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MineralMan

(146,281 posts)
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 04:56 PM Jan 2014

For those in warmer climes, a description of an urban snow emergency:

I live in St. Paul, MN. Whenever there is a 3" or deeper snowfall, the city declares a "Snow Emergency." It's not really a real emergency, but the city does have to plow the streets to get traffic back to normal. Minneapolis does the same thing, as do most suburbs. Now, if you don't live in a snow area, you might wonder what the big deal is, and what is involved in this "Snow Emergency" business.

Well St. Paul has hundreds of miles of streets within the city, and they all need to be plowed ASAP after each snowstorm. Typically, there will be five to eight of these a year. Here's what happens. First, the Snow Emergency is announced on all media outlets, and the city even sends emails to everyone who has signed up for that service. All media outlets. Not everyone hears about it, for some reason. That's odd. In fact, it's even odder, since we have one every time there's 3" of snow or more. It seems to come as a complete surprise to many St. Paul residents, somehow...go figure.

At 9PM on the day after the snow stops falling, the snow emergency begins. The plowing in St. Paul works like this:

Overnight, main arterial streets are plowed. These are all marked with signs. Anyone leaving a car parked on either side of these streets will get a ticket and their car will be towed to an impound lot if it's there after 9 PM. If your car gets towed, it will cost you about $200 to get it back, once you can get to the impound lot. The next morning, the local TV news gets to send a field reporter to the impound lot to interview frustrated car owners who didn't get the word. It's a laugh riot.

The next day, all remaining streets get plowed by a large fleet of city-owned snowplows. From 8AM until each street is plowed curb to curb, no parking is allowed on these day plow routes. Cars left on the street are likely to be ticketed or towed, but the farther out you are from the city center, the less likely you'll be to get towed. Most of these streets are residential streets, and not everyone has a garage or driveway. Others have garages in alleys, which are clogged with snow and owners are responsible for clearing alley snow themselves. So, it's a real problem for folks who have no offstreet place to park. It can be frustrating, indeed.

Then there are those who seem oblivious of Snow Emergencies, despite having lived in the city for years. Everyone who leaves a car on the street, but doesn't get towed is in for a fun surprise. The snow plows just go around the car, leaving it buried to a variable depth in heavy, dense snow that comes off the end of the plow. Not fun to dig out. Cursing loudly is the order of the day for such people, who also include the folks who leave the bar at closing time and forget about the snow emergency. It's a sure hangover cure, shoveling out your car.

Those same plows also leave a deep ridge of snow at the end of every driveway, adding to the snow removal chores for people who live there. In a 12" snowfall, those ridges can be three feet deep, and are heavy shoveling.

Minneapolis takes two days to plow the residential and side streets. On alternate days, parking is prohibited on one or the other side. This causes great confusion among residents, who never seem to know which side they're supposed to park on. Their cars get towed, ticketed, or buried by the snowplows. Wailing and gnashing of teeth ensues. The same people tend to get towed after each snowstorm. I have not figured that one out yet.

In the meantime, residents are out snowblowing, shoveling, cursing, and generally cleaning up. Most are, anyhow. There's another fleet of privately-owned snowplows, mounted on 4WD pickups, driven mostly by out-of-work construction workers, that will clear your driveway, etc., for a fee. They're everywhere. If you forgot to arrange for the service, you can just flag one down and get your stuff done. $50 or so for a typical driveway. It's easy, but can get costly in a snowy winter.

If you have a city sidewalk in front of your house, you're responsible for clearing that, too, and there's a nice fine if you don't, although the city doesn't actually send people around to check. Neighbors who don't like you will call the city, though, if you don't get out there and do it. Fortunately, in most neighborhoods, there are nice folks with snowblowers who generally will do more than their own sidewalk. I do the sidewalks in front of four houses, since those folks don't have the tools or are too old to do it. I get cookies from them from time to time.

Then...and here's the kicker...not long after you get all of this done and have reasonably clean driveways, sidewalks, and streets to use again, another storm comes in and you get to start all over again. Winter lasts six months in Minnesota, I'm sure.

Winter's fun! Yes, indeed, it is. Yah, sure, you betcha!

