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cali

(114,904 posts)
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 01:08 PM Feb 2014

Masking corporatism with social progressivism

It's cynical, effective and cheap, and a lot of politicians have figured that out- mostly democrats. People like Chuck Schumer and Debbie Stabenow.

Most corporations figured it out a long time ago, but a company that supports marriage equality while merrily busting unions, won't get any credit from me.

the cynical use of progressive social issues to maintain the oppressive economic status quo, or push more corporate benefits is, quite simply, despicable.

And progressives and liberals are stupid to fall for that shit.

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Masking corporatism with social progressivism (Original Post) cali Feb 2014 OP
Kick.... daleanime Feb 2014 #1
Well, ProSense Feb 2014 #2
Yes, it is sad people can not get how easily they are being manipulated CBGLuthier Feb 2014 #3
wait - coke is poison? I'm drinking some right now. How long do i have do you think? nt el_bryanto Feb 2014 #4
as a matter of fact, it's hardly a secret that coke is a poison and it's recognized cali Feb 2014 #6
I guess my question would be what sets Coke apart from most other soft drink companies el_bryanto Feb 2014 #13
Not one thing, except a higher profile and more clout. truebluegreen Feb 2014 #25
Coke has union organizers murdered. L0oniX Feb 2014 #27
Ok - please provide some context for that statement. nt el_bryanto Feb 2014 #29
You can google it for yourself like I did or you can try to get me to do it for you. L0oniX Feb 2014 #36
Really? That's your response? el_bryanto Feb 2014 #37
Seriously? PoliticalPothead Feb 2014 #51
When you make an accusation of that caliber you are responsible to back it up nt el_bryanto Feb 2014 #52
This is from a few years ago deutsey Feb 2014 #39
Thanks for the information. nt el_bryanto Feb 2014 #45
"Poison" is overstating it a bit Orrex Feb 2014 #14
no overstatement... handmade34 Feb 2014 #20
Then everything is poison, especially water and oxygen. Orrex Feb 2014 #35
We also don't need to bring up the coke sponsored murder of union organizers. L0oniX Feb 2014 #24
Sorry, but that mean's you're dead already. Me too, while we're at it. Orrex Feb 2014 #12
No, but ProSense Feb 2014 #7
Marraige Equality goes from being an important Progressive cause JoePhilly Feb 2014 #5
oh for fuck's sake. what a lame comment. look, I'm glad that President Obama cali Feb 2014 #9
Your OP is not the first time some one on DU has argued that recent JoePhilly Feb 2014 #11
first of all, I didn't even mention marriage equality cali Feb 2014 #16
Your OP absolutely mentions Marriage Equality ... from your OP ... JoePhilly Feb 2014 #18
^^Very well stated ^^ Progressive dog Feb 2014 #23
Well said Cali! K&R B Calm Feb 2014 #8
Never learning to walk and chew gum at the same time Skidmore Feb 2014 #10
It's greenwashing in another form BrotherIvan Feb 2014 #15
Wait, the OP ProSense Feb 2014 #17
the images in that very clever coke commercial are appealing images to most progressives and the Douglas Carpenter Feb 2014 #19
They don't give a shit about those things. zeemike Feb 2014 #22
Bingo. Well said. Populist_Prole Feb 2014 #46
Corporations are supposed to be on the side of benefiting stockholders. merrily Feb 2014 #32
RE: Masking corporatism with social progressivism PowerToThePeople Feb 2014 #21
And then there are neoliberals. merrily Feb 2014 #33
Agreed. Pushing liberal social issues is pure PR. ancianita Feb 2014 #26
Exactly right. It's all about throwing the progressives a bone truebluegreen Feb 2014 #28
It's a new corporate strategy jsr Feb 2014 #30
And a not so new political strategy. merrily Feb 2014 #34
Is it better to spread homophobia AND union bust? merrily Feb 2014 #31
I'm talking about being aware of this and not excusing the economic injustices cali Feb 2014 #38
I have not seen a post here since the game that excuses economic injustice because of Coke's ad. merrily Feb 2014 #42
K&R! Phlem Feb 2014 #40
thinking hibbing Feb 2014 #41
Until progressives buy SuperBowl ads, I don't mind Coke promoting multiculturalism for us. nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2014 #43
I agree steve2470 Feb 2014 #59
That's pretty much the corner stone of the 'Third Way' philosophy isn't it? Populist_Prole Feb 2014 #44
it's the same reason they're always "liburls for war" MisterP Feb 2014 #48
agree..... madrchsod Feb 2014 #47
we can 'look' unified' while being divided by class. nt xchrom Feb 2014 #49
Exactly colsohlibgal Feb 2014 #50
"still rankles me big time" Me too. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #55
Good point, but I think we are overlooking what this recent appeal to us really means. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #53
Wow. Do you EVER post anything without calling liberals stupid? kestrel91316 Feb 2014 #54
K&R! Thank you, cali! Enthusiast Feb 2014 #56
"And progressives and liberals are stupid to fall for that shit." ProSense Feb 2014 #57
Coke should have done an ad with soldiers saluting the flag steve2470 Feb 2014 #58
executive compensation caps / indexed ratios bobduca Feb 2014 #60
K&R woo me with science Feb 2014 #61

