to anything meaningful or true.

[7962]

63. OK, I'll give you that one. nt

[wilt the stilt]

88. Paul Broun, Phil Gingrey, Jack Kingston

do I need to continue?

[Dawgs]

147. Do you need to continue what? There are dumbass Republicans everywhere.

The point is that they are not all in the South.

[wilt the stilt]

151. you cited Michelle Bachman

so by logic you started to single a specific person out. We and many states have stupid people representing them and some of them are democrats. That being said Minnesota has a greater history of liberalism in their state with such great people as Hubert Humphrey. Georgia has never been a beacon of liberalism.

[Dawgs]

165. Who claimed that Goergia or the South was a "beacon of liberalism"?

And, the disagreement was with a DUer that claimed the MAJORITY of people in the South are stupid racist pigs.

In Minnesota, Obama got just over 52% of the vote. He got just just over 45% in Georgia. Hardly a great difference.

BTW, Jimmy Carter is from Georgia, and FDR spent much of his time here.

http://gastateparks.org/LittleWhiteHouse

During FDR’s presidency and the Great Depression, he developed many New Deal Programs (such as the Rural Electrification Administration) based upon his experiences in this small town (Warm Springs, Georgia).

[wilt the stilt]

172. spending time here in GA LOL

FDR was a NEW YORKER. We went down to Warm Springs with my Mom before she passed away from cancer. She loved FDR and his speeches over the radio. So I have been there.
Georgia is not filled with racists but the one thing that has always bothered me here is the lack of intellectual curiosity and I have lived in many places.
That is actually the entire south that is like that.e To me the south is the most provincial area in the country and maintains a separation from the country. They put their region before the rest of the country and what has always made me laugh is when Southerners tell everyone that the area is the most beautiful and most of the time they have done little travelling in the country.

When I hear someone tell me that the Smoky Mts are "so beautiful" I laugh. I always say go to Glacier park.

I have hiked extensively in the south and also the west and brother there is no comparison.

People in the rest of the country tend to move but by and large southerners do not relocate from the south.

[Dawgs]

173. Interesting you ignore my mention of Jimmy Carter.

FDR liked, and was inspired, by Georgia. You can't change that. And I never said he was from Georgia.

I grew up in Toledo Ohio, so I know just as much as anyone regarding how the North and South are different. Racism and voting against ones best interest is a problem in both places.

BTW, where did you live in the South?

I agree with you regarding beauty. The West is more beautiful than the South. Of course I would never make that claim. As a matter of fact, I have never heard any of my Southern neighbors make that claim. Hmm, interesting that you have.

[wilt the stilt]

176. I live in Norcross

and I covered all of rural Georgia for Max factor and also selling cash registers. My cash registers are in almost every Dairy Queen in Georgia. Next time you stop into the one in Dalton those are mine. Same with Powder Springs. I used to go into the West end and all the African American neighborhoods to sell cash registers. You want to know why. No one else did. I had a captive audience. I'm a minority myself.

Jimmy is a moderate. I was here before the renamed Jimmy carter Blvd.

[Dawgs]

179. "I live in Norcross" would have been enough. n/t

[cordelia]

180. "lack of intellectual curiosity" ?

Seriously?

The "entire" South?

You wield a very broad brush.

The Smoky Mountains are beautiful; so is Glacier National Park. What's your point? You detest Southerners, obviously, and you have to resort to belittling the landscape, too?

Wow.

[wilt the stilt]

183. Smokies are ok

I don't belittle it I just think it's funny that they are held up as something special. I am much more a western person with the great vistas. I am sure I have camped in more places in the south than you have. What I mean by intellectual curiosity is you have a much more robust dialogue in other parts of the country like NY, Boston, SF.

Atlanta and most of the south is just really separate from the rest of the country. It has carried on from the revolutionary war on and the same issues that divided us in the Civil war divides us today.

Neil Boortz is held up a some kind of intellectual heavyweight down here and they even had a going away party for him at the Fox. Neil Boortz and intellectual are two words that don't belong in the same sentence.

