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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWATCH: Wounded Army Ranger Gets Standing Ovation At SOTU
President Barack Obama honored Cory Remsberg, an Army sergeant who was wounded on his tenth deployment in Afghanistan, during Tuesday's State of the Union address.
"My recovery has not been easy,' he says. 'Nothing in life thats worth anything is easy,'" Obama said of Remsberg's grueling efforts to learn to speak and walk again after he was wounded by a roadside bomb.
"Cory is here tonight," he continued to a standing ovation for the Army ranger. "And like the Army he loves, like the America he serves, Sergeant First Class Cory Remsburg never gives up, and he does not quit."
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/army_ranger_cory_remsburg_honored_sotu
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Obama politicizes the military to end his speech. Totally expected, Mr. President. #SOTU
@CongHuelskamp
We've got to kick these guys out of the majority in 2014.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/01/28/1273225/-President-Obama-delivers-State-of-the-Union-address-5#20140128192223
DO WE!!!
ProSense
(116,464 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)fuckwits.
Rex
(65,616 posts)You know how those morans are, they can barely stand to clap for the man they loath him so much. If it was up to the GOP, there would be no VA.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)DU - where Republican talking points get a second life.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)ugh
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)MineralMan
(146,286 posts)the same thing? It's really confusing.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Titonwan
(785 posts)Why when you can slap a 'Support our Troops' sticker on yer car and you're good to go! Buy a flag and know you're healed. Let others do ten tours. Not in my back yard.
The military got all big business and figured out a volunteer army is cheaper. Kinda like a McDonald's or Walmart thing. Low but steady pay for poor folks who had no other job prospects. And border line psychopaths for our ever growing larger special forces chaps.
If they were serious, there would be a draft. They're not- "War is a Racket".
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)given their grumble points.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)I mean, WTF?
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Not particularly surprising.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)then just take the opinion of one poster without any other evidence of their own...and never even see the irony of that!
Cha
(297,154 posts)Teacons too.. they didn't want to be caught not honoring our Troops.
The gopropaganda machine isn't the only one who's whining about St Cory Remsburg.. like PBO wasn't suppose to mention he had "10 Deployments" leading up to and including 2009. Poor thing.
And, not getting the history that these two men have shared. Just ready to jump on PBO for perceived "derps".. The Rage thread..
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)13 years at this makes one an expert at claptrap, I guess.
Cha
(297,154 posts)"13 years at this makes one an expert at claptrap, I guess." Wired!
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Cory Remsberg is a true American Hero with an unbelievable positive attitude!!
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)LordGlenconner
(1,348 posts)And judging by the reaction from the usual whiners it was an effective night for the POTUS.
JI7
(89,247 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)I hope they find a cure for this disease very soon....maybe a vaccine?
Chiquitita
(752 posts)because saying something is "moving" seems too vague to people worried about the rhetorical effects of this -- in what direction does it "move" us? People have emotions and they can't stand to see others die, commit suicide and be wounded.
Hopefully the applause doesn't provide a catharsis. It would be bad if all who were guilty of promoting the wars can feel a sense of release in their recognition for Cory Remsberg's service. The whole thing evoked a lot of emotion, but will this emotion actually be channeled into stopping the wars and not just become a kind of feel good patriotism?
People are just working out how they feel about this. I don't know, maybe it was an attempt by the President to create a sea change by having people see the effects of violence, reminiscent of a sort of Emmett Till moment.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)They do NOT want to see the results of the wars they launch.
hunter
(38,310 posts)... just the things that will never be unseen.
I guess Obama addressed that by talking about mental health issues, but these young veterans should never have been there in the first place.
One kid I know was put to work in Iraq collecting parts of servicemen who were dead and couldn't be put back together, some of them still warm, almost whole, and even breathing, the most god-awful chore of triage imaginable. Most of the body here, but essential organs over there.
The fully dead did not scar him so much as the soon to be dead.
These things people experience in war can be nearly as bad as shrapnel in the brain.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Which for the longest time the VA didn't take seriously (right wingers claimed a lot of guys faked it).
N_E_1 for Tennis
(9,715 posts)I posted in another thread that the supporters of theses "actions" should visit a VA hospital, talk to some vets. See, feel the wounds that our servicemen/women have endured.
It would change some stances here.
I was first introduced to the VA because of my heart condition. I had a high risk quad-bypass and was stuck in the hospital for about a month. I got to talk to a lot of vets, of course because that's all the patients. New vets, old vets, in between. I still go now not only for my check ups but just to visit. Not all have families close to the hospital since the VA hospital is not local. Some of these guys and gals get no visits on a daily basis for friends or family. It's the same across the country.
I urge you go visit. You will be changed.
Edit:
Hunter had to add, not you personally, but the collective "you".