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
2. Well,
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 01:11 PM
Feb 2014

"And progressives and liberals are stupid to fall for that shit."

...call your Senators.

Senate to hold cloture vote on food stamp-slashing farm bill
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024436534

This is happening today.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
3. Yes, it is sad people can not get how easily they are being manipulated
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 01:33 PM
Feb 2014

A union-busting poison-selling company is now the darling of progressives. Truly fucked up!

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
6. as a matter of fact, it's hardly a secret that coke is a poison and it's recognized
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 01:38 PM
Feb 2014

as a huge threat to national health (all soda of course, not just coca-cola)

but that's hardly the point of my op.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
13. I guess my question would be what sets Coke apart from most other soft drink companies
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 01:49 PM
Feb 2014

What makes it worse?

Bryant

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
39. This is from a few years ago
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 04:06 PM
Feb 2014

I don't know what the current status is.

https://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/fellows/colombia0106/

FRONTLINE/World Fellows Rob Harris and Tovin Lapan traveled to Colombia in August 2005 to investigate charges that the Coca-Cola Company was involved in the violent repression of a union at several of its bottling plants. The soft drink company strenuously denies the allegations of union-busting and murder of union leaders. But there is growing pressure on the Atlanta, Georgia-based multinational from shareholders and U.S. colleges boycotting Coke to approve a full-scale, independent investigation of the charges.

Orrex

(63,203 posts)
14. "Poison" is overstating it a bit
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 01:50 PM
Feb 2014

Though it certainly doesn't provide a great deal of nutrition.


Anyway, I'm on board with your OP.

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
20. no overstatement...
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 02:19 PM
Feb 2014

per poisonhelp.gov


"A poison is anything that can harm someone if it is 1) used in the wrong way, 2) used by the wrong person, or 3) used in the wrong amount..."


just one opinion among many...

"...the beverage itself is an absolute poison to the human metabolism. Coke is very close to the acidity level of battery acid and consequently it can clean surfaces equivalent to and often better than many toxic household cleaners...Coke uses “public relations propaganda” to convince consumers and entire nations that it is an “environmental company” when really it is linked to pollution, water shortages, and disease.

People who consume soft drinks such as Coke have a 48% increase in heart attack and stroke risk, compared to people who did not drink the sodas at all or did not drink them every day. A study published in the journal Respirology reveals that soft drink consumption is also associated with lung and breathing disorders including asthma and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD)..."



http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/09/22/what-happens-to-our-body-after-drinking-coca-cola/

Orrex

(63,203 posts)
35. Then everything is poison, especially water and oxygen.
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 03:20 PM
Feb 2014

I'm not interested in having a big is-it-or-isn't-it debate about Coke-as-poison, so I'll simpy state that I find your citation unpersuasive and leave it at that.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
24. We also don't need to bring up the coke sponsored murder of union organizers.
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 02:55 PM
Feb 2014

DU has gone off the chain. We're praising a Coke commercial? I'd laugh if it weren't so sad. If it weren't for all the repukes hating the commercial I think there might be a little more critical thinking going on about the Coke corporation. IMO commercials have been a curse since they took Playhouse 90 off the air.

Orrex

(63,203 posts)
12. Sorry, but that mean's you're dead already. Me too, while we're at it.
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 01:49 PM
Feb 2014

Oh well. I had a good run.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
7. No, but
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 01:39 PM
Feb 2014

"Yes, it is sad people can not get how easily they are being manipulated

A union-busting poison-selling company is now the darling of progressives. Truly fucked up!"

