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City Percent of Norm to Date
Auburn 16
Boonville 1
Fresno 22
Eureka 27
Monterey 12
Paso Robles 7
Redding 20
Sacramento 17
Santa Cruz 8
San Francisco 12
Sonoma 12
Truckee 10
Ukiah 11
Here in Redding, near Lake Shasta and the headwaters of the Sacramento and Feather Rivers, we haven't even had 4 inches since July 1, when we should have had close to 20. Most of what precipitation we have received was in a freak snowstorm in early December. It was in the high 70s and sunny through most of January. The rosebushes are starting to flower.
We got a third of an inch in the "storm" last week... and we've had more rain than any of the other cities listed besides Eureka, which is in a temperate rainforest. (I've been here before when we had 6 inches of rain in a DAY. We usually get about 4 inches less than Portland.)
I was up in Dunsmuir weekend before last and the Sacramento River upstream from Lake Shasta looks like a creek. There was about as much snow on Shasta as we usually see in August.
The State Water Project is forecasting 0% deliveries.
Yes, there's a voluntary 20% cutback for residential use... but if we're cutting back 20% and the weather's cutting back 90%, that's not going to work.
So tell me: Is it time to totally freak out yet?
If it's not today, y'all let me know when, okay?
Liberty Belle
(9,534 posts)that includes San Diego but short-sightedly no mandatory water saving has been ordered of consumers. Meanwhile they are approving big developments and energy projects that use groundwater in areas where homes are reliant on wells, as if we weren't in the midst of the worst drought our state has ever seen.
bluedigger
(17,086 posts)The San Juan Range in sw Colorado went from 130% snow pack in early December to 80% last week with little change in sight. We had rain and the first 2" of snow since Thanksgiving here in Cortez yesterday. My front yard was pretty much bare and dry again by the end of today...
Lasher
(27,575 posts)Someplace where there's plenty of potable water?
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Easy peasy.
tenderfoot
(8,426 posts)Lasher
(27,575 posts)That's the last thing I'd want you to do.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)The Great Republic.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Hundreds of thousands of acres of farmland will go fallow. Prepare for grocery and meat prices to go WAY up. I always plant a garden to offset produce costs and this year will be no different except that I'm setting everything up on drip irrigation. We don't have lawn in the back (paving stones) and I'm planning to do the same for the front yard.
Warpy
(111,251 posts)because the rest of the country will be bidding it up. Farmers in Mexico will be doing very well this year. People in Mexico will have to scramble for seconds.
People in California who will have the roughest time of it will likely be the wineries. Many of the vines will die and they'll have to start over next year if there's enough precipitation.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)The East-coast is going bigger and bigger into year round greenhouses and hydro-phonic production. Things started slow, but is picking up steam monthly. I recently bought fresh Genovese Basil that was grown in Pennsylvania. I routinely buy Tomatoes that are grown in Canada, because those are mostly what my grocer sells year around. Greenhouse and Hydro-phonic farming have the advantage of water use control that traditional farming doesn't have.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)to supply the nation and the world. Non-traditional farming is all well and good but it takes an EN0RMOUS up-front investment and it's going to take many years to replace California's fruit/veggie output -- both in volume and variety.
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Strongly recommend heading for Smart & Final or similar and grabbing half a dozen 5-gal water bottles to keep on hand for emergency.
Start rationing tapwater use now. Take a sponge bath instead of a full shower every other day, or at least on days when you don't have to go anywhere important.
Prepare to save/store any rainwater that may arrive and collect it from gutter drainpipes. Get a big trash barrel (or 2 or 4) and save gray water for garden use if you hope to grow anything at all. Grow in containers as much as possible because they require less water.
If you can obtain or make a water purification distiller, do so. It just might come in handy.