[enlightenment]

68. Come on now.

33 states ban gay marriage. They're not all in the South.


26 by Constitutional Amendment and State Law
Alabama (2006, 1998), Alaska (1998, 1996), Arizona (2008, 1996), Arkansas (2004, 1997), Colorado (2006, 2000), Florida (2008, 1997), Georgia (2004, 1996), Idaho (2006, 1996), Kansas (2005, 1996), Kentucky (2004, 1998), Louisiana (2004, 1999), Michigan (2004, 1996), Mississippi (2004, 1997), Missouri (2004, 1996), Montana (2004, 1997), North Carolina (2012, 1995), North Dakota (2004, 1997), Ohio (2004, 2004), Oklahoma (2004, 1996), South Carolina (2006, 1996), South Dakota (2006, 1996), Tennessee (2006, 1996), Texas (2005, 1997), Utah (2004, 1997), Virginia (2006, 1997), Wisconsin (2006, 1979)

3 by Constitutional Amendment only
Nebraska (2000), Nevada (2002), Oregon (2004)

4 by State Law only
Indiana (1997), Pennsylvania (1996), West Virginia (2000), Wyoming (2003)
http://gaymarriage.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004857

[Vashta Nerada]

71. C'mon.

Every southern state is on that list.

[Dawgs]

76. So it's not just the Southern states that are racist pigs. It's all but 17. Nice. n/t

[enlightenment]

81. And many others, as well.

So it is pretty disingenuous for you to claim that the South is keeping the US from advancing.

Keep on playing that card if you like. It doesn't change the fact that you are singling out a region instead of addressing facts.

[uppityperson]

185. New Mexico is not.

[former9thward]

15. Minnesota -- so nice and so naive.

Yes, you are right the map is very accurate.

[Bonx]

20. They got the naive part right.

[aikoaiko]

166. B2G, you can't expect much from Bachmann freaks.

They are not discerning.





eta: see how that works, Vashta.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

78. I'm from Minnesota too, and that's not how I view the South.

I recognize that there are pockets of bigotry and racism in the South, and people who've never recovered from the Civil War, but there are pockets of bigotry and racism here, too - and not just in the 6th Congressional District. Remember the woman at the McCain rally in '08 who ranted about Obama being a Muslim? That took place in Lakeville, a suburb of Minneapolis. There are some very right-wing folks in the 'burbs; Bachmann isn't the only lunatic. We are fortunate to have a Dem governor and legislature now, but that was a damn close call. And maybe there aren't as many wingnut fundie churches, but there are some. So on behalf of Minnesota, I apologize for the unfortunate broad-brush remarks made about the South.

[B2G]

102. Great post. Thank you! nt

[Jamastiene]

142. Thank you.

[Hippo_Tron]

156. Yep, there's a cultural divide verywhere

The problem with the South is that it doesn't have enough of an urban population for the sane forces to typically be able to win a majority. That's changing in Virginia, and North Carolina and Georgia to some extent.

[uppityperson]

184. thank you for stating so clearly what has only been implied before.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

9. I like this one better

[struggle4progress]

126. +

It's a classic

[underpants]

12. Very funny

[hrmjustin]

19. I am curious what non-NYers think of our fair city.

[Bonx]

21. Mostly, we don't.

[hrmjustin]

22. Well I can tell you if you think about us think up a warm front for us.

[NutmegYankee]

103. Ask Pat Robertson.

I'm sure he can pray the the northeast gets cast into hellfire or something similar. Hey, at least it would be warm!

[hrmjustin]

110. .

[ChazII]

133. You got it, hrmjustin.

Right now I am getting ready to go to the grocery store. I am in jeans, a short sleeve t-shirt and tennis shoes. Just finished a glass of lemonade as it is 80 degrees here in Phoenix.

[hrmjustin]

137. 14 degrees with 12 inches of snow.

