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babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:18 PM Jan 2014

Therapist To The 1 Percent Weighs in on The Psychological Hardship Of Being Rich

< - - - Smallest one I could find.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/01/therapist-class-warfare-tom-perkins


Therapist To The 1 Percent Weighs in on The Psychological Hardship Of Being Rich

—By Erika Eichelberger
| Thu Jan. 30, 2014 7:57 AM GMT


Last week, billionaire investor Tom Perkins of the venture capital firm Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers sent a letter to the editor of The Wall Street Journal likening criticism of the one percent to Nazi attacks on the Jews. He's not an outlier. As Paul Krugman pointed out on Sunday, the rich have been lamenting the "demonizing" and "vilifying" of the one percent for years. "I… suspect that today’s Masters of the Universe are insecure about the nature of their success," Krugman wrote. But the wealthy are not just afraid of losing their money to an angry middle class. Class warfare also makes the rich uncomfortable because they worry the non-rich are judging their character and personality by how much money they have, according to therapists who counsel the rich.

"I think that with Occupy Wall Street there was a sense of the heat getting turned up and a feeling of vilification and potential danger," Jamie Traeger-Muney, a psychologist who counsels people who earn tens of millions of dollars a year, told Politico on Thursday. "There is a worry among our clients that they are being judged and people are making assumptions about who they are based on their wealth."

In 2012, Mother Jones reported on how banks, including Wells Fargo and Morgan Stanley, are increasingly hiring psychotherapists like Traeger-Muney to help their extremely wealthy clients deal with the complications that come with being extremely wealthy. Here's a bit more of what wealth therapists can tell us about how the rich may be feeling right now:

Although wealth counseling has existed for years, the 2008 financial crisis really sent the aristocracy sprinting for the therapist's chair. The 2010 Capgemini/Merrill Lynch World Wealth Report, a survey that takes the pulse of zillionaires around the world, found that after the crisis, spooked clients were demanding "specialized advice." Financial advisers must "truly understand the emotional aspects of client behavior," the report warned…

"Any time there's an outside focus on wealth," it's not fun for the wealthy, {Traeger-Muney} says. Heirs, she adds, have it the worst: "They feel like they're in this 1 percent position. They get bad press from people who make fun of them. It feels like their worst nightmare coming true: the idea that they're now responsible for other people's unhappiness and lack of wealth, when they didn't ask for {their millions}."

Ultimately, having lots of money shouldn't be cause for alarm. "There's a difference between money causing problems and a lack of ability to explore feelings around money," Traeger-Muney says. "That's what leads to psychological issues." She just tries to get her clients to acknowledge the fact that they're rolling in dough and learn how to enjoy it. "What would life be like if they didn't have any restraints and could really create what they wanted?"

