Maybe I'm waaay wrong on this, but aren't married women the biggest consumers of birth control?

[Yavin4]

esp. married women with children???

IOW, it's not the Republican mythological single woman running around having sex willy nilly. Rather, it's married women who have sex on a regular basis with their husbands that use birth control more, esp. when they have kids and don't want to have more.

I apologize if I am wrong.

[stevenleser]

1. I would bet that you are right. That doesn't stop the right wing nut jobs from celebrating

ridiculous rhetoric like Huckabees.

[PeaceNikki]

2. It. Doesn't. Matter.

Who uses what medications or medical services when is *never* any business of politicians.

Ever.

[Yavin4]

5. I agree with you totally. However...

framing issues are very, very important. Republicans win on issues when they can create these negative images in the minds of the people, "welfare queen", "wanton woman", "thug", etc., and reality is totally different.

If the majority of birth control users are married women, then that disrupts their stupid narrative.

[PeaceNikki]

12. The unspoken implication is that he would have a point if the opposite were true.

And/or that women in other groups are less worthy of safe legal and PRIVATE medical care. And that bothers me. Women are entitled to privacy and legal medical services without interference from the public.

[okaawhatever]

14. I disagree. I think the poster is pointing out that not only is Huckabee wrong morally, he's wrong

factually as well. Huckabee is trying to make the point that women who want/need birth control should control their libidos as if to say they're sluts. Well, not only is he wrong is the most moral sense, I also don't believe that single women are the largest consumers of birth contro pills. Pointing out someone is wrong in two ways doesn't take away from either element of being wrong.

[Gormy Cuss]

33. No, the narrative is that single woman are using the government as a daddy wallet substitute

whereas married women have transferred Daddy's financial responsibilities to their husbands.

The focus is on who is paying for it because that has broader appeal than just saying single women shouldn't have sex.

[brush]

56. Women are a slight majority of the population

What the hell are these repugs thinking with their rhetoric?

Guess they don't want to win another general election, winning the repug primaries where their wing nut/teabagger base comes out strong is enough for them I guess because turning off half the population sure ain't gonna get it.

[bettyellen]

45. best answer, it's none of their fucking business.

[jberryhill]

3. Only the ones who can't control their libido

[Yavin4]

6. So, Huckabee is telling married women to deny their husbands sex???

Okay.

[jberryhill]

9. No no no no...

If a woman has a husband to pay for things, then if they use contraception she doesn't need it covered by insurance.

Whether they have children is his decision to make. Obviously if she is sneaking birth control pills behind his back, then it's probably because she is fooling around during the day with some unemployed man, maybe even an entitled minority. And THAT is probably why she isn't getting dinner on the table when he comes home!

[Yavin4]

11. They have very vivid imaginations n/t

[HockeyMom]

34. Of course all married men will be making lots of money,

and never ever lose his job! That sounds like the George Bush school of thought that the solution to poverty is a wedding ring.

[jberryhill]

43. Why wouldn't they be?

All most men need to do is borrow some money from their parents to start a business.

[Pedoviejo2]

38. Deny Their Husbands?

Oh, no.
That would conflict with the directives of U. S. Rep. Steve Pearce (Republican New Mexico).
His statement:

"The wife is to voluntarily submit, just as the husband is to lovingly lead and sacrifice," he writes. "The husband’s part is to show up during the times of deep stress, take the leadership role and be accountable for the outcome, blaming no one else."

[Mariana]

49. Heavens, no.

Of course not. Married women should have sex with their husbands whenever they demand it, and if the women get pregnant when they don't want to be, well, that's Gawd's will and they should accept it.

[HockeyMom]

52. Of course, Welfare and Government Services for too many children

will never be an issue if they are wed in a Christian Church. Ah, yes, the Holy Sacrament of Matrimony prevents POVERTY!!!!

[raptor_rider]

62. I enjoy sex with my husband

He was the one that decided to get fixed. He made the dr appts his self! He didn't want me on the cancer/mood killing drugs. He'd rTher go through the pain for a few days, than me on them.

This was over 6 years ago, and we've had the happiest sex life ever!! No worries. He just turned 40, and I'm 38, and enjoy sex 4 times a week!!! If not more!!

[11 Bravo]

66. Is your husband's nickname "raptor"?

[raptor_rider]

70. Lol!!

Oh my! Nope! Good one!!!

[Enthusiast]

22. True.

[KG]

4. ever notice how the libido of men is never the issue?

[kelliekat44]

8. I was thinking the same thing. Like women alone cause their own rape, have their own children/ nt

[raptor_rider]

65. My husband is 40,

and has the libido of a 20 year old. We could go at it every night, however there is sleep and kids. He's been fixed for over 6 years, and his libido has never died. Women on birth control, tubes tied, or totally taking her entire reproductive parts out, it kills their libido!! The HRT they have to take, kills everything!!