[ChazII]

139. Believe when I say

if I could send some of our sunshine your way, I would in a heart beat. While 80 isn't hot it would be nice to be in our high 60's or low 70's. Take care, stay safe and as warm as possible.

[hrmjustin]

141. Thanks my friend.

[OKNancy]

29. My sister, an Okie has lived in Manhattan for 30+ years

so I love her. BTW, an Okie who has made her name in the dance world.
Otherwise a lot of you are perceived as snobs, with no reason to be.

[hrmjustin]

30. We have our fair share of snobs.

Btw I am glad you signed up today. My 2 terms end next week.

[ErikJ]

40. 2 thumbs up! Supposedly the Greenest city in the nation!

Most people in NYC dont even own a car and dont need one as public transport is excellent. Subways and buses everywhere. Most people live in apts. or condos which save trememndous amount of energy for heating and cooling.
NYC is the biggest tourist destination in the US.

[Squinch]

85. Hrmjustin, what I am noticing here is that you, a New Yorker,

are the most polite and pleasant contributor to this thread.

Ironic, no?

[hrmjustin]

89. Lol!

[Squinch]

91. .

[redqueen]

121. I absolutely LOVE IT!

Didn't expect to. Wasn't in a hurry to visit. I thought a vacation there was cliche, but my boyfriend talked me into it and OMG, I fell in love. We had such an amazing time that we went back again the next year.

[wercal]

128. I think its an amazing city, and there is nothing else like it on earth

Having said that, I always found it 'cute' that so many New Yorkers are so dismissive of the rest of the country. They think we're the ignorant yokels...and, well I just think its funny that they do. Not particularly offended by it - just amused.

I don't think I could ever live there - just wouldn't be cut out for it. But its a great city.

[yardwork]

130. I love New York and I think that New Yorkers are very nice people.

I don't know that most New Yorkers view the rest of the country in such negative terms. Whenever I've visited NYC everybody has been very nice and helpful and not judgmental at all. That's been my experience, anyway.

I'm not surprised to hear that you are from NYC. You are one of the nicest - if not the nicest - people on DU, hrmjustin.

[hrmjustin]

136. Thank you yardwork!

People are surprised by how nice NYers really are.

[Boom Sound 416]

24. ...

[La Lioness Priyanka]

27. LOL. not so far off from the truth.

[Kablooie]

28. Wouldn't "Never heard of it." be "blue meth capital" nowadays?

[siligut]

160. LOL, yes, considering that the rest of the map is made-up of media-conceived ideas

[Pretzel_Warrior]

32. lol. I can see that.

[seveneyes]

33. Maybe it's from breathing exhaust fumes 24 x 7

If most NYC people were treated like they treat outsiders visiting their city, they would never leave their concrete jungle prison.

[geek tragedy]

90. Listen to yourself. nt

[NoGOPZone]

125. i've always been treated well there

I once met a group of residents at a midtown restaurant and partied with them for several hours. Maybe it's you

[leftynyc]

161. Have you ever been to NYC?

I'm curious where you got the idea we don't treat our tourists well.

[seveneyes]

162. It's likely better now

I was there only once in the 80's. Young, naive and taken advantage of. Most likely an expectation mistake on my part.

[leftynyc]

164. I always tell tourists the same thing

NYers are the friendliest people you'll ever find, we'll help you get to where you want to get, give you recommendations on food or plays and such. Just realize we are always in a hurry (don't know why, we just are). I've had countless tourists in my 53 years here say how surprised they were that we were so friendly when all they hear are nightmare stories. I have no idea how we got that reputation but I suspect it's mostly from people who have never been here.

[oberliner]

34. This has never been funny

No matter how many times it gets reproduced.

[Scootaloo]

106. ...

[BlueCaliDem]

36. Yep. From the few New Yorkers I've met here in SoCal,

they really do believe California is "LaLaLand".

[redqueen]

123. The CA natives and transplants I know all consider it LaLaLand, down to a one.

[jmowreader]

37. Now isn't that just reverse classist as hell

The person who made that almost certainly hasn't ever been to NYC.

