Nuclear Decontamination Tips from the Pros

[RobertEarl]

http://orise.orau.gov/reacts/guide/measure.htm

The Oak Ridge Institute for Science and Education (ORISE) maintains a repository of clinical information and data on calcium and zinc diethylenetriaminepentaacetic acid (DTPA) and ferric hexacyanoferrate, also known as Prussian Blue.

Calcium-DTPA and zinc-DTPA are injectable chelating agents used to enhance the excretion of plutonium and other transuranics from the body. Prussian Blue binds to radioactive cesium and thallium in the stomach, thereby enhancing their excretion from the body.

Package inserts are available for radiation treatment pharmaceuticals calcium-DTPA, zinc-DTPA and Radiogardase (Prussian Blue).

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Seems pretty drastic, doesn't it? Well, the Oak Ridge people have been dealing with radioactive materials for a long time, so they had to come up with quick, drastic measures.

What are some of the things we can do? Here are few items I have picked from the web.

"In supplement form, citrus and apple pectin have been shown to bind to and remove radioactive materials such as Cesium-137 from the body. Apple pectin is known to draw radiation from the body. Russian doctors have found apple pectin to be among the most effective means for protecting against radiation when consuming contaminated foods is unavoidable. Pectin, along with vitamins and minerals, eliminates radionuclides ingested from foods."

"According to Dr. Christopher Busby, Science of Secretary at ECRR (European Committee on Radiation Risk) –>> Supplements for the body human: for adult 800 mg Calcium/ 350 mg Magnesium – blocks absorption of radionuclides strontium, plutonium and cesium. The ratio is important (webmed recommends even higher amounts of calcium, just remember to keep the ratio calcium/magnesium, and D3 helps with calcium absorption (about half that for a 10 year old child) PLUS antioxidants and minerals, micro-minerals… What I do: Vitamin C, 3-5 grams aka 3,000 – 5,000mg/day and B-complex, Antioxidants: A, E, D3…. broad array of Minerals (Mousseau, Chernobyl, Bird studies: anti-oxidants help the body remain more resilient to the effects of contaminants)."

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Myself, I tend to picture the body as a cup. If that cup is full of the minerals it needs and is full of the minerals that radioactive minerals will fill if empty, then ingesting the radioactive stuff will just pass through quickly.

Stay out of the rain seems like a no-brainer. Be careful what I eat and drink. (Note: I do eat canned tuna. Screw it, I love it!!) Some people go so far as to kick off their shoes before entering the house. (Not me). One thing I wish we as a society would do is get accurate monitoring going nationwide. There are some fly-by-night radiation monitors but I won't recommend them here. We need government monitoring.

I do not, repeat, do NOT see this as an Extinction Level Event - ELE-

[flamingdem]

1. A pound of prevention

I think the main way to avoid exposure as far as Fuku goes is to limit Pacific fish consumption until tests are done. While they're not being done in California to my knowledge there are some fishermen doing independent testing in Canada.

[RobertEarl]

5. That's a good thing

I won't eat mussels, clams, or any oysters again. Even the Chinese have quit buying such as those from the PNW.

There is a need for testing in the Pacific and requests for funding are being asked for. The government is shying away from testing.

It will probably be awhile before a whole bunch of NW pacific fish are contaminated too badly. So if one wants to pick and chose, it may be perfectly safe. Then to be even safer, load up on the things the pros suggest that will clean out your system.

[RobertEarl]

27. Here's one government report of testing

NMSU research center in Carlsbad monitors environmental effects of nuclear facility

By Emily C. Kelley
Las Cruces News, Dec. 8, 2013

SNIP...

Fukushima

On March 11, 2011, a tsunami hit the Fukushima Daiichi power plant in Japan, causing the plant to lose the ability to cool its reactors, resulting in a meltdown. On March 14, CEMRC observed activity from this event in their environmental filters.

"It took roughly three days (for radioactive material) to come 10,000 miles," Hardy said. "It was low-level activity, below any environmental concern, but we started seeing iodine-131, tellurium and cesium. We know that it came from Fukushima because of when it happened and because each of the nuclear incidents -- whether it's Chernobyl, Fukushima or Three Mile Island -- they each use different mixtures in their fuel rods and they have different types of reactors. When they have an incident, they create their own signature. Looking at these ratios of plutonium, americium and cesium, you can determine which event it was tied to."

