Girl admits she lied about being molested.

[CBGLuthier]

http://news.yahoo.com/girl-waterboarding-trial-says-she-lied-molestation-210101186.html

The stepdaughter of a well-known Delaware doctor accused of waterboarding her as punishment admitted on Tuesday that she had lied under oath about being molested by a family member in 2010.

[DonViejo]

1. ...

[FSogol]

2. Does the girl own any Woody Allen movies?

[TeeYiYi]

16. !

TYY

[justiceischeap]

3. Some people lie about things

Some girls lie about being molested, some women lie about being raped, some men lie about molesting young girls and some men lie about raping women. Point?

[AgingAmerican]

107. So it is normal

...and should be treated as such?

[justiceischeap]

121. Didn't say that.

I was asking the OP their point with the post. Obviously there was some point to be made with it, one could think that the OP was insinuating that someone was lying about being molested by their famous father. Yes, some people lie, that doesn't mean all accusations are lies.

[snooper2]

4. The PM's are flying right now!

[LanternWaste]

5. I doubt this makes up for the 93+% of valid accusations

I doubt this makes up for the 93+% of valid accusations, but I'm sure it makes a bizarre demographic feel validated and warm inside...

[Whisp]

52. Man still denies he molested and raped children for years:

the Sandusky story.

[Le Taz Hot]

55. +1

I'm seething. I dare not respond to the OP so I'm just going to piggy back on yours if you don't mind.

[PeaceNikki]

6. what's your point?

[cleanhippie]

79. What's yours?

[PeaceNikki]

93. What's yours?

[cleanhippie]

131. To show that you don't have one. Thanks for helping demonstrate that.

Have a nice day.

[PeaceNikki]

132. i asked a question to the op about intention. clearly that is is very tough for you to grasp.

oh, and here's my passive aggressive smilie waving at yours, for good measure:

[cleanhippie]

133. And I asked you a question about your intention.

At least we know you have a firm grasp on passive-aggressive behavior. QED.

[bravenak]

7. One girl lied. That means they all lied!!! Even me. Maybe I have ' false memories'!!!

Let's let all of the child molesters out of prison right now!!! Innocent men all!!!

[1000words]

9. According to your words, all molesters are men

Let's let all of the child molesters out of prison right now!!! Innocent men all!!!

[bravenak]

13. Wow.

Rephrase. Let's let all of the molesters out, most of them men, innocent all!!!!!

Do you feel better now? Put you 1000 words in? I know I do.

[1000words]

15. Try as you might ...

I will not give you the drama you seem to crave.

[bravenak]

17. But you're doing it right now.

You're feeding the female beast. I'm feeling mysandrific today anyways.

You started it.

[BainsBane]

29. Ah, I gotta borrow that word

"mysandrific".

Well done!

[bravenak]

31. I make up shit all day.

Nice to be noticed. Thank you.

[Voice for Peace]

46. if you don't get noticed it's because of phenomanonymosity.

[bravenak]

49. I'm awesome at being anonymous?

Cool.

[Voice for Peace]

51. only if it's done phenomenonymously.

[JustAnotherGen]

101. Damn your good!

[Renew Deal]

80. Do you have statistics to prove that "most" are men?

[bravenak]

111. Yes I do.

Would you like to see them?

[justiceischeap]

53. I so want to create a poll and ask how many DU members have been molested by women

or men. However, I won't do that to the survivors of this horrendous crime. But I will raise my hand a state I was molested by a male.

[FrodosPet]

57. Both a man and a woman

To be fair, she was very drunk and very depressed over a bad breakup.

The guy, a friend of my mom, never got further than a hand on my shoulder and an obscene request that was met with an icy stare that said "Touch me again and you will be pooping into a sack".

[bravenak]

58. I was too.

My father was molested by his aunt.
He still thought I should worry more about men than women since most molesters are men.
And most victims are women.

[sibelian]

73. ....nooooooooo.... that's not the point, is it?

But pretending it is is certainly fun.

[bravenak]

112. Pretending is always fun.

Until it isn't.