If a real New Yorker - not one of the brazillion NYC residents who moved there, but someone whose parents and grandparents were born in NYC - were to draw this map, they'd put the point of a compass on any Manhattan landmark and draw a circle that enclosed the ports of New Jersey, and label that "New York." They would then label the rest of the country "Not New York." New York goes out that far because millions of people with deep ties to the city live across the river because it's cheaper.

[blkmusclmachine]

39. HA

[Blue_In_AK]

44. And Alaska and Hawaii don't exist.

That sounds about right.

[mimi85]

45. Thank you grandparents and in-laws

for moving to California. His from Yonkers in the '50s; mine from North Dakota and Minnesota in the 30s

There is so much wrong here, but it's nice living an hour from the beach and an hour from the mountains. And 45 minutes to LA and 45 minutes to San Diego. Ha, I still smile (although I've heard it dozens of times) how my husband - then around 5 - threw his little brother's shirt out the window of the car saying he won't be needing it anymore, it's so warm. He remembers the bags that you filled with water and hung over the front of the car to (hopefully) keep it cool.

When he (my husband John) got here he had never seen a palm tree or a cactus or an avocado. Hated melted cheese. Wouldn't eat them until we got married. That's when I used to cook and I told him he'd starve if he didn't eat lasagna or guacamole. Didn't know how to cook much then and don't even bother now. He's been back to NYC only once and had the best time - I'd love to go now, but shitty health forbids it. Oh well, I've had a pretty good life up to now so can't complain too much. Did make it to Boston - so cool, except for what have to be the rudest drivers on earth!

I do remember in elementary school how rare it was then to be a native Californian. Grew up mostly in O.C., left in 1970 and never looked back. We had one well-to-do Latino family, one Asian-American kid and a black kid who tried dying his hair blonde to "fit-in." Sad, only saw him for a year or two in high school, then he was gone. How I ended up being as liberal as I am is still a mystery. One wonderful Jewish girl in elementary school who was bullied for absolutely nothing. I remember going to the principal's office to bitch about how the other kid's treated her. She still remembers it. I read an article (wish I could remember where), that says there is some proof that we actually have "liberal" or "conservative" genes. Not sure I buy that, but found it interesting.

Sorry for the mini diary. Too much coffee methinks. Carry on.

[wilt the stilt]

94. I'm from Yonkers

do you know wher he was from yonkers?

[dorkzilla]

122. Even though I lived in the Bronx, I was born at Cross County Hospital…remember that one?

Now its a mall.

[wilt the stilt]

152. The first outside mall in the country,

[Lex]

52. Evidently New Yorkers don't know how to properly use apostrophes. nt

[freshwest]

159. I think it's an old map, before the apostrophe was invented...

[Aldo Leopold]

54. LOL!

Have to confess, that's largely how I see it too.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

64. I do think at times that is what Arizonians think of Missouri.

1 out of ten roughly, when they ask where I am from (due to sometimes going into my Ozark accent), say "Where?"

[ChazII]

144. This Arizonan

(not Arizonian) this Missouri is a great state. I don't understand why those who live in other states pronounce it Missourizee while the residents pronounce it with the 'a' sound like in above.

[jsr]

67. How people who live like rats think of people who have driveways

[geek tragedy]

87. Oy. We have a backyard, are within a ten

minute walk to restaurants representing a dozen types of restaurant, multiple forms of public transportation, a major art museum, and a botanical garden.

Would all of that fit in your driveway?

[NutmegYankee]

104. No.

But I have this awesome machine that fits in my driveway that can take me to all of those places. And I get to enjoy wilderness!

[geek tragedy]

107. Glad you enjoy driving everywhere worth going. But, the suburbs are not for everyone. nt

[NutmegYankee]

109. I don't live in the suburbs.

[geek tragedy]

112. You live in Connecticut, no? Maybe exurbs then nt

[NutmegYankee]

114. Eastern CT has a lot of rural sections.

Funny how you seem to think we are a suburb of NYC. I'm closer to Boston than NYC.

