Here’s why it will be Jeb Bush vs Hillary in 2016

[Cyrano]

With Chris Christie’s implosion, Jeb Bush is the last (somewhat) sane man standing in the GOP. I say “somewhat” because it’s impossible to be a Republican and be totally sane.

The GOP Party “elders” will never allow a member of the clown car to get the nomination and they will do anything, literally anything, to make sure that doesn’t happen. Which leaves them with Jeb.

Another Bush in the White House? Who knows. I have a very low opinion of the intelligence of the American public overall, so Jeb might get the nomination and could possibly even win.

Living in Florida, I know what a miserable dick he was as governor, and everyone knows how he helped his brother steal the presidency in 2000. But the Republican slime machine will try to distract from that by focusing all their bile, hatred and lies on Hillary.

So what’s your opinion? Will it be Jeb vs Hillary? And if so, will Hillary beat him?

[n2doc]

1. I don't think it will be jeb

I think it will be Scott Walker. They are already ginning him up.

On the Dem side I haven't seen anyone who has professed a willingness to run who could beat HRC. Warren might have, but she has repeatedly said no. This may be a situation like 96 when no one on the repub side really could push Dole out of the "next pol up to bat" line. But it is a ways away.

[LiberalEsto]

2. I agree with you. It's Jeb's "turn"

to fuck up the U.S.

[oldandhappy]

3. If someone is going to run they have to have a book out this summer.

Will be interesting to see who starts with the preliminary moves. Some of the same ol' wanna-be folk on the t-pub side. Running for president has to be one of the most degrading experiences anyone can suffer. And so many want to do it!!

[Cyrano]

6. It really is a degrading experience

I've always been of the opinion that anyone who wants to be president should be immediately disqualified due to some as yet unidentified mental disorder.

[libodem]

54. Exactly

In the same way they don't recruit psycho murderers into the armed services. You can be TOO eager.

[earthside]

4. What a pathetic country this would be ...

... to have members of two 'presidential dynasties 'competing' with each other in our democratic republic.

The first Bush sought the presidency and ended-up with the vice-presidency starting in 1980, if your scenario takes places that would mean Bushes and Clintons occupying or vying for the White House over 36 years.

In a nation of over 300 million people, would that really be the best we can do? All the talent that we have?

It makes me ill just to think about it.

Where in the world has dynastic government ever turned out to be good for the peasants ... I mean regular working people?

This is one of the main reasons I am against Hillary Clinton seeking the nomination for 2016 -- and, well, I just despise the Bushes.

[exboyfil]

24. Lets just back a Kennedy instead

I agree with you totally that imperial families are a problem. It is a shame that Republicans don't consider saner voices like Huntsman. This die was cast when Obama made his VP and SoState picks - I think that was HRC's price for her and Bill's support in the general election. The SoState was the last resume builder HRC needed. I wonder if any Democratic challenger will bring up her failure to offer additional security in Libya (the other stuff is crap but that could be a legitimate issue of executive decision making).

[earthside]

31. As a big Kennedy family fan ...

... I am not even in favor of return of Kennedys to elected office.

I live in Colorado and frankly, even the Udall dynasty is problematic.
New Mexico has got the good Udall, our Senator, Mark Udall, is worthless as a progressive; he is so accommodating with the Repuglicans that he could almost be one.

I guess I am a genuine small 'd' democrat; I believe in the people; we don't need leaders trained by family tradition or brought-up with family money and connections to be our representatives or elected executives.

[oldandhappy]

47. Thanks

Huntsman has sort of slipped under the radar. Thank you for reminding me.

[Gothmog]

5. If Scott Walker is re elected , he could challenge Jeb

Jeb is one of the few viable "moderates" left. We need to make sure that Walker is defeated in 2014. I can also see Mitt getting back into the race. This will be fun to watch

[mikeysnot]

8. Mitt is trying to come back

His wife was leading the charge along with the whitewash movie that came out recently...

[patricia92243]

42. That is the way is was before - SHE wants him for President. I got the idea that left on

his own, he would not have run. If all this is true, why doesn't she run? If she got it, she would be the first woman president.

[yeoman6987]

20. We need to make sure that Walker is defeated in 2014.

Yeah like the great job with the recall. The Voters had him on a silver platter and screwed up royally. I don't believe for a second that he will lose the seat because if you don't lose in a recall election when everyone is ready to kick him out, how do you suppose they will in an off year election? Yep. I am still bitter!

[exboyfil]

26. I think a lot of people

don't like recall elections and view them as a "cheat" to the election process.

[yeoman6987]

33. I hope you are right

Quite frankly that would be a good thing and that people will get rid of him in 2014.