We totally enjoy our sex life!!!

[Ilsa]

7. My friend's unmarried daughter has PCOS. She requires

Daily use of "the pill" to manage her symptoms. Several years ago she had a cyst rupture and although she wasn't hospitalized, a family member had to stay with and care for her for about a week. Needless to say, she needed a different dose, but many young women manage with fairly common dosages of birth control pills to manage their symptoms.

I don't have PCOS*, but I had a small cyst rupture once. It was like being stabbed in the abdomen repeatedly with an ice pick. The Pill isn't just for birth control. It helps a lot of young women manage debilitating symptoms caused by their reproductive systems. It's why many middle aged women become more productive after hysterectomies.


*PCOS: Polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS) is one of the most common endocrine disorders among females. PCOS is a complex, heterogeneous disorder of uncertain etiology, but there is strong evidence that it can, to a large degree, be classified as a genetic disease.[1][2][3]PCOS produces symptoms in approximately 5% to 10% of women of reproductive age (approximately 12 to 45 years old). It is thought to be one of the leading causes of female subfertility[4][5][6] and the most frequent endocrine problem in women of reproductive age.[7]The principal features are anovulation, which results in irregular menstruation, amenorrhea, and ovulation-related infertility; excessive amounts or effects of androgenic (masculinizing) hormones, which results in acne and hirsutism; and insulin resistance, which is often associated with obesity,Type 2 diabetes, and high cholesterol levels.[8]Finding that the ovaries appear polycystic on ultrasound is common, but it is not an absolute requirement in all definitions of the disorder. The symptoms and severity of the syndrome vary greatly among affected women.

[HockeyMom]

50. I did too in 1960

When I was 12 years old. Periods so bad I couldn't stand up, or go to school, for 10 days a month. That is not counting the severe anemia I had from the very heavy bleeding every month. My doctor told my parents, this "pill", or a D & C for a preteen girl. Sex? Not even in the picture. Did it help? Oh, YES, it did.

Most people don't even KNOW that the Pill was even around back in those days, let alone used for other than BC purposes.

[davidpdx]

63. I had a girlfriend back in college who had the same problem

One time I got so bad I insisted on taking her to the emergency room. I remember the doctor being a real dick too. So while I can't fully understand the pain involved, I can guess it would be like someone grabbing my testicles and trying to pull them over my head.

[Ilsa]

68. or an ice pick jabbing at them. And then feeling so

sore you can hardly walk, turn your body. That's usually from the inflammatory process of a rupturing cyst.

One friend told me that her rupturing cyst was more painful than giving birth.

[randome]

10. NIYAR.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)[/center][/font][hr]

[Warpy]

13. That's exactly right and think about what a running joke it is

for married men to complain they got more sex when they were single, especially when they've got kids. You bet your ass married women are the main consumers of birth control.

Sex crazed Republican males are just projecting, as usual.

[Brigid]

15. I always suspected that a screaming two-year-old . . .

Would be pretty effective birth control.

[Warpy]

17. The problem is that men aren't home with them all day

And yeah, nothing kills desire like a screaming baby with a loaded diaper, especially when there is no birth control available. Unfortunately, it only kills it in women.

[riderinthestorm]

16. Don't think it really matters. Preggers and in the kitchen is any woman's fate

If the Rethugs had their way.

Women having control of their reproductive choices married or not is unacceptable.

[Freddie]

18. Rose Kennedy birth control

In Doris Kearns Goodwin's wonderful "The Fitzgeralds and the Kennedys" she mentioned that after Rose gave birth to her 9th child, Ted, she decided there would be no more children, kicked Joe out of her bedroom, and that was that. 100% Vatican-approved birth control. Is that what Huckabee and Republican men want?

[LynneSin]

32. What Huckabee and the GOP would say is that Rose should have submitted...

....and if she refused then the GOP would not have defined forced sex against the will of a woman as 'rape' since they were married.

[Freddie]

42. Actually Joe interpreted her actions

As license to "seek comfort elsewhere" which was a common "solution" in those days when a wife decided no more babies.
I've read that the number of married men patronizing prostitutes has greatly decreased in the past 50 years or so, no doubt due to healthier attitudes about the role of sex in a relationship and female sexuality. Contraception plays a huge part in this. Naturally the GOP wants, again, to set the clock back 100 years.

[LynneSin]

55. True but I was talking about what Huckabee and the GOP would suggest

I mean a couple of those nutjobs have said that there is no such thing as rape in a marriage. Idiots!