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Therapist To The 1 Percent Weighs in on The Psychological Hardship Of Being Rich (Original Post) babylonsister Jan 2014 OP
Money bemildred Jan 2014 #1
Poverty can also own you. Jackpine Radical Jan 2014 #4
Poverty owns you worse for sure. nt bemildred Jan 2014 #22
to these half wits... boo hoo. when the revolution finally comes they will be easy to find roguevalley Jan 2014 #53
If they feel so terrible about getting millions they never asked for cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #2
The last sentence is interesting Armstead Jan 2014 #3
I noticed that too. Brigid Jan 2014 #11
Ohhhh... Blus4u Jan 2014 #5
Sounds like a job for the guillotines Newsjock Jan 2014 #6
The mind reels... Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #7
My heart fucking breaks for them. smokey nj Jan 2014 #8
Too bad the rest of us can't afford counseling . . . Brigid Jan 2014 #9
Truth laundry_queen Jan 2014 #17
Oh my! eShirl Jan 2014 #10
Bottom line-- marions ghost Jan 2014 #12
must be curbed... grasswire Jan 2014 #33
I'm down with that idea...taxation marions ghost Jan 2014 #39
"What would life be like if they didn't have any restraints and could really create what they wanted Fumesucker Jan 2014 #13
I don't think anyone is upset about how rich they are. It is more about what they do with their jwirr Jan 2014 #14
I'm upset at how rich they are marions ghost Jan 2014 #15
When you have more money than you can ever spend Thirties Child Jan 2014 #16
Bingo TroglodyteScholar Jan 2014 #36
Life catches up with sci-fi: from "So long, and thanks for all the fish", published 1984 muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #18
"look at the way the whole economy is structured" marions ghost Jan 2014 #20
Wealth inequality sucks for everyone. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #19
If its so hard, then why not just give up the burden? Lunacee_2013 Jan 2014 #21
So she makes the owners feel better about their slaves. Rex Jan 2014 #23
Awwwww, poor babies LiberalEsto Jan 2014 #24
Thom Hartmann sees greed as a psychological disorder: marions ghost Jan 2014 #25
Ah, cry me a river! KansDem Jan 2014 #26
if only there were a way they could be not wealthy. sadly, it's completely out of their control. unblock Jan 2014 #27
there is a way. Taxation as an intervention. grasswire Jan 2014 #40
of course there are ways for *us* to cure them unblock Jan 2014 #47
I can definitely relate to this Tree-Hugger Jan 2014 #28
I hear you, friend. grasswire Jan 2014 #41
Thank you!! Tree-Hugger Jan 2014 #49
"What would life be like if they didn't have any restraints...?" Buns_of_Fire Jan 2014 #29
If it's a hardship to be rich defacto7 Jan 2014 #30
Spooked clients were demanding "specialized advice".... bluesbassman Jan 2014 #31
Just what kind of assumptions should I make about people Generic Other Jan 2014 #32
It sucks when everybody wants a piece of you. AngryAmish Jan 2014 #34
They get sad when we fight back? TroglodyteScholar Jan 2014 #35
+1 Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #57
Meh. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2014 #37
Someone needs a Valium and some Acqua di Cristallo Tributo a Modigliani. Solly Mack Jan 2014 #38
FFS ... nt TBF Jan 2014 #42
Does the therapist tell them it's going to be ok..relax, your tax loop holes are here to stay? Jefferson23 Jan 2014 #43
Sounds like a co-dependency problem to me Duer 157099 Jan 2014 #44
They're all worried that someone will make them poor. Octafish Jan 2014 #45
For The Win! HangOnKids Jan 2014 #50
This is NOT the Onion??!! riderinthestorm Jan 2014 #46
Get ready to take notes, distraught 1%ers Incitatus Jan 2014 #48
Well, I'm judging them even more now. bravenak Jan 2014 #51
remember that commercial, "Don't hate me because I'm beautiful" ? Skittles Jan 2014 #52
The hardest part would be coping with the damage your wealth causes. raouldukelives Jan 2014 #54
According to Warren Buffett, there was class warfare and his class won Gothmog Jan 2014 #55
Your money's not shackled to you! You are free to give it up. ck4829 Jan 2014 #56

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
1. Money
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:25 PM
Jan 2014
To walk in money through the night crowd, protected by money, lulled by money, dulled by money, the crowd itself a money, the breath money, no least single object anywhere that is not money, money, money everywhere and still not enough, and then no money, or a little money or less money or more money, but money, always money, and if you have money or you don’t have money it is the money that counts and money makes money, but what makes money make money?
-- Henry Miller in "Tropic of Capricorn"

What I find is that when you have too much money, it owns you.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
53. to these half wits... boo hoo. when the revolution finally comes they will be easy to find
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:04 AM
Jan 2014

They live in the big houses

cinnabonbon

(860 posts)
2. If they feel so terrible about getting millions they never asked for
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:25 PM
Jan 2014

I know of ways to solve their terrible problem.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
3. The last sentence is interesting
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:29 PM
Jan 2014

"...She just tries to get her clients to acknowledge the fact that they're rolling in dough and learn how to enjoy it. "What would life be like if they didn't have any restraints and could really create what they wanted?"..."

Based on evidence in the real-world, I don'lt think many of them feel many restraints. They're ":creating": pretty much what they want.,...and "to hell with everyone else."

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
11. I noticed that too.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:54 PM
Jan 2014

There are few, if any, restraints on the wealthy. The rest of us, we're just thinking about survival.