[Gothmog]

57. I have seen similar polling

There was some polling that people did not like to see the recall process abused. Since then, Wisconsin's economy has lagged behind the rest of the country and hopefully that will be sufficient to defeat Walker's reelection chances

[DonViejo]

22. I'm not convinced Jebthro Bush's alleged moderation even exists...

when he first ran for Governor of FL he did so as a Xtian fundamentalist, holding all the wack job positions usually attributed to fundie pols. In his next run, he toned down the fundamentalist pitch and was elected. Now, however, he's converted to Roman Catholicism, what are the chances he'd bring right wing Catholicism to the campaign and/or the White House if he won? I don't know if he's Roman Catholicism would be as wacky as Sam Brownback's but, I don't want to find out.

My recent readings of articles about a potential Jebthro run for the WH indicate his mother doesn't want him to run but, more importantly perhaps, his wife doesn't want him to run either.

[Gothmog]

55. Jeb's biggest negative is his last name

I doubt that he can overcome the residual effects of W's failed presidency

[Mass]

7. 2014 is what matters. Then we will be able to focus on 2016.

[Blue_Adept]

12. We can do both.

Truly.

[Mass]

16. No, we cannot. We need to take back state assemblies, increase numbers in Congress and keep the

Senate (well, in MA we need to not lose any seat, including Tierney's).

2016 can wait. Hillary Clinton can wait.

[Andy823]

17. +100,000,000,000

I just can't understand how many people don't seem to understand that no matter who we nominate in 2016, if they have the same do nothing congress we have now, or God forbid one controlled by republicans in both the Senate and the House, we will have the same problem getting things done. Also as you stated we need to make sure that in local and state elections we also get rid of the republicans. This should be a no brainer, get out the vote in 2014 if we want to get anything done in the next couple of years, and when we put another democrat in the WH come 2016!

[HappyMe]

19. Yup.

2016 can wait.

The presidential election won't mean much if we can't get it together for every election this year.

[Chan790]

50. Some of us live in CT.

We truly can do both. Our GOP is non-existent.

We control every statewide office, every Congressional seat, both chambers of the state legislature, 75% of the mayoralships and selectmanships, 80% of the school boards. The only contestable race between now and 2016 for us is the gubernatorial race...and Malloy is useless and RW to a point that it doesn't really matter if he wins since a GOP governor wouldn't be able to do anything anyways and we'd be rid of Dan Malloy.

[1StrongBlackMan]

40. Yes, but not both well ...

we can plan for 2016 ... planning is far less labor/resource intensive, as it requires little in moving the mass of the electorate in any particular direction; but should be campaigning (i.e., moving the mass of the electorate) for 2014.

Win in 2014 and 2016 will take care of itself.

[CJCRANE]

9. Ironically, Christie's scandals make him more appealing to the Repub base.

Remember how Sarah Palin was polarizing, mean-spirited and under investigation?

That's the perfect tea party combo of being a bully and a victim at the same time.

[ananda]

10. That's a good take imo.

The vacuum left by Christie will be filled by another Bush.

I sure hope the Dem, probably Clinton, will wipe the floor with him.

[Kelvin Mace]

11. Christie was sane?

Jeb Bush has ZERO chance of being the nominee since the Bush name is mud among the Teabagger crowd.

If by some fluke he gets the nomination, every Bush scandal will get dragged out, especially his tenure in Florida and he will lose BADLY!

[patricia92243]

43. Bush not liked by Teabaggers? Why? I thought they would love his religion, etc. n/t

[Kelvin Mace]

46. Nah, despite attempts to blame Obama for it all

he left too much evidence around that he wrecked the economy. Plus, he and Jeb are pro-immigration reform. Also, Bush did his bit to feed "big government", so they are not happy with him.

[Le Taz Hot]

13. Unless Elizabeth Warren throws her hat in the ring.

I'm still not convinced she won't jump in. It's two years from now so she's plenty of time to decide. If Warren gets in, and if she wins the nomination, as I think she could, she could also win the General.

To answer your question, Jeb vs. Hillary, it's a toss up. If it would have been Christy v. Clinton, Christy would have taken it. But Jeb has the albatross "Bush" name weighing him down and Hillary is highly unpopular throughout most of the country. I think Bush v. Clinton (again) is going to piss off a LOT of people and I think it will be a good year for third parties.

[Fumesucker]

14. If you have to play Russian Roulette it's better not to use a semi auto n/t

[HappyMe]

15. There will be a lot of write ins

if that is the case.

[yellowcanine]

18. Three problems for Jeb - George W. Bush, the Tea Party and Katherine Harris.

The first two will likely keep him form getting the nomination - and if he does manage that the last two will keep him from beating Hillary Clinton. Jeb Bush is the epitome of the Republican Establishment and he has been very critical of the Tea Party. A Republican cannot beat Hillary Clinton with the Tea Party sniping at him from the sidelines. And Katherine Harris is the ghost of the 2000 Florida election fiasco - any serious Jeb Bush will generate much data mining of that sorry spectacle and Jeb's role in it.