[alsame]

19. We should all be like

the Duggars and give birth every nine months.

[Enthusiast]

23. Be fruitful and multiply.

[avebury]

20. But but but the married women are not subjecting themselves

to their husbands' desires to sire dynasties per the Republican party jobs plan.

[cynatnite]

21. I prefer the framing that it's no one's business except the woman and her doctor. n/t

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

24. This isn't about the Republican voting married woman, it is about the Republican primary voter

Truth is, I have no idea who these people are. I just think it's a funny picture.

[Demit]

28. Is that your parents?

[druidity33]

69. that's a lotta manure spread behind them... nt.

[BrotherIvan]

25. What is also totally absurd

Is they are acting as though birth control is some expensive, brand name, designer drug, when it is in fact a generic that pharmacists could fill for a low charge (except in cases where special dose or brand is required). There was even worry that drug companies wouldn't make it after it was universally covered because there would be no profit in it. But the idea that a woman should be forced to pay over $300 a month for coverage and then pay for her prescriptions on top of that is absurd.

These people are bitching about a prescription that costs about the same as a round of antibiotics. It's cheaper than most statins that doctors have everyone on now. It's such a minute thing and the insurance companies could care less. This is all ginned up faux outrage. And it just shows how stupid people are to go along with it and how morally bankrupt the Republicans are. School shootings: OK. Woman protecting her health: NOT OK.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

26. No, it's all those unmarried hussies who can't control their libidos.

of course.

[modrepub]

27. Actually You're Not Far Off

I'm pretty sure Repubs do very poorly with single women but do somewhat better with married women. Huckabee's comment is aimed squarely at single women. The point that many married couple use different types of birth control is probably a valid point. I just wish there would be someone with the balls enough to ask people like Huckabee if they engaged in premarital sex. For disclosure purposes, I'm married, we use birth control and I had premarital sex (but not often).

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

30. I can't imagine that Huckster will persuade many voters at all,

married or single, with a dumbass argument like that. My guess, though, is that when he talks about women who can't control their libidos and want free birth control, he's really referring to "those people" - meaning women of color, who, to Huck and his ilk, are all sluts by nature. But then, those very same wingnut idiots have fits about all "those people" (slutty women of color, of course) who have lots of babies just so they can get welfare. In any event, I suspect there's a strong undercurrent of racism here, as well as sexism.

[LynneSin]

29. There are many many reasons for women to use birth control that have NOTHING to do with sex

I have had 2 friends who were prescribed birth control to help deal with cysts on their ovaries. It's one of the cheapest ways to deal with cysts.

I know there are many other uses too.

[Yavin4]

41. Yes. You are correct. But here's the problem...

The public's perception of an issue goes a long way towards actual policy. If Huck and Repubs can convince a gullible public that the women who use birth control are wanton women, then that perception may find its way into policy. For those women who have a medical condition like you posted, then they will make an exception for those.

The reality of the situation is that it's married women, probably with children, who are the highest users of birth control since they are more likely to have unprotected sex on a regular basis.

[HockeyMom]

31. Rush Limbaugh

"Mothers aren't into birth control". Sure, Rush. All mothers want to be mothers over and over again until menopause? I seriously doubt most mothers want to compete with Michelle Duggar.

One loony Freeper said, "The majority of women are either not sexually active ( when married?), or are trying to get pregnant, or are pregnant (constantly until menopause?????).

When they gave out brains, these people were absent.

[bkanderson76]

35. I Think You Are Waaay

right on this...I'm sure its not married men.

[abakan]

36. You are probably correct...But..

I am concerned about the kind of women the republicans have in their lives and families. I mean their mothers, sisters, grandmothers, aunts, wives and daughters, must be the most wanton bunch of women on the planet. A republican describing anything to do with a female human has no bases in fact as I know it, or anyone I know, knows it. So I can only surmise republican women are wanton sluts. I see no other conclusion, it's either this one or they are all full of what they are spreading.......I chose both...

[lefthandedlefty]

37. The real reason the GOP is against birth control

Is to have the U.S. so overpopulated that we will work for what ever crumbs they throw at us and to put such a strain on resources that only the rich can use them.

[Freddie]

39. It's about controlling women

A woman with control over her childbearing has control over her life and can be independent from men. That's what the "submissive wife" crowd finds so offensive. Personally I think a woman's ultimate right to determine whether, when, and how many children she shall bear should be enshrined in the Constitution.

[lefthandedlefty]

40. It`s about controlling everyone

Hasn`t anyone noticed the war on labor in this country since 1981.Every repug politition blames labor and labor cost for all corporate problems.

[Contrary1]

44. You are correct. As of August 2013:

WHO USES CONTRACEPTIVES?

