Deep down we know

[BelgianMadCow]

We may argue and disagree a lot, here on DU.

But whenever a DUer passes away, or even loses a pet, we see DUnity. I like it when that happens.

I asked my better half why she didn't want to speak about the ugly truths. She said that when she opened her eyes too far, she couldn't deal with it. How can we tolerate ANY children in the world being deprived of basic necessities? The first rule of humanity: leave no child behind. That's why the revolution that we need is feminine in nature. Note that I did not say female - we all have different sides.

Deep down we know it's time to let the feeling in. We have rationalized everything, and have allowed our subconsious feelings to be manipulated. It's time to let our hearts speak.

Occupy Love.

Unity

[Egalitarian Thug]

1. K&R&Shhh

Keep this up and I'll stop hating on 1StrongBlackMan! Worse, he might stop hating on me!
Almost forgot to be clear, again.

[1StrongBlackMan]

4. Wow ...

that came out the blue!

For the record, I haven't hated on you in a whole 15 minutes!

[BelgianMadCow]

5. Tsk tsk. You admitted in the other thread that the two of you merely disagree

a lot about a lot of things, but without these disagreements being mean. So why not drop the hate rhetoric alltogether? Argumented, spirited debate is the way forward.

[1StrongBlackMan]

6. I never ...

ever, have used the word "hate" when referring to another person. But I, also, never shy away from speaking my opinion, and when asked (and even when not), will detail how I arrived at that opinion.

Too many people confuse disagreement/spirited debate with "vitriol" and/or hate ... especially, when they find themselves with the weaker argument.

[BelgianMadCow]

7. Ah yes, the ad hominem

I see it being used all the time. DU didn't use to be like that, under Bush times. I guess it's to be expected.

But personally, I'm also in favor of spirited debate. Indeed, truth can come from nothing else. It's why I appreciate DU's stubborn posters that dare go against "the line", no matter which line. Dissent is essential, and a debate needs opposing viewpoints. So, to all the pains in the asses that don't share my viewpoints: I love you anyway.

[1StrongBlackMan]

10. For share ...

Many years ago, I was told "steel sharpens steel and pressure makes diamonds." That is the benefit of DU ... it helps to clarify positions and sharpens arguments ... and for the very few, it changes minds. I came think of a couple issues where I was firmly partisan ... until engaging another DUer that had a more reasoned, more nuanced position.

But I can never recall being convinced by someone calling me names, or by someone taking half my arguing (out of context) or just flat out mis-quoting my argument, just to when the debate.

[BelgianMadCow]

12. Very well said

I look forward to more spirited debate!

[joshcryer]

8. I was wondering if that was an ongoing spat...

...or just coincidence whenever I saw you two arguing.

[villager]

2. “Fuck every cause that ends in murder and children crying.”

The late author Iain Banks wrote that.

It should be the litmus test for virtually all politics, every policy.

[BelgianMadCow]

3. I did not know Iain Banks. But that's the essence.

are we humankind?

Checked out Iain Banks - the quote is from "Against a dark background".

“People were always sorry. Sorry they had done what they had done, sorry they were doing what they were doing, sorry they were going to do what they were going to do; but they still did whatever it is. The sorrow never stopped them; it just made them feel better. And so the sorrow never stopped.”
― Iain Banks, Against a Dark Background

[marmar]

9. k/r

[woo me with science]

11. K&R. Worth loggin in to rec.

Thank you.