Newsjock

(11,733 posts)
6. Sounds like a job for the guillotines
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:41 PM
Jan 2014

Poof, no more "psychological hardship" ... or psychological anything. Poor babies.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
9. Too bad the rest of us can't afford counseling . . .
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:47 PM
Jan 2014

To deal with the stresses the wealthy created for us: Like unemployment, lousy pay and benefits if you do find a job, student loan debt, a degraded environment, threats to Social Security, reduced SNAP benefits, and stolen pensions, just to name a few.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
17. Truth
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:22 PM
Jan 2014

My kids need counselling as do I thanks to a divorce from a sociopathic husband. I grew up with narcissistic parents and likely need some deep counselling to overcome the damage. Can I afford it? Nope. One of my kids was in therapy for a bit, my ex promised to pay and did for awhile until he found out that the child psychologist we were seeing met with me too every so often to make sure I was doing the right things. She also counselled me a bit. It was part of the treatment plan for my daughter but when my ex found out that I was seeing the psychologist as part of the plan, he stopped paying for it. I had to cover the last bill (which I could ill afford) and I couldn't take my daughter back because I was broke.

Anyhow, I don't feel sorry for the rich. Maybe the therapist would be worth their salt if they said, "hey, I know a good fix for that stress - use your money to help people! Give away so much you are no longer so rich. voila! problem solved."

eShirl

(18,490 posts)
10. Oh my!
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:48 PM
Jan 2014

"There is a worry among our clients that they are being judged and people are making assumptions about who they are based on their wealth."

Kind of like how someone using an EBT card at the grocery store is judged?


marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
12. Bottom line--
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:55 PM
Jan 2014

Most people who are filthy rich in America really did not "earn" it, but they feel they are entitled to it anyway.
And they almost never share it. (If they have to share, they resent it). They are sucking this country dry and at some level they know that. What power.

With this world view--it's not hard to understand why the rich feel hurt that anyone would think them a greedy narcissist creep. They think of themselves as so deserving of everything good.

The rich must be curbed because they cannot curb themselves. Money obsession and accumulation of wealth on the backs of others--this is a disease.

So if the rich are feeling the hate--good. They need to have some sleepless nights, like the people they exploit.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
33. must be curbed...
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:17 PM
Jan 2014

....for other dysfunctions, we might hold an intervention.

For money hoarding, the curbing should be the same. An intervention in the form of strong taxation.

For their own good. Just like a hoarding intervention.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
39. I'm down with that idea...taxation
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:19 PM
Jan 2014

to curb hoarding of money and relieve income inequality. Works in other parts of the world. If we learn nothing from this "recession" we should learn that the rich WILL NOT willingly share the wealth. Instead they have squeezed us even more. It makes sense to see this destructive behavior as an addiction that we need to treat. Exploitation and abuse of power--is not normal. It's sociopathic. We are being victimized.
Mitt Rmoney's "47%" -- was there ever a more outrageous statement from a presidential contender?

But they have wrestled SO much power now...who will bring about any meaningful reforms of any kind?

Who will administer The Cure for this very sick society?

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
13. "What would life be like if they didn't have any restraints and could really create what they wanted
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:56 PM
Jan 2014

Has this person ever read Ayn Rand?



jwirr

(39,215 posts)
14. I don't think anyone is upset about how rich they are. It is more about what they do with their
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:00 PM
Jan 2014

money. Do they pay their fair share of taxes? Do they pay a living wage to their workers? Do support policies that help the poor? These are the things that they get judged for not the amount of their money. Only when what they have begins to destroy the country and the people within it does the question of income inequality come up.

They need to ask if themselves what kind of damage they may be doing by continuing this inequality. Unfortunately most if them cannot see the forest for the trees.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
15. I'm upset at how rich they are
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:13 PM
Jan 2014

relative to the rest of us, and the fact that they are destroying this country.

http://www.salon.com/2013/12/09/3_ways_the_super_rich_suck_wealth_from_the_rest_of_us_partner/

Monday, Dec 9, 2013 11:15 AM EST
3 ways the super-rich suck wealth from the rest of us

The facts are indisputable, the conclusion painful. The wealthiest people in the U.S. and around the world have used the stock market and the deregulated financial system to lay claim to the resources that should belong to all of us. This is not a matter of productive people benefiting from their contributions to society. This is a relatively small number of people extracting massive amounts of money through the financial system for accomplishing almost nothing.