[Renew Deal]

78. Why do you assume they are all men?

[seabeyond]

86. 99% of the people convicted of and imprisoned in response to rape accusations were male

This rape by gender article classifies types of rape by the sex of both the rapist and the victim. The scope of the article includes both rape and sexual violence more generally.

Since only a small percentage of acts of sexual violence are brought to the attention of the authorities, it is difficult to compile accurate statistics. Often, the statistics of successful convictions are looked at in lieu of this. The U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (1997) stated that 91% of United States people whose rape accusations resulted in convictions against the accused were female and 9% were male. It also stated that 99% of the people convicted of and imprisoned in response to rape accusations were male, with only 1% of those convicted being female.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_gender

the poster did not say all rapists are men. please re read and correct. further, she clarified the statement to make it more clear in a follow up post and used most. at 99%, that would be most rapists are men.

[Renew Deal]

98. They stated that "all" "child molesters" are men.

"Let's let all of the child molesters out of prison right now!!! Innocent men all!!!"

[seabeyond]

99. no. they did not. take note of periods, end of sentences. re read. NO....

the words arent in the right place, and as i told you in my first post to you, she clarified, corrected in her next post. a simple look see will further illustrate you are incorrect.

the poster is saying let the molesters our of prison. all the men are innocent.... meaning, not molesters dontcha know.

i think that is pretty clear. added bonus, clarity in the next post.

please correct you wrong accusation. you have proof that you interpreted the post wrong. to continue in this vain isnt.... nice.

[Renew Deal]

102. Her statement isn't clear

And I'm not the only one that read it that way. If she wants to clear up the original post, she is free to do so. As written, it is blatantly sexist.

[seabeyond]

103. you would just rather falsely accuse, and present an incorrect assumption than read the second post?

not to mention consideration of periods, end of sentences?

it is you choice to continue on making misstatements. and you seem to be ok with that.

just so others are clear, reading this exchange. you are well aware the very next post makes it abundantly clear for you, the reader, and you refuse to take that little step so you are no longer presenting a wrong.

[Renew Deal]

105. I get what you're saying

But you're talking to the wrong person. I didn't make the confusing post. My view is clear.

[seabeyond]

106. you are continuing to purposely misread it. that is your part. nt

[bravenak]

110. Read further.

I rephrased.

[bravenak]

115. Reading is fundamental.

Response to 1000words (Reply #9)Tue Feb 4, 2014, 12:42 PM
bravenak (2,258 posts)
13. Wow.

Rephrase. Let's let all of the molesters out, most of them men, innocent all!!!!!

Do you feel better now? Put you 1000 words in? I know I do.

[Orsino]

92. Binary thinking rarely survives contact with the real world. n/t

[1000words]

8. ...

[Vashta Nerada]

10. Maybe you should post another OP about how one woman lied about being raped.

It would be on par with this.



What's the point of this? Yes, one person lied. But it doesn't mean all child molestation allegations are lies.

[The Straight Story]

14. But this is DU, where if less than one percent of people do something wrong

We blame all.

Like on the gun issue. Own a gun you are a humper, nut, wanna be killer, small penis, etc and so on - all because a very tiny few in the group of gun owners did bad things with guns.

If people want to use that logic they best be prepared when others use the same logic.

[BainsBane]

24. Oh, it's been done

The woman who accused the Duke LaCross player is the favorite defense for why subsequent accused rapists are innocent.

[Vashta Nerada]

41. Why does this not surprise me?

[frylock]

56. pretty certain it's the defense for why subsequent accused rapists are innocent until proven guilty

[BainsBane]

65. Interesting how innocent until proven guilty is always raised to defend rapists

but not those of other crimes, the cop who killed the schizophrenic man, for example. Bush and Cheney aren't proclaimed innocent until proven guilty, nor is Chris Christie, whereas women who make false allegations are wished all variety of horrible punishment.

The fact is everyone is innocent until proven guilty in our justice system. Everyone. The question is why do some feel compelled to continually defend accused sexual predators? What is it about being accused of rape or child abuse that raises someone to a special status of respect over cops, elected officials, or others accused of a crime?

[frylock]

66. i guess you missed the video of the cops wailing on the schizophrenic man?

you want to go to the mat for chris christie in light of the current evidence? knock yourself out. any insight into the zimmerman trial you'd care to share with the group?