"The four times that we've seen plutonium out in the desert (from a 1960 Atomic Energy Commission underground explosion 12 miles from Carlsbad), as well as the Fukushima incident, just validates that what we're doing works," Hardy said. "Most of the time we see zero, and that's a good thing, but if there ever were a release, we would be able see it and with the data that we have, be able to determine where it came from."

SOURCE: http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-news/ci_24682250/nmsu-research-center-carlsbad-monitors-environmental-effects-nuclear

[RobertEarl]

30. This report confirms: worldwide

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110407121343.htm

And that's just what came out the first couple of weeks. Since then, for over 1000 days now, it has been burping and vomiting its guts into the air and ocean.

[RobertEarl]

36. Why is this so important?

Because there are 100+ nuclear power plants in the US and another 300+ in the rest of the world. They are, in my opinion, ticking time bombs.

We were told that Fukushima type problems were NOT going to happen.

They lied. It happened, it has spread around the world. That is how powerful nuclear is. It is something to be aware of.

[NuclearDem]

34. "Below any environmental concern"

Well that's worth a run on the iodine tablets!

[longship]

2. Arrrrrgh! Fukushima!!!!!!!!!!

Run around!


However, I am glad that this is not viewed as an extinction level event.

Maybe I should put my hair out then. But all your scary posts say that I should continue to run around.

(Sometimes ridicule is the only rational response to repeated hyperbolic bullshit.)

Yup! So far, all ridicule...

[NuclearDem]

10. Wait, I'm confused. I had stocked up on iodine tablets, Geiger counters, and nonperishables.

I even moved into some great new digs:


So, can I come out or not? I don't know if the Fukuplutonium is going to kill me horribly or not.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. That looks cozy

[NuclearDem]

15. Quite.

Bit of a mutant roach problem, but that's what the flamethrowers are for.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. Flame broiled roaches

Don't knock it, actually insects are eaten around the world.


http://www.businessinsider.com/bugs-as-food-around-the-world-2013-5

[longship]

14. I have filled the cellar with Spam and canned beans.

Good eatin'!!!

I am ready!!!

[hack89]

21. Hopefully you also stocked up on air freshener. nt

[muriel_volestrangler]

19. Unfortunately, all the water you'd use to put out your hair came from the rain

of the past 2 years, and the rain is what Robert is desperate to warn us about. So you'll just have to remain indoors with your burning hair. Smoke from burning hair has not been the subject of controlled health tests, so we'll assume it's not as bad for you as that awful rain. On the plus side, the running has been determined to be good for your health, as excellent aerobic exercise.

This also means that Gen. Ripper's favoured drink of grain alcohol and rainwater is now contaminated. Those damn commies will stop at nothing...

[NuclearDem]

3. Great, these tips will come in handy after that 2.5 tons of tuna.

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Thank God I can't stand the taste of mussels though! I already have enough problems showing up pasty and wasted at the beach.

Myself, I tend to picture the body as a cup. If that cup is full of the minerals it needs and is full of the minerals that radioactive minerals will fill if empty, then ingesting the radioactive stuff will just pass through quickly.

You even got some biology pseudoscience in with your Fukuwoo! Is there any field of science you won't misrepresent or make shit up about out?

[LeftyMom]

4. You need to read/listen to this.

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4397

You probably won't, because you have some emotional investment in running around with your hair on fire. But you should.

Are you starting a new thread because nobody with half a brain and thirty seconds to google buys your claim that Fukushima caused a sea star disease that's existed since at least the mid 90's?

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. Earlier than that if we take into account Native American and Spanish

Writing.

At least it us not an ELE, just looks like one.

What is hilarious is that those measures are for major issues, not micro sievert level measurements.

[Rex]

6. At least the anti-hair on fire brigade stepped in

stomping out all those fires around the planet must get tiring. Thankfully the Chattanooga Fire Academy trains for this kind of thing.

[longship]

7. One presumes that those are anti-rad suits.

If so, they're good to go.