...everyone can recognize the value of the message.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024433210#post1

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024433287

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
5. Marraige Equality goes from being an important Progressive cause
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 01:38 PM
Feb 2014

to nothing more than a "Cynical tool for maintaining the economic status quo."

Ya know, I bet that President Obama stopped the Iraq war for the same cynical purpose.

Just to trick you.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
9. oh for fuck's sake. what a lame comment. look, I'm glad that President Obama
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 01:41 PM
Feb 2014

got on board with supporting marriage equality and I'm not using him as an example. but anyone who can't see that there is a cynical side to the support for progressive social issues by corporations and some politicians is either sadly obtuse and not very bright, or in total partisan denial.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
11. Your OP is not the first time some one on DU has argued that recent
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 01:47 PM
Feb 2014

progress on Marriage Equality is a "crumb" being thrown to progressives.

Don't get outraged simply because your OP comes across in the same way.

Oh wait ... I just suggested you not get outraged about something ... never mind.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
16. first of all, I didn't even mention marriage equality
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 01:52 PM
Feb 2014

secondly, you express your outrage here frequently. this isn't even controversial. it's obvious. and yes, it has some benefits, but not if we let politicians and corporations off the hook when they support economic injustice just because they support progressive social issues.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
18. Your OP absolutely mentions Marriage Equality ... from your OP ...
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 01:59 PM
Feb 2014

You said ...

"Most corporations figured it out a long time ago, but a company that supports marriage equality while merrily busting unions, won't get any credit from me. "


I get the sense that your free floating outrage causes you to not be able to recall what you wrote 30 seconds ago.

As for my outrage, I'm sure you can post 1 OP that I have written in the last year displaying my "outrage".

As the President might say ... please proceed.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
15. It's greenwashing in another form
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 01:51 PM
Feb 2014

But it points to something hopeful.

Praising Coke for being some bastion of liberal ideals, for their courage, for giving conservatives the finger--along with Cheerios--is entirely misplaced. They are corporations: they are in the business of making money and social issues have nothing to do with it, most especially for large scale multi-nationals.

But what it does show is that the tide of public opinion is turning and these commercials are touchstones similar to the reports that Republicans can no longer win national elections. It's simple math. For a commercial as important and expensive as that one was, you can bet it was focus-grouped to death. And what they found is that not only the majority, but a significant majority liked it, approved of it, and the message appealed to them. That is hugely significant and just goes to prove that the tide is turning. The fundnuts are the small, but loud, tiny sliver of a minority we always thought they were.

If a commercial beheading puppies had tested better, you bet they would have run that one. I think the only hats off should go to the creative team at the ad agency and of course, the unsung heros of filmmaking, the union workers behind the camera. But other than that, this means we will see the normalization of all these things we are applauding. Marriage equality will just become part of the culture, multiculturalism already is. I predict we will soon see ads of single mothers, single dads, whatever you can think of because advertisers know that fifties white family that teapukes are selling to is long gone.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
17. Wait, the OP
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 01:53 PM
Feb 2014
Most corporations figured it out a long time ago, but a company that supports marriage equality while merrily busting unions, won't get any credit from me.

the cynical use of progressive social issues to maintain the oppressive economic status quo, or push more corporate benefits is, quite simply, despicable.

And progressives and liberals are stupid to fall for that shit.

...is confusing.

You're saying "progressives and liberals are stupid to fall for that shit" when you voiced a similar opinion to almost everyone in response to the ad?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024433210#post1

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
19. the images in that very clever coke commercial are appealing images to most progressives and the
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 02:00 PM
Feb 2014

fact that most right-wingers in America find them repugnant make those images all the more attractive. It would be nice to believe that coke is on our side and that Starbucks is on our side. In fact I don't doubt that many corporate managers might be personally pro-choice and pro-marriage equality and pro lots of stuff as long as it does not cut into their bottom line.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
22. They don't give a shit about those things.
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 02:25 PM
Feb 2014

And that is why they will give them away as long as they get what they do care about...like TPP. CCPI, a reduction in their taxes and a gain in market share.

But they know we will think we won something...well we did... the booby prize that they care nothing for.

The OP is correct.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
32. Corporations are supposed to be on the side of benefiting stockholders.
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 03:16 PM
Feb 2014

However, as has been shown, being good citizens of a society often does benefit stockholders in the long term.