And start screaming at legislators about building desalination plants NOW -- because this is not going to get better over the long term. Instead of oil pipelines and refineries, we should be building water desalination plants in coastal areas, with pipelines distributing water inland from there.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)Water rights for Colorado River water were allocated back in 1922. The allotment was calculated based on seven years' worth of average flows at Lee's Ferry. What no-one knew then, and didn't find out until considerably later, was that the 20th century was unusually wet, by Southwest standards. Average river volumes are calculated at 15% less, historically, than the 20th century average. The late 20th century "normal" that people expect, that forms the basis of water managers' projections and urban growth estimates and agricultural yield estimates? That's an anomaly; the Southwest has in the past experienced "megadroughts" lasting for decades or in some cases centuries. The evidence from dendrochronology says that this happened maybe every few hundred years. Some climatologists are starting to think this is what's happening now, and that it may be a more permanent shift due to the effects of climate change. See here for instance: http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/res/div/ocp/drought/science.shtml
Tom Rinaldo
(22,912 posts)After so many years of constant migration to the West and South West, it's back in the East where the water will be.
PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)Because snow
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)But storing water bottles could help in an emergency. It's never a bad idea. That's not freaking out, it's using your head.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)then maybe we could all help reduce the carbon pollution that is melting the polar ice, which is causing a high pressure ridge in the Pacific which is deflecting precipitation to Canada and the east coast.
THIS EXCELLENT ARTICLE was just posted and is the most accessible explanation I've seen yet for just what is occurring--in the west, where the natural El Nino (Pacific Oscillation) events are being heavily impacted by climate change--as predicted for the last 20 years.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/01/31/3223791/climate-change-california-drought/
---excerpt:
NOAA and Prof. Jennifer Francis of Rutgers have more recently shown that the loss of Arctic ice is boosting the chances of extreme US weather. Francis told me this week that the highly amplified pattern that the jet stream has been in since early December is certainly playing a role in the CA drought.
The extremely strong ridge over Alaska has been very persistent and has caused record warmth and unprecedented winter rains in parts of AK while preventing Pacific storms from delivering rain to CA, she explained. But is this pattern a result of human-caused climate change, or more specifically, to rapid Arctic warming and the dramatic losses of sea ice? Its very difficult to pin any specific weather event on climate change, but this extremely distorted and persistent jet stream pattern is an excellent example of what we expect to occur more frequently as Arctic ice continues to melt.
If this drought continues in California and the west it will impact the entire country. Everyone should be paying attention to this.
You are not alone in your worry, XemaSab. This is a national issue.
jsr
(7,712 posts)Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)I think it is unfortunate that the state's precipitation has been low this year, but I also think that it won't do much good to worry about something that humans have no control over. We may have a drought, but at least we haven't seen the type of extreme weather that the East and the Midwest have experienced this winter.
safeinOhio
(32,674 posts)Have had record snow amounts this year. The Great Lakes, that have been low for years, are now back to normal. I'd love to live on the West Coast, but I can't afford the sunshine tax.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)Can you support this legislation:
California: CA AB 1750 (Pending: To Senate Committees on Natural Resources and Water and Rules.)
Would enact the Rainwater Capture Act of 2012. Would authorize residential, commercial and governmental landowners to install, maintain, and operate rain barrel systems and rainwater capture systems for specified purposes, provided that the systems comply with specified requirements. Would authorize a landscape contractor working within the classification of his or her license to enter into a prime contract for the construction of a rainwater capture system if the system is used exclusively for landscape irrigation.
http://www.ncsl.org/research/environment-and-natural-resources/rainwater-harvesting.aspx
A good website for water catchment ideas and resources:
http://www.harvestingrainwater.com/rainwater-harvesting-inforesources/suppliers/water-tankscisterns/
AUSTRALIA has used cisterns for a long time. They lead the way:
http://www.bluescopewater.com/
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California needs to be advocating for this.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)Contain CGSR Rainwater Storage Tanks CGSR Rainwater Storage Tanks are designed to be constructed onsite in minimal time with very minimal site preparation required. Most CGSR models can be installed on a 6'' minimum thickness sand or gravel foundation pad. CGSR Rainwater Storage Tanks have cosmetic appeal and enhance and blend in with the landscape. Custom Cedar Wrapped Water Tanks are available to give an added "old school" wood water tank of days past.
cally
(21,593 posts)none at all. I've never seen the hills so dry. I fear the upcoming fires.
