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babylonsister

(171,035 posts)
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 07:20 PM Jan 2014

Former West Virginia Miner: We've Been Dumping Those Chemicals In The Water For Decades

Former West Virginia Miner: We've Been Dumping Those Chemicals In The Water For Decades
Robert Johnson and Gus Lubin Jan. 21, 2014, 1:59 PM 52,489 13
Robert Johnson for Business Insider


When up to 7,500 gallons of toxic 4-methylcyclohexane methanol (MCHM) spilled into the Elk River in West Virginia, leaving 300,000 people without tap water for around a week, former miner Joe Stanley was well prepared. He hadn’t been drinking the water for years.

Stanley, 64, worked at West Virginia's Marrowbone Coal Mine from 1981 to 1996. His employer was Massey Energy, the same company responsible for the Upper Big Branch Mine Disaster in 2010 that killed 29 miners and which was bought out in 2011.

Stanley says he lost his job after a conflict with management, when he, as union president, demanded an inquiry into certain chemicals that were being used in the mine. He claims that mine workers, particularly electricians and pinners, were getting sick.

Decades later, the truth is hard to determine; however, we're more interested in his bleak outlook on pollution.

"I watched the coal industry poison our water for years. Now they're telling us not to drink the water? We've been dumping this stuff into unlined ponds and into old mines for years," he says. "This MCHM was just one of the chemicals we were told was highly toxic but that we dumped into old mine shafts and slurry ponds, and it's been seeping into the groundwater for years."

It sounds bad even before Stanley explains that coal mines are constantly pumped to clear ground water, aquifers, and underground streams: "As soon as we're out of that mine it immediately fills with water. And where does it go from there? I don't know, you're guess is as good as mine."

"I haven't drank the water here in years, and I suggest you do the same," he says, pausing and then reiterating. "Don't drink the water. Just don't do it."

There's plenty of evidence to support Stanley's claims.

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Former West Virginia Miner: We've Been Dumping Those Chemicals In The Water For Decades (Original Post) babylonsister Jan 2014 OP
Bill Moyers carries 84 man-made chemicals around his pre-WWII grandparents never knew. Octafish Jan 2014 #1
sure, the tons and tons of chemicals used went somewhere. Sunlei Jan 2014 #2
I have relatives in the coal industry spinbaby Jan 2014 #3
What is a settlement pond, and can they leak? I guess babylonsister Jan 2014 #7
google "hinkley" niyad Jan 2014 #14
But the jobs! Capitalism! Why do you hate America! Scootaloo Jan 2014 #4
Because Freedom, duh. Alamuti Lotus Jan 2014 #6
Sorry to be a spellin nazi but progressoid Jan 2014 #8
Best spelling nazi evah!!!! n/t 2pooped2pop Jan 2014 #18
IOW, slow but steady Ecocide. Lack of healhcare probably buried the evidence (deaths) long ago. n/t freshwest Jan 2014 #5
More like there are 50 other things that kill miners faster Mopar151 Jan 2014 #9
That's the miners... I'm talking about their families and those who aren't mining. Saw the vid here freshwest Jan 2014 #10
K&R johnnyreb Jan 2014 #11
It just keeps getting worse. BTW I'm from the biggest town in West VA......... marble falls Jan 2014 #12
It was so apropos that it spilled in Charleston... ReRe Jan 2014 #16
What makes me angriest is the same companies destroying the water are part of corporations .... marble falls Jan 2014 #19
Absolutely! ReRe Jan 2014 #21
WVA has the 4th highest cancer rate per capita in America. JaneyVee Jan 2014 #13
I'm note remotely surprised blackspade Jan 2014 #15
It's time to change. leanforward Jan 2014 #17
Mr. Stanley, with all due respect, go to hell n2doc Jan 2014 #20
I'd like to recommend a website theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #22

spinbaby

(15,088 posts)
3. I have relatives in the coal industry
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 07:32 PM
Jan 2014

The chemicals that leaked into the Elk River were foaming agents that are used to separate coal from rock. After it's used, it's dumped in settlement ponds.

babylonsister

(171,035 posts)
7. What is a settlement pond, and can they leak? I guess
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 08:16 PM
Jan 2014

that might be a yes considering how this mess is supposedly traveling.

Mopar151

(9,975 posts)
9. More like there are 50 other things that kill miners faster
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 08:39 PM
Jan 2014

Cav-ins, fires, silicosis (black lung), gas.........

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
10. That's the miners... I'm talking about their families and those who aren't mining. Saw the vid here
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 08:48 PM
Jan 2014
with RFK, Jr., about how the mining companies went to mountaintop removal to break the unions state by reducing the number of miners. The ones who work the machinery get more pay and there are less of them. So less oversight.

From what he described, the state is being treated as a national sacrifice area and its ecology destroyed. And that it is the oldest living ecosystem in North America.

The Idiocracy wins.

marble falls

(57,013 posts)
12. It just keeps getting worse. BTW I'm from the biggest town in West VA.........
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 09:55 PM
Jan 2014

Akron, Ohio.

My prayers are with WV citizens. Clean water IS a right,

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
16. It was so apropos that it spilled in Charleston...
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 10:37 PM
Jan 2014

... the Capitol of WV. There, but for the grace of God, go we... Our environment reeks of chemicals. Water and air, in the ground, in our food. This, or something similar, can happen anywhere,
and probably is every day as we speak, breathe, drink and eat our franken foods.

marble falls

(57,013 posts)
19. What makes me angriest is the same companies destroying the water are part of corporations ....
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 10:01 AM
Jan 2014

that will sell "clean" water and filtering equipment in the aftermath. This is a set piece operation by big money to rob us of everything that can be metered.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
15. I'm note remotely surprised
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 09:59 PM
Jan 2014

I worked with an old coal miner in Pike Co, KY years ago and he told me the same thing.
I asked him what he drank. Beer. It was safer than the water.
It's like medieval times again!

leanforward

(1,076 posts)
17. It's time to change.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 10:42 PM
Jan 2014

Maybe, this time it is time for change. There should be an accounting for any chemical used in coal mining and related activities. BTW, did they respond to the legal deadline earlier today for all chemicals leaked out of that tank. Unlined ponds should be lined. Anything (chemical) that could possibily be sucked up the backyard well head should be accounted for. If the fish can't live in it, then the coal company must fix it.

It would seem that the coal companies wants to treat me and everybody else in WV like mushroom people, kept in the dark and fed stuff.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
20. Mr. Stanley, with all due respect, go to hell
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 10:04 AM
Jan 2014

If you did this, while remaining silent, while taking steps to protect yourself (and confirming that you knew it was wrong)- Go to Hell. You fucked over your fellow citizens just as much as the Kock Bro's did, all for a buck.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
22. I'd like to recommend a website
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 10:22 PM
Jan 2014

Appalachian Voices
http://appvoices.org/

For those who are interested in the economic and environmental issues affecting Appalachia and her people.

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