1. They’ve Taken $1.6 Million Per Family in New Wealth Since the Recession

The richest 5% of American families each gained at least that much in five years, mostly from the stock market. Using data from Credit Suisse, the Economic Policy Institute, Pew Research, and the Census Bureau and two separate analyses (shown here and here), this extraordinary wealth grab can be calculated.

To briefly summarize, the richest 5% (six million households) own about two-thirds of the wealth, or about $10 trillion of the $15 trillion in financial wealth gained since the recession. That’s $1,667,000 per household. Calculations based on alternate sources resulted in a gain of over $2 million per household. It is noteworthy that most of their windfall came from stock market gains rather than from job-creating business ventures. The stock market has, once again, been forming an overblown bubble of wealth that does not reflect the relative degrees of productivity of workers around America. The market has more than doubled in value since the recession, and the richest 5% own about 80% of all non-pension stocks.

2. They Create Imaginary Money That Turns Real

The world’s wealth has doubled in a little over ten years. The financial industry has, in effect, created a whole new share of global wealth and redistributed much of it to itself.

In the U.S., financial sector profits as a percentage of corporate profits have been rising steadily over the past 30 years. The speculative, non-productive, and fee-generating derivatives market has increased to an unfathomable level of over $1 quadrillion – a thousand trillion dollars, twenty times more than the world economy. With the U.S. driving the expansion of this great bubble of wealth, our nation has become the fifth-most wealth-unequal country in the world, while global inequality ( between rather than within countries) has become even worse than for any one country. Just 250 individuals have more money than the total annual living expenses of almost half the world - three billion people.

3. They’ve Stopped Payment on Productive Americans


Reputable sources agree that the working class has not been properly compensated for its productivity, and that the “rent-seeking” behavior of the financial industry, rather than changes in technology, is extracting wealth from society. As a result, our median inflation-adjusted household wealth has dropped from $73,000 to $57,000 in a little over 25 years. We’ve lost another five percent of our wealth since the recession. Shockingly, only one out of four Americans, according to a survey by Bankrate.com, “have six months’ worth of expenses for use in emergency, the minimum recommended by many financial planning experts.”

The End Result? That suction-like sound is the financial industry soaking up our country’s wealth.

Thirties Child

(543 posts)
16. When you have more money than you can ever spend
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:17 PM
Jan 2014

Why do you need more? I would think that's the question the therapist should ask.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,306 posts)
18. Life catches up with sci-fi: from "So long, and thanks for all the fish", published 1984
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:00 PM
Jan 2014
He turned and opened his arms in a wide gesture, 'Do I look rich? he said.
'Don't know', said the girl. 'Maybe, maybe not. Maybe you'll get rich. I have a very special service for rich people ...'
'Oh yes?' said Ford, intrigued but careful. 'And what's that?'
'I tell them it's OK to be rich.'
...
'You what? he said.
The girl laughed and stepped forward a little out of the shadow. She was tall, and had that kind of self-possessed shyness which is a great trick if you can do it.
'It's my big number,' she said. I have a Master's degree in Social Economics and can be very convincing. People love it. Especially in this city.'
...
At the end of the alley a steel grey limousine crawled past.
Hey look,' said the girl, 'if you get paid, look me up. I'm a working girl, and there are people over there who need me. I gotta go.'
She brushed aside Ford's half-articulated protests, and left him sitting dejectedly on his garbage can preparing to watch a large swathe of his working life being swept away into the electronic ether.
...
Walking north again he passed a steel grey limousine parked by the kerbside, and from a nearby doorway he hears a soft voice saying 'It's OK, honey, really it's OK, you got to learn to feel good about it. Look at the way the whole economy is structured ...'


Douglas Adams was a prophet.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
20. "look at the way the whole economy is structured"
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:24 PM
Jan 2014

thanks for posting that--yes, Adams was a prophet. The goals and policies of this nation are now perfectly aligned with the demands of the greedy. And still they whine and complain.

Greed is a disease. Not very treatable with any amount of money.