Yes, I'm officially freaked!!
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)the drought will break at some point. Not saying that it will return to previous days of plenty. But there will be some rain. The time has come to change the thinking about rainwater catchment.
People who've never experienced drought have a hard time understanding the seriousness of what is going on out west. Those living in the southeast SHOULD be sensitized after the droughts of the late 2000's when Atlanta was threatened, as well as Charlotte and other major cities of the Appalachian piedmont.
We know what it feels like. It is very scary to see reservoirs empty and vegetation burnt and tinder dry. Scary to hear of large population areas having to depend on bottled water. Scary to see ancient trees dying. Drought is awful and affects the economy and quality of life in a region in countless ways.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)A name I never see enough of around here these days. How are you doing?? And yes, I am freaked, too. This is going to hit so many people on so many levels -- the salmon/Delta/fisherman, the central valley farmers, consumers. I am disappointed Brown didn't call for mandatory rationing. Fires -- it's going to be brutal -- look what's happened to Australia and their severe drought.
cally
(21,593 posts)I saw some deer yesterday and all I thought was whether they were going to survive this summer. I'm very upset at the lack of state response. We should have mandatory rationing and much more education.
I met with a close friend yesterday and she was telling me all she does for water conservation with free barrels and hoses. I was encouraging her to host an educational forum but the state should be doing this and offering incentives to divert shower water, laundry water, and fix leaks. Not happy with Brown!
B Calm
(28,762 posts)think it was early 1998.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)Food prices gonna be skyrocketing this summer. I hope things change but really the best hope for California is a strong El Nino. Unfortunately it looks like this year's one is weak.
http://ggweather.com/enso/calenso.htm
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)There were always years of drought and years of floods.
It certainly appears to be becoming more extreme. Move? I think much of the human population is going to have to move further from the coasts, at the least, in the long term.
Right now? Where will you go that ISN'T experiencing changes that will affect human infrastructure, economic and other?
Gothmog
(145,142 posts)I can understand the pain being felt in California
roody
(10,849 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Warpy
(111,251 posts)because fire season is going to be a doozy. Besides, you won't be able to water it, anyway, so it's all likely to die back. If you make your living growing things, it's time to freak out right now, it's useless to plant anything you won't be able to irrigate.
Well, you can't water anything in your yard unless you're willing to trap and use grey water from sinks, dishwasher, and washing machine. What you flush is black water and can't be used.
If I lived there, I'd be starting to freak out and assembling all my buckets for grey water.
NM is dry, too. We might have some sprinkles on Friday, but it's a huge "might" because the air is so dry it will evaporate before it hits the ground.
Brother Buzz
(36,417 posts)Anyone with half a brain removes vegetation before the fire season begins, but, well, this year there simply isn't anything to remove.
I fear my friend, who grew a spectacular business in weed control is going to be sitting idle this year, wondering how to feed 3,000 hungry goats.
roody
(10,849 posts)new bathroom built with the greywater from shower and sink going underground to 8 places(branched drain.). Did the same with washing machine to 4 spots. I now have 4 apple trees, 2 plum, 1 cherry, 1 pear, 4 grape vines, and 1 kiwi getting water regularly. The water system was super cheap compared to the new construction (all city permitted.)
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)"Without lake Mead there is no Las Vegas"...
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Lake Erie is already froze over and Lake Huron and Superior are not far behind. It's a winter from hell.
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Iggo
(47,551 posts)So don't do that.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Good advice.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)looking at places to move.
If you don't like water, you can whine and complain and stay put and hope for the best.