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)He even got props from the Orange Man.
JI7
(89,247 posts)of Remsburg and Obama. it's a very long article and worth reading but i quote that one part because they both gave the thumbs up during the speech and applause.
<Cory still couldnt speak, but he looked me in the eye, the president said later. He lifted his arm, and he shook my hand firmly. And when I asked how he was feeling, he held up his hand, pulled his fingers together and gave a thumbs up. >
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/23/us/politics/obama-and-a-soldier-3-meetings-and-a-lesson-in-resilience.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Number23
(24,544 posts)I'm not getting it.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)it is still military-fetishizing flag sucking perpetuating the myth that projection of force overseas is needed to secure our freedom, liberty and safety here.
It is what sickened my about Bush and it continues to sicken me.
It feels... manipulative and cheap.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)And our military footprint.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"it is still military-fetishizing flag sucking perpetuating the myth that projection of force overseas is needed to secure our freedom, liberty and safety here."
You and others took a special moment in that soldier's life and decided it was an opportunity to rage at the machine. You cheapened his entire existence for your thrills.
This kind of tribute happens all the time, be it a low-income worker, a single mom, a person who did something extraodinary, etc.
No one reacted this way to the tribute last year.
This is sick opportunistic shit, and if it make you feel superior, well that's on you.
TM99
(8,352 posts)You said it yourself even though you try to warp it with your projection.
This kind of tribute happens all the time, be it a low-income worker, a single mom, a person who did something extraodinary, etc.
It is used all the time - in political speeches for propaganda purposes. Yes, all....the....fucking....time!
Superior my ass! But by the graces of fate, after 3 tours, I did not end up like that poor Sgt. But I know many, many, many men and women who did.
We react this way because Obama is just another politician making promises to get elected but rarely following through on them. He did not end the war in Iraq. Bush did, and he fought it till the end. He did not end the war in Afghanistan. He pushed and got a surge of troops. He hasn't ended the war on terror. He is escalating it with drone strikes and using it as a justification for illegal uses of spying by the NSA on the American public at large. So yes, 6 years after the pretty speeches, some of us who were against this bullshit war on terror under Bush are just as much so under Obama.
Many expected the Democrat to act differently. I didn't because he is just another politician.
Superior my ass! But by the graces of fate, after 3 tours, I did not end up like that poor Sgt. But I know many, many, many men and women who did.
<...>
Many expected the Democrat to act differently. I didn't because he is just another politician.
...what a confusing mess of nonsense. In summary: It happens all the time...Superior my ass! Many of them are gullible, but I'm superior.
"We react this way because Obama is just another politician making promises..."
You got that part right: This is more knee-jerk bullshit because...Obama.
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JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)If so - can you explain that sentence?
I had two cousins deployed in Iraq when Obama took office and now they are back on US soil . . . at last. But when Obama took office - one had completed two tours in Iraq and was in their third and the other was in the midst of their second tour in Iraq.
Just confused because I have so many active duty service men in my family and we weren't aware when we were sending care packages to them that Bush had already ended the war.
Thanks in advance for your assistance!
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Those who are perpetuating the "Bush ended the Iraq War" lie should be ashamed of themselves. But they're not. Even by posts like yours.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)and then tell us we are the problem.
cali
(114,904 posts)the deplorable shit that people condemned under bushco, they praise under Obama. same shit.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"what you said, B. 10 deployments. sickening. the deplorable shit that people condemned under bushco, they praise under Obama. same shit."
...did anyone "praise" Obama for "10 deployments"? The problem is some people apparently feel the need to make up shit to condemn others. Why?
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)and millions of American don't even know. Last night if they listened they learned that very important issue. Corporate media is not covering that part at all.
Some here seem to think that they "we just don't get it". Yes we do. I dislike wars, period. But as explained to me by military family members, a slow pull out would be the best result in hopefully securing some safety of that part of the world for allies in the middle east.
warrant46
(2,205 posts)For the enrichment of the ruling class
Sickening
ProSense
(116,464 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)How can that be a "lie"?
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Yes an agreement was made between the Bush Adm and the Iraq Gov but the USA had the last decision. Some Generals as well as many congresscritters wanted to remain fighting in Iraq, including, yours truly McCain. If McCain had won the election, the United States of America would still be there fighting and dying. Pres O's Administration ended the war in Iraq by pulling our soldiers out, slowly.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)And so the agreement made under Bush required us to leave in spite of what Obama wanted.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Last edited Wed Jan 29, 2014, 07:04 PM - Edit history (1)
Obama's negotiators negotiated to stay longer as part of an 11-dimensional chess strategy aimed at not staying longer. So maybe you're right.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)although obviously it didn't work. GOPers would have remain there and there's no doubt about that. So, instead of one unwarranted war, we still would have been in two to date. In other words, GOP Prez would have keep our troops in Iraq regardless of such agreement and that's a fact.