[geek tragedy]

117. I've been through and stayed in CT a number of times.

I have never been to the part you live in, the thriving multicultural area with major cultural institutions nearby, yet rural and set in wilderness.

[NutmegYankee]

119. Obviously you haven't.

Love the stereotypes about Conn. Unintentional irony.

[geek tragedy]

124. no, just doubting your story that your community is perfect in every way and has

every possible attribute anyone could want--all the cultural opportunities of New York with the wilderness of the Grand Teton. Plus, malls.

[NutmegYankee]

129. Heh. Keep grasping for the straws.

While you overreach, the irony that you can't accept that not all of CT is covered by NY suburbs continues. You wonder why people think you are cultural snobs in another post? Go back and read your last response.

[geek tragedy]

132. I am perfectly aware that not all of CT is a commuter community for NYC.

But, remember you interjected yourself into this discussion by bragging up your community as having all of the advantages of living in a big city with none of the drawbacks, in a rural area, with wilderness, and major art museums, etc etc.

Your point being that there was nothing that living in a city could offer that one could not find in rural Connecticut.

Having spent much time with relatives in Farmington, I find this claim to be dubious.

To put it another way, what drawbacks are there to living in rural Connecticut? Are there any, or have you found Shangri-La, with malls.

[NutmegYankee]

134. I said I could get there with a car.

Obviously you failed to read that in my first response. I just took offense to the rather typical NYC attitude that Conn. is a suburb.

[geek tragedy]

135. well, New Yorkers can get to wilderness by train.

Not sure what you were proving--heck, you can drive to the Golden Gate Bridge or Mexico by that logic.

[NutmegYankee]

140. God you miss the point.

I live in a rural area, so I get to enjoy that every day. I was trying to do a tongue-in-cheek response to your comment about the other things you listed that are within walking distance. *sigh*

[geek tragedy]

145. and you apparently missed the point that

we actually live pretty well in NYC, not like 'rats'

[Squinch]

80. From this thread I am getting the idea that a lot of people who have never been to New

York have formulated some very strong opinions about New York. Completely baseless, but very strong.

[Lex]

92. Then it's perfectly in balance with the map

"a lot of people who have never been to ______ have formulated some very strong opinions about ______"

[Squinch]

93. I see ignorant statements about other regions in this thread, but I don't get the impression they

are from New Yorkers.

[Lex]

98. The map. The map is supposed to represent what New Yorkers think about

the rest of the country. And people are responding to what New Yorkers think vis a vis the map.

[geek tragedy]

100. to be clear, people are responding to what some person on the internet

decided to claim what New Yorkers think.

[Lex]

113. What!

It's not a scientific representation of what all New Yorkers think?

[Squinch]

115. And people are making gratuitously nasty comments, not only about New York but about the South too.

So I guess that's humor to some.

[geek tragedy]

96. Well, there's a pissing match between midwesterners and southerners in this thread, but

that really doesn't prove anything about New Yorkers.

[Lex]

97. Okay, the map itself is supposed to represent

what New Yorkers think about the rest of the country, right? That's why I said, "in balance with the map."

[geek tragedy]

99. except that it doesn't, it represents how people imagine new yorkers think.

it's someone projecting their own prejudices and beliefs onto New York.

Doubly so, since this article presumes that the average New Yorker is a cultural snob.

[Madam Mossfern]

108. I grew up in Brooklyn and Queens

and lived for over ten years in Manhattan. I left NYC kicking and screaming when our oldest was a year old. We were moving across the river to "America". I hate to say this, but that ridiculous map is not very far from the truth. After living over thirty years living in NJ, I can say that I got over it, but it took quite a while.

BTW, this is all tongue in cheek; people need to lighten up...I do have to say that my driving skills have taken a nose dive since I moved here....

[geek tragedy]

111. Maybe that was the reality 30 years ago

but the city has changed radically since then.

A lot more immigrants and us corn-fed midwestern transplants for one.

