ABC's 20/20 Will Take Up Issue of Children and Guns

[erpowers]

ABC's 20/20 will air a show tonight examining children and guns. The show is titled Young Guns and will start at 10:00 p.m. et. It seems that one of the issues that will be discussed during the show is whether teaching children to shoot guns prevents gun accidents. You can use the link below to get more information.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/t/index

[Electric Monk]

1. Guns for kids: Another great idea from the American Firearms Industry

[countryjake]

29. +1

There was a father on the show (who once had eight boys) who had trained all of them how to use and properly respect their firearms...he lost his ten year old son when the kids were playing around in the garage, while he was working outside, nearby. The man looked stricken, just telling the story, as were the surviving brothers.

[Dawson Leery]

2. 13 year olds should not learn about sex,

but kindergarteners should learn about guns.

This is what we are fighting against.

On the other hand, most kids would handle a gun just as poorly as many SWAT team members.

[kcr]

4. Hopefully some of those stories will open some eyes anyway

Those parents though their children were safe because they'd taught them gun safety and they were so tragically wrong.

[cherokeeprogressive]

3. Guns 101 (Mandatory): Teach kids ABOUT guns. Teach them that guns KILL when not handled properly.

NO need to teach them how to shoot. That's a decision they can make later.

SHOW kids what guns do to human bodies. Make them look at PICTURES of human wounds. Make them UNDERSTAND that lives END or are CHANGED FOREVER when guns are mishandled.

Then TELL kids they should NEVER TOUCH guns they find unattended, lest they KILL someone with one accidentally.

After you have sufficiently scared them, tell them The Constitution of the United States of America has, as it's Second Amendment, a promise that the federal government will never infringe upon their right to own one, should they decide they wish to.

Guns 101a (Elective): Teach students how to handle guns. Teach students how to shoot, why, and when.

[kcr]

5. Maybe it's the parents who should be shown those pictures.

Because I fail to see the difference between kids taught gun safety who then go on to shoot the guns and the ones who don't. There is no difference. They're all kids who have access to guns and it was the guns that killed them. And the reason is because they were kids who had access to guns.

[Electric Monk]

6. I was with you until your 4th paragraph, where you misunderstood the 2nd Amendment.

[seattledo]

7. Wait, what?

> never infringe upon their right to own one, should they decide they wish to.

That's an awfully strange interpretation of something that requires them to be a member of the militia (National Guard). If you want to be completely truthful, we should tell them that.

[cherokeeprogressive]

9. What is an awfully strange notion is that the Framers would "REQUIRE" anything of citizens...

before the federal government could be forbidden from exercising its power over them.

Maybe you should read the Bill of Rights again.

[Electric Monk]

10. *cough* WELL REGULATED MILITIA *cough*

nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

11. So your argument is that the Bill of Rights... though it confers no rights whatsoever

contains ONE amendment that the Framers meant to say "You can exercise this right, if FIRST you meet this requirement..."

Yeah? Is that what you're saying?

[cherokeeprogressive]

12. Cough

[Electric Monk]

16. Doesn't really matter what I say, it matters what the 2nd Amendment says, the part you ignore. nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

21. What does the Second Amendment say?

[Electric Monk]

24. LMGTFY

http://bit.ly/1kpuuVf

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

What it does NOT say is: "a promise that the federal government will never infringe upon their right to own one" (your words).

[cherokeeprogressive]

25. Do you understand the Bill of Rights and that it doesn't CONFER rights, rather restricts the

Government's power over citizens?

[Electric Monk]

26. Do you understand that the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 8th have already been trampled on?

[cherokeeprogressive]

28. Make me puke. Your point? We've let someone trample on our rights... so why stop now?

What's good for the goose is good for the gander?

Seriousfuckingly?

[Electric Monk]

30. My point is the 2nd is not inviolate. Already, there are hoops to jump through if you want a

fully automatic weapon. That's a restriction. So limits on magazine size, types of bullets (various features, etc) can be legal too. That's why your earlier claim that "a promise that the federal government will never infringe upon their right to own" is simply wrong. It's just a matter of where the line is drawn, not whether there is a line.

[cherokeeprogressive]

31. I don't have a problem with that. Don't need a full-auto, nor does ANY civilian.

There's a line, to be sure. Small arms are small arms. Some people like to make the argument "so, if I have to allow you a gun, why shouldn't I have to allow you a shoulder fired missile?"

We both know there's a limit to what normal, law abiding civilians should be allowed to possess.

[Electric Monk]

32. So, getting back to what started this sub-thread, you admit your 4th paragraph in post 3 was wrong

after all, and not a good thing to teach children?

[cherokeeprogressive]

33. My fourth paragraph in post 3... no I'll stand by it...

Maybe you can step outside of your comfort zone and ASK me what is wrong with it?

[countryjake]

34. ...

[cherokeeprogressive]

13. Hello?

[Electric Monk]

15. Careful or you'll get an auto-ban for spamming. nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

17. Why? Because you're in charge and you don't like my question?

[cherokeeprogressive]

18. I noticed you didn't answer.

[Electric Monk]

19. Then try reading more and posting less. nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

22. LOL nice non-answer.

Tell me how the BILL OF RIGHTS says I can exercise a right IF I FIRST MEET A REQUIREMENT.

[cherokeeprogressive]

23. ?

[cherokeeprogressive]

14. Constitution got your tongue?

[bobclark86]

8. #1

Don't leave loaded guns lying around for the neighborhood kids to play with.

How difficult is this?

[dionysus]

35. yeah i don't know why that is a hard concept to grasp for anyone...

somehow it is, which is mind boggling...

[TheMathieu]

20. ABC's 20/20 will take up the issue of unfit parents*

Fixed it for you.

[countryjake]

27. The cop & his wife who lost their three yr old was heartbreaking.

And the two five year old boys in the very beginning of their "NRA Gun Safety" experiment were the perfect example of fail. They danced around singing the NRA jingle as they touched and poked and fingered that gun.

The program isn't over yet here, I hope this thread survives long enough to get back to a discussion of what 20/20 has illustrated.