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For those in warmer climes, a description of an urban snow emergency: (Original Post) MineralMan Jan 2014 OP
Do a few folks drop dead from shoveling? That seems to happen here and FSogol Jan 2014 #1
Yes, they do. Not as many as you'd think though. MineralMan Jan 2014 #2
I love it when they plow the alleys The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2014 #3
I know. Those ridges of snow, called "windrows" for some reason, MineralMan Jan 2014 #4
Yes, the churned snow off the plow melts a bit and then refreezes into a dense mass Thor_MN Jan 2014 #5
Yah, Spring is on its way, then. MineralMan Jan 2014 #6
I snowblow an 8' wide strip in the street, next to the curb in MineralMan Jan 2014 #7
My driveway is on the upplow side of my property. :( Thor_MN Jan 2014 #10
Minneapolis won't pick up your garbage or recycling The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2014 #9
Winter in the warmer climes: B2G Jan 2014 #8
Ole & Lena bvar22 Jan 2014 #11
ROFL! MineralMan Jan 2014 #13
It loses something without the dialect. bvar22 Jan 2014 #23
Our plows have a little attachment laundry_queen Jan 2014 #12
Wow! MineralMan Jan 2014 #14
Got to love that "ridge" at the end of the driveway. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #15
That's bad! MineralMan Jan 2014 #16
It was heart breaking to view. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #17
YIKES! MineralMan Jan 2014 #18
2011 was a year that was hard to forget. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #21
I'll pass malaise Jan 2014 #19
Jah, mon... MineralMan Jan 2014 #20
70 degrees and sunny here- T shirt weather at work -What's snow? panader0 Jan 2014 #22

FSogol

(45,464 posts)
1. Do a few folks drop dead from shoveling? That seems to happen here and
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 05:04 PM
Jan 2014

we get nowhere near the same amount of snow.

Also, do kids still shovel for money or is that as rare as a Norman Rockwell scene? I always tried to earn bucks shoveling snow, but my Dad required that I shovel our walks/driveways as well as the houses of 2 senior citizen neighbors (for free) before looking for people I could charge. Other kids in the neighborhood would clean up as I did all the pro bono work.

MineralMan

(146,281 posts)
2. Yes, they do. Not as many as you'd think though.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 05:08 PM
Jan 2014

Most older guys, like me, know their limits and work at a pace that's sustainable. As for kids, no. I live on a block with teenagers galore. Never has one shown up and offered to do the snow removal for money. It occurs to me that I would have owned my own snowblower when I was a teenager had I lived here. Just like I owned my own lawnmower. Money was important to teenagers back then, and hard to come by. I worked.

Nope. The kids aren't out looking for snow removal work where I live.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,656 posts)
3. I love it when they plow the alleys
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 05:10 PM
Jan 2014
after you've shoveled/blown/plowed your driveway, leaving a big, solid ridge of snow that you have to either remove or, if it's even possible, drive over in order to get out of or into your garage. I suppose I shouldn't complain, since Minneapolis does a pretty efficient job of snow removal, but...

MineralMan

(146,281 posts)
4. I know. Those ridges of snow, called "windrows" for some reason,
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 05:14 PM
Jan 2014

are the bane of everyone's existence. My overpowered snowblower can cut through them, but I also sometimes hand shovel them, if I can get out there right after the plow goes by. Again, I clear those for four neighbors houses, too. Why not. I have the equipment and the time and they don't. There's a lot of that going on in my neighborhood. It's a working class neighborhood, and not everyone can afford a snowblower, so those of us who can pick up the slack when we can.

St. Paul doesn't plow alleys at all. The homeowners have to hire someone to do it. Most blocks with alleys have an "alley captain," who tries to collect from the neighbors to pay for it. It's a thankless job. I deliberately chose a house on a street without alleys.

OTOH, there are a couple of able-bodied slackers near my house who won't do anything at all about the snow, and just drive over it all winter. I don't do anything for those neighbors. If they don't even try, that's their deal.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
5. Yes, the churned snow off the plow melts a bit and then refreezes into a dense mass
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 05:28 PM
Jan 2014

And the standard route on my street is a pass down the middle, with the plow directing snow towards my side of the street. A pass back the other direction to deposit <1/3 of the street snow into the driveways across the street. Another pass same as the first to bury my driveway with at least 2/3 of the snow from the street. They never seem to vary from that schedule, to make it worse, I'm on the south side of the street, so little to no help from the sun.

I started adding a 3 mile walk to my daily routine, and on the streets that the city doesn't clear the sidewalk, it's hit or miss on the depth of snow clogging the sidewalk. Some people are very good about keeping the sidewalk clear, others push the snow back about 5 feet from the driveway and leave a ridge across the sidewalk of the snow they pushed back. I will kick my way through those if the snow isn't ice, or just climb over.

Another fun fact, the Post Office will stop delivering the mail if you do not keep the mailboxes clear of snow. If you don't get out there ahead of them, they will pack 4 inches of snow into 3/8ths of an inch of ice. Unless you are on top of things, by spring there will be 6 inches of ice blocking the curb, keeping melt water from flowing to the storm drains.

Yah, is it spring yet then?