Gonna to go to Wally World to pick mine up as soon as I get dug out from all this cursed snow. Hopefully, with all the panic in the streets from Fukushima Daiichi, they'll still have them in stock. The fucking Geiger counters have been sold out for weeks. Damn!!!

(Sometimes ridicule is the only rational response to ridiculous propositions and unscientific claims.)

[Rex]

8. No silly, the power of dance!

Overcomes everything you silly billy!

[longship]

9. I hang my head in shame...

My very bad.

Don't tell me it's the Lord of the Dance. Can't stand Michael Flatley. Who appointed him lord?

[XemaSab]

24. That was awesome!

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Wait, no iodine...

I'm left down, gasp!!!!

Oy

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Now I am going to be very serious

These measures are recommended in case of a major, and I mean major release, where you get serious gross contamination. I am shocked I tell you that you forgot things like washing your victim in the buff with really nice brushes and soap using several washing stations. They also include a team doing this in a full decontamination suit. We include rad detectors here, on each team member who us doing the washing and while rough, better not break the skin.

The chelating agents are also meant for very serious contamination. They are also kind of considered a last ditch effort.

Right now we are (benefit of the doubt here) in the micro sievert level in some areas. Unless you intend to enter the exclusion zone in Fukushima, you will not need any of this, and that includes the iodine pills stocked by civil defense. Taking chelating agents, or the iodine, can have very serious, in rare cases deadly, effects.

This is not a game. But do proceed with the Gish-Gallop here.

[longship]

18. Chelating is not a trivial medical procedure.

It has become a bit of a fad in the quack medicine community, but it has high risks.

To promote it here is not just wrong, but quite dangerous.

Chelation Therapy

Thank you, Nadine for bringing this topic up. Sometimes ridicule isn't enough. Sometimes one has to get serious and take down abject quackery like is exhibited in this OP.

Anybody who takes this OP seriously is likely making a very sad mistake.

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. We actually had to do it with one of the conures

Fun fact, coins have zinc, and it has serious neurological effects when in high doses. If you are a parrot parent do not let them play with your change, no matter how cute. We learned it the hard way. Vet did not tell us side effects, but the alternative was a dead bird.

Oh fifteen years later she is fine, and no bird toys with metal on them, unless it is surgical steel, for her either.

[snooper2]

31. I didn't know you were a radation specialist too! Damn you are into everything!

know anything about small engine repair?

[loli phabay]

32. lol, its the google, it makes us all look like experts.

[SidDithers]

20. ...

Sid

[Logical]

22. Not this again! nt

[Bluenorthwest]

23. There is government radiation monitoring, State and Federal

Oregon tests air, water and sand, constantly. It's not fly by night. I've followed our monitors since the event in Japan. Clearly you have not.

[MineralMan]

25. Way overkill, there Robert.

Your advice is way over the top for the almost negligible risk posed by Fukushima in the United States. But, I think you know that already.

[MineralMan]

26. OMG! I'm ordering one of these ASAP!

It's only $1300! A small price to pay in the face of the massive radiation from Fukushima!

[MineralMan]

28. 'Note: I do eat canned tuna.'

Dude: The mercury in that is WAY riskier than any radiation it might contain. And the mercury levels are below safe levels, anyhow. You're posting alarmist nonsense in this thread. Please don't do that.

Do whatever you want for yourself, if you feel threatened. But please don't advise others to do as you're doing. That's way beyond your level of competence, I'm afraid.

[hunter]

33. I don't eat canned tuna.

It bothers me quite a bit that most ocean fishing is unsustainable and most factory fishing ships use slave or wage slave labor.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2013/09/03/218558466/thai-fishing-sector-among-worlds-largest-cited-for-abuses

Not to mention "side catch." Turtles, dolphins, sharks, etc.

Even canned factory farmed chicken is better than that.

[MineralMan]

35. OK. Nobody is required to eat canned tuna,

as far as I know. That's not really the point of my post, anyhow.

[snooper2]

29. you crack me up, I used to think you were serious about your woo

But now I see you are just playing games with people on a random message board..


Thanks Bobby!

And thanks for letting everyone know this isn't a extinction level event! I was about to sell everything and build a bunker in the woods LOL