[whatchamacallit]

21. If that match up doesn't convince you we're being taken for a ride with this "democracy thing"

nothing will.

[awake]

23. If it is Bush vs Clinton then look for Bloomberg to run as a independent

I do not think America wants to see a rematch of a 1992 race. Clinton against some one else then it will feel new but a Bush vs Clinton will be played as a rematch and the press will not drop that narrative, opening the door for a 3rd party run of the likes of some one like Bloomberg.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

25. Just Say No to Dynasty. It wasn't even that good a TV show in the Eighties.

[Vashta Nerada]

27. If it's Hillary vs Jeb, I'm voting third party.

[elleng]

28. Been waiting for Jeb,

whom I regard as repugs' only real challenge.

[egold2604]

29. Ted Cruz

The Tea Party Dominionists will insist that Ted Cruz, who is anointed by God to be leader of the world, will be nominated by the Republican Party to run against godless Hillary. He will get 30% of the popular vote., but will the election through voter fraud and manipulation of the voting machines.

Fraud for Jesus is not a crime/sin.

[Cyrano]

30. You or I have a better chance of

being nominated than does Ted Cruz.

The GOP party "elders" will never permit it. And at some point or another, Cruz will make the mistake of taking a flight on a small plane.

[Rex]

32. I hear they are thinking about dusting off R-MONEY again for another failed run.

nt.

[Cyrano]

34. That 47% clip will be run endlessly

The Republicans can't win with Romney. They can however steal it once again.

[yeoman6987]

35. I doubt Romney will run again

Have we ever in any party ever renominated someone who was in the Presidential Race? I can't think of one. Oh sure, we have had people run for President and then run again, but to actually be nominated, lose and run again? I seriously can't think of anyone.

[Cyrano]

37. Nixon. He lost to Kennedy and

then won against Humphrey in 1968.

[yeoman6987]

38. Thanks

I forgot that completely.

[Cyrano]

44. I wish we could all forget him

IMO, today's Republican Party is a result of The Big Dick and his "Southern Strategy." Reagan just picked it up from there and that was the beginning of the end for GOP sanity.

[bigwillq]

36. What a sad situation for our country (nt)

[JaneyVee]

39. Just keep running the add of Barbra Bush saying NO MORE BUSH'S.

[AlinPA]

41. I think 'The GOP Party “elders” ' are the teabaggers and far right wing now. The shutdown

of the government showed us who was in charge of the new GOP when Boehner and McConnell had no influence. Also, the teabaggers are raising more money now. Jeb Bush may have a chance with the GOP base if he starts acting "crazy" by echoing some of the Huckabee/ Paul/ Perry/ Santorum/ Cruz statements. I agree with you on the intelligence of the American public and it could be easy to elect one of those clowns.

[marions ghost]

45. No more Bushes, AND No more Clintons

--same old, same old

[Cyrano]

49. The reality is that we have very little

say in it. The ruling class will do what they want to do and they don't give a rat's ass what we think.

[marions ghost]

53. True

I'm reduced to wishing/praying...for a real breakthrough in how this country is run.

But I just have to think that the old ways are more exposed and something will give.

[Capt. Obvious]

48. Jeb won't run

[lostincalifornia]

51. Most likely, however, that will create a large problem for tea baggers. They will never accept a

sane immigration policy, and if jeb is their nominee, it will be a divided party

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

52. This would really be an example of "Choose your poison".

[randome]

56. Are you familiar with the concept of 'triage'?

Let's deal with the immediate problems first.
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[lunasun]

58. yes his family is picture perfect for new voting demographics

hope that doesn't work out for them.....and folks see they are being used

[polynomial]

59. Jeb Bush for president? Yuke!

What is it about the mainstream media in that through the decades past, incapable of expressing the truth about the Bush family business connection with the Bin Laden’s. Down the family line to include grandpa Prescott Bush, his connections in business with the Nazi’s, as a political opportunist in profiteering financing the Nazi party. Obviously the Bush is America’s Nazi party.

It seems America has that not to be spoken of back ground about the Bush’s. Why is that? There is such a treasure of incredible contradictions, penetrating, political corruption, profiteering, and swindling. Spanning decades with lies crescendo by the latest voting swindle in Florida. The mainstream media should be able to sell endless amounts of time in commercials to tell the story. Perhaps be able to pay off the seventeen and a quarter trillion dollar deficit.

According to Gerald Posners book Secrets of the Kingdom the Bin Laden’s have invested hundreds of billions into real-estate in Florida. Now Russ Baker with family secrets exposes the Bush ties to higher finance and huge industries connections like the Union Pacific rail road that is run like a cattle ranch. Every time I read articles that Buffet would fire most of Union Pacific management make me laugh and chuckle because from first experience Buffet is right.