Everyone who got their money through excessive acquisition and exploitation of others knows it, but they will never admit it.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
19. Wealth inequality sucks for everyone.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:13 PM
Jan 2014

It certainly sucks more for those for whom needs are unmet, but the effects are felt everywhere.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
23. So she makes the owners feel better about their slaves.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 03:49 PM
Jan 2014

Why would someone feel guilt, if there was no reason to? Good to know some of these rich assholes understand just how badly they are fucking over the world at our expense.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
25. Thom Hartmann sees greed as a psychological disorder:
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:07 PM
Jan 2014

"Another psychological disorder which is related to greed is hoarding, which is when a person accumulates a massive amount of valued objects for which that person has no practical use. Hoarding is usually only associated with socially isolated people who never throw anything away, resulting in extremely cluttered and unsanitary living conditions. However, the most damaging form of hoarding is money hoarding, yet this is routinely done by those who can and desire to do so, and celebrated by society and in publications such as Forbes Magazine and the Wall Street Journal. The richest among us have far more money that they could possibly ever need, or even use, but to them it is a game in which the richest one is the "winner." If we are to even casually consider where all this money comes from, it is immediately apparent that it comes from people who are not rich, people such as the United States' shrinking middle class, and that the rich are simply draining resources built by the sweat of others.

As a consequence of the previous consideration of psychopathology, I propose here that greed itself is a form of irrational behavior which should be considered a psychological disorder when too extreme. Greed is irrational and maladaptive because it hoards resources which the hoarders neither need, can use, nor deserve. Greed is also irrational and ultimately maladaptive because it represents a self-delusional mindset typified by Narcissistic Personality Disorder, or possibly Antisocial Personality Disorder. However, greed differs from any of the previously mentioned disorders in that the pursuit of financial wealth takes on a life and a power of its own, a power which can take over, and in some cases, ruin, a person's life, but more importantly, can lead to the ruin and/or degradation of many innocent person's lives. Greed is also correlated with the need for power and influence over others, which leads to people being drawn to politics for the wrong reasons. Money also stacks the political odds in favor of the rich, as we are seeing play out in American politics now. Until we have a system which does not allow excessive wealth or poverty of any one individual, until we have a system which does not allow the conflation of money and power, we will continue to have a corrupt political system which disproportionately draws from among the greedy and favors the greedy among us. Once we identify greed as a psycho-pathological behavior, and divest the political system of the greedy and the effects of greed, it will be as though we are waking up from a nightmare, to see a beautiful new day of social harmony and shared prosperity.

http://www.thomhartmann.com/users/natural-lefty/blog/2010/10/greed-psychological-disorder

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
40. there is a way. Taxation as an intervention.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:05 PM
Jan 2014

As noted above, extreme hoarders require an intervention. And so do money hoarders. That intervention can be in the form of taxation to relieve them of a good part of the wealth.

unblock

(52,196 posts)
47. of course there are ways for *us* to cure them
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:32 PM
Jan 2014

my point is, as much as they whine about the problems of wealth, how many of them simply choose to give it up for a life of non-wealth?

Tree-Hugger

(3,370 posts)
28. I can definitely relate to this
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:31 PM
Jan 2014

The other day, I found $15.00 in a jacket pocket. I was like, "I'm rich! I'm rich!" I even took a picture of my money. #poshlife Then, the wealth anxiety set in as I tried to decide what to do with it? Do I buy food? Do I buy gas? Do I splurge an bump the heat up to 61 degrees? Do I split it between food and gas? Do I put it towards my delinquent electric bill? I mean, there's so much anxiety that comes with having money.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,174 posts)
29. "What would life be like if they didn't have any restraints...?"
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:36 PM
Jan 2014

Pretty much like it is right now, I would guess. You know, like choosing which politician to buy, worrying about which marinade the unwashed masses are picking out for them, things like that.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
30. If it's a hardship to be rich
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:37 PM
Jan 2014

then they should stop it... Stop it right now!

I can think of some words... guilt, selfishness, immaturity, egotistical, cowardly, afeared...