[NoGOPZone]

116. ironic, ain't it?

Every time I've been to NYC I've been treated well. It will always be a world class city.

[Squinch]

118. I think so too!

[Hippo_Tron]

157. There's some truth to the New Yorker stereotype, just as there's some truth to the southern one

But the more I've lived in a relatively big city, the more I've started to understand New Yorkers.

[SamKnause]

86. States

Every state has something special and beautiful about them.

It is NOT the fault of the state who their occupants are.

There are good people in all states.

There are bad people in all states.

There are ignorant people in all states.

There are brainwashed people in all states.

Don't blame the country, blame the occupants.

I live in rural Nowhere, and it is quiet, peaceful, private, and beautiful.

[HomerRamone]

95. My father had one of the following on his office wall

I can't find a larger one on the web, but you can get the idea from the shape:

[spanone]

105. bwahahahahaaaa

[marybourg]

131. As a NY native

I would have to say that's a pretty accurate depiction of how NYers saw the rest of the country when I lived there (40's to 80's). Might be different now; I don't know.

[CherokeeDem]

143. It always amazes me...

A joke regarding how self-directed, superior, and isolated New Yorkers are (remember this is a humorous cartoon) turns into Southern bashing.

Predictable....

[cordelia]

169. One can say "Birds fly south for the winter"

and it turns into yet another tiresome round of bashing Southerners.

[countryjake]

149. Maybe the New Yorkers that I know are special...

but, after living out here in that green part of the country labeled "Seattle" (located 2 hrs North of that fair city and possibly, the furthest one could be, culturally and ideologically), I must say, most of the NYC folk with whom I'm acquainted can actually place a majority of the states on a map (and even name their capitals) very quickly and do NOT share such stereotypical opinions as are depicted on that graphic map.

However, ask one of those "Seattle" denizens where, for instance, Ohio might be located in the USA, they will normally hem and haw on giving any answer and then might come up with a locale akin to the placement of Kansas or Iowa or, worse yet, stick it out on the East Coast south of Virginia. And then, asking for further descriptions of the general population of Ohio might cause one to bust a gut at the hilarity of such uninformed opinions.

So, I wouldn't be so presumptuous as to condemn either New Yorkers or even "Seattleites" on their collective national knowledge since it takes all kinds to constitute a population and making blanket generalizations such as the map above (and also my rural wa tale of woe) are just as stupid as the people they're attempting to make fun of.

[flamingdem]

155. I'll admit that it's somewhat true

(as an ex-NYer).

And now I list my home as Lalaland, he he.

[IDemo]

163. Yay for region-bashing on DU

Insulting and juvenile.

[cynatnite]

178. Completely agree. This thing should be locked. n/t

[pecwae]

190. Well, in all fairness

it has been a few weeks since the last region bashing. There's this periodic hunger for superiority that demands feeding.

[2naSalit]

177. I've been transported

to the moon! At least I'm in the best part of it!!

As an aside, I recall that MANY truck drivers from everywhere west of NYC would claim how they would simply tear out the page with NYC on it whenever they bought a new road atlas and tell their dispatchers that they didn't know where it was and refused to go there.

[liberal N proud]

181. When we first moved to Cleveland 15 years ago

People here thought Nebraska was by New York.

A lot of people all over the country are geographically illiterate.

[DinahMoeHum]

182. But where are Alaska and Hawaii ????

Probably foreign countries, according to "NYC" (Bull. Shit.)

[Warren DeMontague]

187. I don't think most Manhattanites think the rest of the Universe is that big in relation to them.

If self-absorption was an Olympic sport, NYC would get the gold every time.

[Blaukraut]

188. There's a double standard on DU. It's ok to stereotype the Northeast and West Coast

But when there is a thread bashing or stereotyping the South or Midwest, it generally gets locked. For the record: I'm against ALL region bashing, no matter where it is.

[NoGOPZone]

189. you have a point

Although I think the reason is that the NE and West tend to be indifferent about their reputations