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HomerRamone

(1,112 posts)
Tue Jan 28, 2014, 11:41 AM Jan 2014

Krugman: “But they have cell phones!”

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/01/28/money-and-class/

when we talk about being middle class, I’d argue that we have two crucial attributes of that status in mind: security and opportunity.

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If you don’t have these things, I would say that you don’t lead a middle-class life, even if you have a car and a few electronic gadgets that weren’t around during the era when most Americans really were middle class, and no matter how clean, sober, and prudent your behavior may be.

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surely it’s obvious when you think about it (and if you have any sense of the realities of life). A lot of Americans — quite arguably a majority — just don’t have the prerequisites for middle-class life as we’ve always understood it.

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we could, if we chose, guarantee the essentials of middle-class existence for almost all Americans; other advanced countries do it. Universal health care is the norm; we’re finally making a partial move toward that norm, but the right is fighting that move hysterically. Universal good basic education and free or cheap college education are available in other advanced countries.
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Krugman: “But they have cell phones!” (Original Post) HomerRamone Jan 2014 OP
There are two classes in the USA, people with cash, and people with debt. nt bemildred Jan 2014 #1
And, while Companies are not People; dickthegrouch Jan 2014 #2
"The point is we could guarantee a middle-class existence for almost all Americans, other pampango Jan 2014 #3
You can get a lot of good smart phones for free NewJeffCT Jan 2014 #4
Some of us aren't financially secure enough to commit to a contract. HomerRamone Jan 2014 #5
What if your credit is bad? awoke_in_2003 Jan 2014 #6

dickthegrouch

(3,172 posts)
2. And, while Companies are not People;
Tue Jan 28, 2014, 01:17 PM
Jan 2014

Idiots like Carl Icahn want to transform companies like Apple from a multi-billion dollar cash-rich one into one laden with debt just to satisfy his greed.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
3. "The point is we could guarantee a middle-class existence for almost all Americans, other
Tue Jan 28, 2014, 01:28 PM
Jan 2014

advanced countries do it."

The sad thing is that our fetishization of the middle class, our pretense that we are almost all members of that class, is a major reason so many of us aren't. That's why a growing appreciation of class realities on the part of the public is a good thing ..."

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
4. You can get a lot of good smart phones for free
Tue Jan 28, 2014, 02:18 PM
Jan 2014

if you just commit to a two year contract. And, some companies don't even require that much commitment. If you drop your land line, you've paid for a good portion of the monthly cost of a smart phone.

So, that's what I always say when people bring up the poor & middle class having cell phones. (Of course, it's the Obama free phone bribery program...)



HomerRamone

(1,112 posts)
5. Some of us aren't financially secure enough to commit to a contract.
Tue Jan 28, 2014, 03:16 PM
Jan 2014

And land lines are often thrown in practically free when you get a bundle of cable and net...

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