MineralMan

(146,281 posts)
6. Yah, Spring is on its way, then.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 05:35 PM
Jan 2014

Just in time for pothole repair season. I expect Spring to take place for a week in May, sometime, maybe. It'll be great, for sure, this year. Not like last year, when we had Winter until Summer construction season. That wasn't right. Not right at all, damn sure.

A smart guy won't put away the shovels for a while yet, then.

MineralMan

(146,281 posts)
7. I snowblow an 8' wide strip in the street, next to the curb in
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 05:36 PM
Jan 2014

front of my house. That way, there's less snow in the plow to dump on my driveway. It works, sort of, sometimes. Sometimes, not.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
10. My driveway is on the upplow side of my property. :(
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 06:04 PM
Jan 2014

So what doesn't make it into my neighbor's driveway bounces off the drift at the mailboxes and into my driveway. Completely fills in the spot I shovel out for the garbage can to sit in on Thursdays. I want a beater car that I can attach a driveway wide bumper that goes down to a couple inches from the ground and extends up about three feet. Park it a couple inches into the driveway and have all that snow pushed down the street. Of course, it would probably pull the duct tape loose, shove the beater into my car and throw the bumper through my front window.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,656 posts)
9. Minneapolis won't pick up your garbage or recycling
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 05:50 PM
Jan 2014

if there is one of those snow ridges in front of the bins. They just leave a snotty little tag on the bin telling you to remove the snow by the next collection or they will do it for you and charge you. OK, fine, but what if the damn plow comes through the alley early in the morning and plows up a snow ridge, and then the trash collectors come right after that, before you even know you have to clear the bins? That happened to me a couple of weeks ago. I was not amused. Fortunately the garbage was frozen so it didn't sit there and stink for another week.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
8. Winter in the warmer climes:
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 05:41 PM
Jan 2014

One inch of now is forecast, schools are closed before the first flake falls. Everyone develops a sudden craving for french toast and clears the store shelves of milk, bread and eggs.

Sleep late and try to have a snowball fight with rapidly melting remnants of snow. Build a fire and put it out promptly because you're sweating. Bonus points if you grew up in the midwest and can bitch and moan about all of the idiot southern drivers.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
11. Ole & Lena
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 07:35 PM
Jan 2014

The snow had finally stopped, the temp has dropped to 20 below,
nd the City had called a Snow Emergency.

Ole: (Putting on snow boots and overcoat)
I have to go move our car to the other side of the street.

Lena: Why?

Ole: Because they called a Snow Emergency, and they say you got to park on the Odd side of the street tonight.

Lena: Why don't you just put the car in the garage?

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
23. It loses something without the dialect.
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 01:27 PM
Jan 2014

Those of us who have lived there can still hear it in our heads.

Though Starkraven & I left the Twin Cities in 2006,
we still listen to Prairie Home Companion every Saturday evening,
and miss the stark beauty of the Minnesota Winter.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
12. Our plows have a little attachment
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 07:45 PM
Jan 2014

where they block the snow from spilling in front of your driveway, then they let it go once they are past your driveway, so we don't have 2-3 feet of hardened ice to shovel to get out of our driveways. Unfortunately, all the newer subdivisions have tiny yards where there is more driveway than yard, so the plows don't know where to put the snow anymore and it turns into a big mess. Our streets end up losing 12 feet of width by the time winter ends.

If it wasn't for the snow removal problem and driving on crap roads, I would like winter.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
15. Got to love that "ridge" at the end of the driveway.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 08:36 PM
Jan 2014

Back in the Blizzard last Feb in Conn, we got 30 inches. That ridge was 6 freaking feet high! And that was heavy wet snow with sleet mixed in.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
17. It was heart breaking to view.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 08:51 PM
Jan 2014

Even worse was the 80 feet of driveway I had to clear to get to it. And my snow blower nailed a downed branch early on and smoked the main drive belt rather than shear the pins. I was PISSED! I was out there in a tee shirt shoveling for hours. That storm was really something. I had to climb out a window because my storm doors were blocked.

And back in 2011, we had the winter of never ending snow. We got at least a foot a week (also some 15 and 22 inchers) and it wouldn't melt for two months. I eventually had a snow bank at the road that was two feet above my street mail box, which was sticking out the side of the bank. And when the plow came by, it couldn't get snow over the banks. So it would pour into the gap left by a driveway. Last few storms plugged the driveway 4-5 feet high and 6 feet deep. I was so mad the last one I just called out of work and slammed my shovel down in frustration, breaking it.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
21. 2011 was a year that was hard to forget.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 09:08 PM
Jan 2014

We made national news during the "winter of never ending snow" as roofs starting imploding under the weight. It's almost surreal to think about now.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/09/us/09roofs.html?_r=0

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