Since I learned that Starbucks is among the lowest payers in the country (and the tips in that jar on the counter aren't large), I've switched to Peets, even though Starbucks is a little cheaper and more convenient for me.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
21. RE: Masking corporatism with social progressivism
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 02:23 PM
Feb 2014
Liberal.
the term liberal is used a lot.

It is used to describe someone in support of

Women's rights
LGBT rights
Minority Rights
Fair Judicial system
Animal Rights
and many more.

I claim that as long as a person stands in support of Capitalism or any unfair economic system, they can not be a true liberal. They are a LINO. They are willing to allow personal choice and direction, but only within the confined cage of tyranny that is Capitalism. There is no true freedom in that system, only the illusion of freedom.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3427568
 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
28. Exactly right. It's all about throwing the progressives a bone
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 02:58 PM
Feb 2014

that won't impact the bottom line while the corporatists and their cronies can continue to loot.

"We're totally not quite as bad as the other guys."

merrily

(45,251 posts)
31. Is it better to spread homophobia AND union bust?
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 03:12 PM
Feb 2014

Or should we give points for diversity, while condemning union busting?

Context is important. Are we talking (1) boycotts or (2) posting, writing and talking? If we are talking boycotts, that's one thing. If we are talking words, though, surely we can give the company credit where it's due and the same company condemnation where that is due.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
38. I'm talking about being aware of this and not excusing the economic injustices
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 04:03 PM
Feb 2014

perpetrated by corporations and politicians just because they espouse some socially progressive views.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
42. I have not seen a post here since the game that excuses economic injustice because of Coke's ad.
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 04:14 PM
Feb 2014

As far as being aware, sure reminders are always worthwhile, but I think they are possible without any implication that something is wrong with appreciating the ad for what it's worth.

My prior post was in response to this statement, from your OP:

Most corporations figured it out a long time ago, but a company that supports marriage equality while merrily busting unions, won't get any credit from me.



hibbing

(10,096 posts)
41. thinking
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 04:09 PM
Feb 2014

Hey,
Thanks for posting this, it has me thinking, as well as some of the responses.

Peace

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
44. That's pretty much the corner stone of the 'Third Way' philosophy isn't it?
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 04:21 PM
Feb 2014

Even other prominent "liberals" seem to support, or allow, corporatism to set economic policy and then try to soften the blow by either advocating redistribution or a stronger safety net, and yes socially liberal positions that don't threaten the money changer's status. Never mind the fact redistribution wouldn't be as necessary if the citizens hadn't become unemployed or underemployed due to corporatist policies in the first place.

I've gradually lost friends because of this, as many unabashedly admitted to becoming "economically conservative and socially liberal". Blah blah blah; save the whales this, earth day that....but screw the unions and support free trade because it's good for their portfolios. Bastards.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
48. it's the same reason they're always "liburls for war"
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 04:54 PM
Feb 2014

they were also the "Progressives" backing expulsion and even extermination against a democracy-incompatible people accused of mutilating their women and having a sacred obligation to make all the world bend down to their law (it's 1880 and they meant the Chinese)

Gayatri Spivak called it "White men saving brown women from brown men" which made this historian guffaw

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
50. Exactly
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 06:06 PM
Feb 2014

That fools some but not a lot of us. It's nice that these types are socially liberal but with their other hand they are Wall Street over Main Street and that doesn't cut it.It is indeed despicable and reprehensible. The one I've loathed most is the retiring Max Baucus, he still makes my blood boil from his act on his committee that was considering the ACA. His cold sneer as he had pro single payer doctors and nurses led out in chains and to jail still rankles me big time.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
53. Good point, but I think we are overlooking what this recent appeal to us really means.
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 06:31 PM
Feb 2014

Coca-Cola Inc. is not dumb. They are thoroughly evil, but they are not dumb. So the fact that a thoroughly evil, global corporation is putting on this face indicates that they have seen some writing on the wall.

Now is the time to be extra careful in giving our support. The parasites have us in their sights and want to steal our message.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
56. K&R! Thank you, cali!
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 10:42 AM
Feb 2014

You are exactly on point. These social issues are the focus of the corporate-political manipulation.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
58. Coke should have done an ad with soldiers saluting the flag
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 10:43 AM
Feb 2014


They could have easily done that. I'll take the nice ad. Fuck Coke the corporation.

bobduca

(1,763 posts)
60. executive compensation caps / indexed ratios
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 10:54 AM
Feb 2014

Capping executive pay to an indexed ratio of the lowest paid individual would be a good start. The rest is greenwashing.

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