(yes, I meant the spelling)

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
32. Just what kind of assumptions should I make about people
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:13 PM
Jan 2014

who pay the working poor so little they must seek public assistance to survive;

who criticize those on public assistance for not working hard enough;

who vote to cut social programs like meals on wheels for seniors or reduced and free school lunches for kids;

who gain their wealth by robbing others;

who feel vilified by everyone less fortunate;

who insist their money entitles them to royal treatment;

whose drunk, high affluenza-infected offspring have no respect for other people and expect leniency
when they cause harm to others due to their own poor choices;

who think they can buy anything and anyone;

who want respect and are angry to find it can only be earned, not bought;

who believe their wealth makes them smarter or gives them more rights;

who clearly need the therapy!

"What would life be like if they didn't have any restraints and could really create what they wanted?"

Is that supposed to be a serious question? Clearly, the answer is that life would be exactly as it is today.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
34. It sucks when everybody wants a piece of you.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:18 PM
Jan 2014

A few Saturdays back I was at the barbershop. A fellow customer and I get to talking and it turns out he is the fire chief or comminishioner or whatever they call it in Chicago. He said the worst part of his job is everyone wants something. He turns down 20 charity requests a day. He would never eat at home if not.

TroglodyteScholar

(5,477 posts)
35. They get sad when we fight back?
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:27 PM
Jan 2014

Maybe they should quit trying to enslave the rest of us. That would go a long way toward ending any prejudice on my part.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
43. Does the therapist tell them it's going to be ok..relax, your tax loop holes are here to stay?
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:17 PM
Jan 2014

Don't we already know what they would like to create?....more money.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
45. They're all worried that someone will make them poor.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:27 PM
Jan 2014

So they bought Washington, DC and no one ever bothered them ever again.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
51. Well, I'm judging them even more now.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:13 PM
Jan 2014

Fucking whiners.
Pay your fucking taxes if you don't want to be looked at like a criminal swindler. Yes, your hoarding of money is causing the rest of us misery. Yep, we hate you. Yes, you built this.

Skittles

(153,150 posts)
52. remember that commercial, "Don't hate me because I'm beautiful" ?
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:36 PM
Jan 2014

well I didn't hate her because she was beautiful; I hated her because she was a stuck up be-yatch. And I don't hate the rich because they are rich; I hate them because they're getting rich at the cost of the poor and middle class, thereby trashing the America I love.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
54. The hardest part would be coping with the damage your wealth causes.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 02:47 AM
Jan 2014

If you were of a liberal mindset of course. For sociopaths, not so much.
If someone is investing their money in the markets. Well, the fruits of resource depletion and climate change are your lifeblood. That money is hard at work 24/7 helping ALEC and crafting legislation like the TPP.
Or perhaps entertainers. Sure, your song is great. But is it touring the world in person great? Releasing carbon into the upper atmosphere to travel to Timbuktu to promote it with 1000's of fans driving and using resources to listen?
Or sporting events. Playing kids games is a lot of fun. But at the time we are in, when every bit of wasted energy is coming back to haunt us and our offspring in the most unfortunate ways, is it really worth it anymore? When I think of the carbon footprint of one NFL game with the countless networks and fans and the teams themselves and the energy required to run it all and then multiply that by 32 it really kinda depresses me.
We have to figure out a way to continue to enjoy the things we enjoy without fucking it up for every life form on the face of the earth. We have to convince people that life is great even without limited edition sneakers. That a tree really is just as cool as a Ford and an unspoiled forest is more magnificent than the finest stadium.
If I were in a position of creating wealth from creating waste, my dreams of my impact on tomorrows life would be nightmares.
But for a sociopath, no worries.

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
55. According to Warren Buffett, there was class warfare and his class won
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 02:16 PM
Jan 2014

The 1% can not complain about class warfare since they have been the winners in this battle

ck4829

(35,045 posts)
56. Your money's not shackled to you! You are free to give it up.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 02:23 PM
Jan 2014

That's what they on the right say "We don't need to tax the rich, they can give money if they want." Having a stadium in your name is not a charity though.

They don't actually invest in the poor because they CAN'T, it's a compulsion to hold their money, to think that if they even lose a small amount, then their world will come crumbling down and taxes amount to hate and genocide from... SOMEONE, as Tom Perkins himself recently said.

There is an emotional contagion going on, and I think it's making a lot of the 1% very, very sick.

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