• More than 99% of women aged 15–44 who have ever had sexual intercourse have used at least one contraceptive method.[5]

• Some 62% of all women of reproductive age are currently using a contraceptive method.[2]

• Eleven percent of women at risk of unintended pregnancy are not currently using any contraceptive method.[2]

• The proportion of women at risk who are not using a method is highest among 15–19-year-olds (18%) and lowest among women aged 40–44 (9%).[2]

• Eighty-three percent of black women who are at risk of unintended pregnancy currently use a contraceptive method, compared with 91% of their Hispanic and white peers, and 90% of Asian women.[2]

•Ninety-two percent of at-risk women with incomes of 300% or more of the federal poverty level are currently using contraceptives, compared with 89% among those living at 0–149% of the poverty line.[2]

•A much higher proportion of married than of never-married women use a contraceptive method (77% vs. 42%). This is largely because married women are more likely to be sexually active. But even among those at risk of unintended pregnancy, contraceptive use is higher among currently married women than among never-married women (93% vs. 83%).

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_contr_use.html

[RainDog]

46. Yes. Huckabee was calling married women "whores"

by the use of the term "Uncle Sugar" as in Sugar Daddy - he was saying the Democrats want to be the Sugar Daddy of married women.

I hope Huckabee feels a collective slap in the face from all women in this nation, because that's what he deserves.

[OnionPatch]

47. All the sex jokes aside

(and I'm still scratching my head over this "libido" comment), why is it that according to Republicans, anything that helps someone is an insult? Anything that helps someone is "actually hurting them" in some way. WTF? If that were the case, Jesus should be considered an equal to Hitler, shouldn't he?

Republicans have really gone over the cliff on this upside-down reasoning. I guess that's what happens when you have no valid arguments to support your point of view.

[RainDog]

48. Republicans hate women who fuck for pleasure

Because they're the party of hate.

[shenmue]

51. May be true

I could see that.

[Shankapotomus]

53. Why wouldn't that be married

MEN and Women?

It's not like women are engaging in physical relations with themselves or that the men,who are participating, aren't also receiving the benefits of the products being purchased.

[DesertFlower]

54. i used just as much birth control

when i was single as when i was married. of course, i was single in the late 60s -- "make love not war" and i did.

[Agnosticsherbet]

57. GOP war on birth control is about keeping women under the thumb of men.

It is about enforcing a male dominated patriarchal order.

[haele]

58. That, and women with horrible periods who want to regulate them.

Birth control is not just for birth control. Let's just say, without access to that little pill dispenser, there was a very long period in my life where, while I may not have been dating, you wouldn't want to make me angry - one week every month.

Haele

[awoke_in_2003]

59. I am afraid you are probably not wrong...

the idea of women running around having sex willy nilly would have appealed to the younger me.

[hunter]

60. I don't see many huge families at Catholic Mass anymore.

I suspect all those married couples are having sex and frankly I don't think many of them, if any, are practicing the sort of calender/thermometer sex the nice pure Catholic couple with three kids (probably more coming...) tried to teach us at our Monday-through-Saturday religious camp, men in one dorm, women in the other, Engagement Encounter.

Oh heck, I'll come right out and say it, my wife and I do not have a bus full of kids.

Unlike our parents.

My "choose life" mom told us to bring home any children we conceived. The more the merrier. Me and my siblings were so terrified of the prospect that none of us had kids until we were married and very well settled into a place we could take care of them. (By modern standards "taking care of" was sometimes iffy with my parents. We always had something to eat and a more-or-less safe place to sleep, but beyond that all life was an adventure. Clothes were hand-me-downs, sometimes the showers were cold, and maybe there was no soap. When I was in college my parents would write checks to the college that bounced. Fortunately college was cheap then and the system forgiving. Nothing like the $3000-or-else we kick your kid out of the dorms and classrooms checks I've written for my own kids.)

Me and my siblings' overall fertility is less that two, same with my wife's siblings.

It's not magic.

[raptor_rider]

61. Not me!!!

I have 3 children, and have been married for 10 years. No birth control here!! For me anyways. We do not use condoms either. I have not had my tubes tied, or a hystrectomy. When I was 6 months pregnant with my last, my husband went and had his vas deferens cut. He didn't want me taking the hormone replacements. It messes with moods and sexuality.

I'm 38, and still can have kids, however this shows love and loyalty. If I ever end up pregnant, it'll not be his. However, I'll never cheat on him!!!

We enjoy every special moment with each other, with no worries!!!

[davidpdx]

64. I would think it would be pretty easy to find statistics on it

It is an interesting question.

[liberal_at_heart]

67. they don't really want married women to take birth control either. They want married women

at home raising babies so they can't be in the workforce.