[BainsBane]

68. So you agree it is about subject matter

and not legal principal? So explain to me what makes rapists and child abusers better than those others you mention?

[frylock]

69. no, that's something you decided yourself..

i'll invite you to peruse the many threads I posted in regarding jerry sandusky or steubenville if you'd like to learn how I feel about rapists and child molesters. i'll also kindly ask you to not put words in my fucking mouth.

[BainsBane]

70. I'm not talking about you specifically

I'm talking about the broader reaction. You interjected in this subthread to tell me it was all about innocent until proven guilty, yet you scoff at the idea that folks accused of other crimes should have that point championed for them on this site. So again, I repeat, what is it about accused sexual predators that elevates them above everyone else? Why are they more important than other accused persons and more important than their alleged victims? Getting angry doesn't change the fact you aren't addressing my point. Since you injected in a subthread about a broader point and decided to make the discussion about yourself, perhaps you can tell me why the idea of raising innocent until proven guilty more offensive for you in those other cases you mentioned than for accused sexual predators?

[kcr]

71. I often see that as a form of attempting to shut down the opponent

Those who raise innocent until proven guilty rarely ever apply this evenly to every opinion, just like you say. The justice system somehow manages to chug along merrily whatever any one of us thinks or types.

[Eleanors38]

85. Actually, "innocent until proven guilty" should apply to everyone.

[BainsBane]

127. Read Once again, this time paying attention

The fact is everyone is innocent until proven guilty in our justice system. Everyone. The question is why do some feel compelled to continually defend accused sexual predators? What is it about being accused of rape or child abuse that raises someone to a special status of respect over cops, elected officials, or others accused of a crime?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4445478

[Eleanors38]

130. I agree. Everyone. But what is this "special status?"

[Scootaloo]

126. Well, becuase what they mean is "The powerful are presumed innocent"

Police, politicians, famous actor-directors, etc.

[Renew Deal]

81. Why are you acting so strange?

It's an ordinary DU news related post without comment? Why do you feel the need to respond with accusations?

[Vashta Nerada]

94. I'm sure it's just a coincidence this OP was posted.

And the timing isn't unusual, right?

[Renew Deal]

96. The story is 18 hours old

So it is new.

[BainsBane]

128. Come on. Don't assume people are stupid

We all know people choose certain news stories to make a point. Everyone does it. Pretending otherwise is disingenuous.

[oldhippie]

11. That can't be .....

I have been assured by several posters on this forum that it can't happen.

[BainsBane]

21. Links?

I wonder how long I'll have to wait for that? Forever, is my guess.

[oldhippie]

75. You know perfectly well what posts I am talking about .....

.... and, no, I am not going to waste my time. Keep on guessing.

[BainsBane]

104. I not only don't know pefectly well, I have never seen such a post

Unless of course you are pissed off that people have pointed out the fact that FBI stats show that false allegations are extremely rare, while some here drudge up a rarity each and every time they want to excuse an accused sexual predator. Child abuse and rape are exceedingly common. False allegations are rare. I seriously doubt anyone has said it is impossible for a false allegation to occur.

I knew I'd be waiting forever.

[oldhippie]

120. Me? Pissed off?

Unless of course you are pissed off that people have pointed out the fact ...

Where did you get the idea that I get pissed off by facts?

Seriously, you can't make this stuff up.

I seriously doubt anyone has said it is impossible for a false allegation to occur.

Yes, someone did. Said that if anyone believed that such a false allegation was possible they would be ignored.

[BainsBane]

129. One person said it?

Why not post the quote?

If one person said it, it will soon become the meme that everyone says it, because that's how the bullshit flies around here. They are still feeding off that doors lie, and will for another decade at least.

[kcr]

12. It doesn't say she lied about being molested

It says she lied about one of the occurrences. Not that she was molested at all. She was afraid the person molesting her would be allowed to come home.

[BainsBane]

20. Don't let facts get in the way

of a desperate attempt at distraction.

[kcr]

36. Isn't it funny how some will insist it's all about facts, and some let emotion get in the way

Yet here we are. And facts are getting downright ignored.