Now Iraq wished we did stay.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)He will be kicked to the curb now that they have used him for their sick show.
I missed the SOTU last night, I am glad. This video pisses me off.
We need to fucking charge war criminals with war crimes. We need to stop the War machine now. No more money for war. We need to pull these boys back from around the globe and re-purpose them to building out infrastructure here in the states.
What happened to this young man is a travesty. I want to punch every Senator/Representative in the face that voted for war. They are all criminals. This boy was the victim, one of a countless number of victims.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)He's got the courage and he wanted to be there, period.
As to the rest of your comments - right on!
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)He is the victim here. He has much courage, I will not deny this. He stood in a room full of people who do not give two shits about him and used him to further their goals after destroying his life for MIC profits.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)moondust
(19,972 posts)that the chickenhawks in particular are forced to face some of the broken, disfigured lives they have created with their bellicosity and war profiteering. There is some chance that it will make a lasting impression and help to discourage future warmongering.
"Hope lives when people remember." - Simon Wiesenthal.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)Republicans and conservatives [and some derpologists] have spent 4 years spreading the lie that President Obama hasnt done anything for veterans [and use them heartlessly as props]. They have repeated it 100x per day for all 4 years and spent millions promoting their lies. The thing about records is that they are recorded. So lets set the record straight.
Quick Overview:
Initiated a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses. ref, ref
Improved benefits for veterans. ref, ref, ref, ref
Interagency Task Force on Veterans Small Business Development . ref
Worked to clear the backlog of veterans claims and streamline benefits to those who served. ref
Provided for the expenses of families of to be at Dover AFB when fallen soldiers arrive.ref
Donated 250K of Nobel prize money to Fisher House. ref
Veterans Health Care Budget Reform and Transparency Act of 2009. ref
Veterans Compensation Cost-of-Living Adjustment Act of 2009. ref
Medal of Honor Commemorative Coin Act of 2009. ref
Promoted a bill to award a Congressional Gold Medal to the Women Airforce Service Pilots (WASP). ref
Ended media blackout on war casualties; reporting full information. ref , ref, ref , ref
Military Spouses Residency Relief Act. ref
Improved basic housing allowance for military personnel. ref
Caregivers and Veterans Omnibus Health Services Act of 2010. ref
Provided minimum essential health care coverage by Veterans Affairs. ref
Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans. ref
Korean War Veterans Recognition Act. ref
Blinded Veterans Association. ref
Major Charles R. Soltes, Jr., O.D. Department of Veterans Affairs Blind Rehabilitation Center. ref
Improved access for Veterans to receive PTSD treatment. ref
Green Vet Initiative to promote environmental jobs for veterans. ref
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)But still, pukes spread lies. Even some vets believe the crap. Very sad.
Titonwan
(785 posts)It's pathetic to parade a soldier brutally wounded by ten damned tours in a country not worth a damned strategically nor tactically. Why not go full eleven cynical and display a camp flag shot through with shrapnel like swiss cheese?
It's a sad day we have to honor a man that should have been sent home after two, maybe three tours, at most. I did one and done (VN) but I have lots of buddies that did two and they're a sad bunch. The three tour buddies are border line psycho. No man, or woman should have to endure ten god damned tours. It's inhuman to ask such a thing.
If our 'leaders' really believed in just war and defense, then they (and Us) need to remember how it's done in the past.
1) Pay for it (war bonds, 90% taxes on industry)
2) DECLARE it a war.
3) Stay out of other country's grill and they won't be fuckin' wid ya.
4) Stop playing Empire, it's pissin' the rest of the world off.
5) Bring back the draft (I mean, if we're gonna be serious- let's be serious, no? Share the pain, with no draft deferments to the rich and powerful like Dick 'five timer' Cheney).
No, instead of seeing an example of what our senseless wars have wrought, I'd much rather hear/see/know that Walter Reed and all the other Veterans facilities were up to modern standards and not the Ike relics they are now. How about disability pay that doesn't make a life long pauper out of a soldier?
Or PTSD centers easily accessible? Or just maybe, STOP BEING ROME VERSION 2.0? Imagine that (h/t Pete Seeger, John Lennon)
Rex
(65,616 posts)Watched a good friend lose his family after 4 deployments to Iraq. I cannot imagine the hell of 10 deployments.
Titonwan
(785 posts)He has a white line in his forearm Devil Dog tattoo which was burned there from an AK47 round that ricocheted off his elbow, entered his lower skull, circled around in his cranium exiting through his right eye socket.
He wanted to go back for a fourth tour but the doctors determined he was ate up with the cray cray.
Let's just say I don't worry about my six with this buddy around.