[BainsBane]

47. Yes, the facts trope is a Positivist one

and like Positivism has a clear class, race, and gender bias. They use the term "facts" when they have none, and then when someone puts forward a piece of information that doesn't fit their case, they turn to attacking the poster, calling her obsessed, predicable, etc....
as happened in this thread of mine. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024441074

[okaawhatever]

34. Here's the quote from the article:

"Yes," the girl, now 12, replied. "The first time it was the truth, but then the second time that she did, it was a lie."

The girl said she did not want her half-sister, who was sent to a juvenile detention center for molesting her in 2007, to return to live with the family.




Based on the WHOLE story, she came from a very unstable home. The father seemingly abused her. The mother, step-mother and father all seem like they have problems. Is it any wonder she has issues?

[kcr]

42. It was the father's defense.

They were probably trying to trip her up, to discredit her. She wasn't saying the abuse didn't happen. Given that this was an attempt to discredit her for the defense of her father, who knows how that response happened. I agree, it's obvious she comes from pretty awful circumstances. At any rate, she didn't admit to the abuse not happening at all, as the headline falsely suggests.

[HappyMe]

18. I'm pretty sure this isn't a common thing.

I just wish the few that do would stop to consider before they fuck somebody else's life up, make it weirder and harder for actual victims and make themselves look really bad.

[el_bryanto]

19. I guess that well-known Delaware Doctor is off the hook.

Good news for him.

But doesn't really exonerate others accused of molesting. Or those who intimidate their victims into keeping their mouths shut.

Bryant

[kcr]

22. I doubt it. If you actually read the details she doesn't say she wasn't molested.

She isn't lying about it. It's a misleading headline.

[Aerows]

23. If a child makes claims of sexual abuse

it needs to be investigated, because even if it *ISN'T* true, some fucked up things are going on in that house to give an eight year old fodder to accuse an adult.

[TroglodyteScholar]

26. I'm sorry, this can't be right.

I'm told by reliable DU sources that this simply does not happen.

[kcr]

27. And it isn't right in this case. The headline is wrong n/t

[BainsBane]

28. Please provide us links to those DU sources

I am guessing what you were told is that false allegations are rare, as FBI data shows. Whereas some here like to take one false allegation and use that as an excuse for why accused pedophile x, y, and rapist z and q are all innocent. It is an illogical position unsupported by data or anything else.

[Comrade Grumpy]

39. Oh, c'mon. There's a thread with 300+ replies in GD right now...

...whose basic premise is that if someone makes an allegation it MUST be true.

A false allegation about doctor in Delaware proves nothing except about that case. It certainly doesn't prove that Woody Allen is innocent of the claims against him.

I don't know who is arguing that because some tiny fraction of such allegations are false, all such must be false.

I do see a big dispute over the veracity of the allegations in the Allen case. That's the way it goes. People are allowed to make allegations; people are allowed to defend themselves against them.

[BainsBane]

44. And people can and do distort

which is precisely what the post you are defending did. I have seen NO ONE ever say false accusation is impossible. They have said the truth, it is rare. Now you may find that truth inconvenient, but that doesn't change the data.

[Democat]

113. You have never seen anyone say that false accusations are impossible?

Maybe you need to visit DU more often.

According to the DU witch hunters, no one has ever lied about being abused and anyone accused of abuse is guilty until proven innocent.

[kcr]

45. That wasn't the point of that thread at all

I know that is the knee jerk response that many seem to have taken from it. Claims of abuse should always be taken seriously. It doesn't therefore follow that all people accused are automatically guilty. That thread came from a very understandable point of frustration. The attitude that claims must always be suspect to protect the accused has been prolific with the Woody Allen scandal. I think that is what that OP was talking about.

[TroglodyteScholar]

60. I actually haven't posted directly on the issue

But I've seen a number of innocent DUers get attacked when they suggest the possibility that a child's accusation (or the adult recollection of childhood memories) might conceivably be flawed. I believe the current discussion arose over Woody Allen/Mia Farrow. This is a case where primarily one parent had access to the child and also has intensely bitter feelings, predating the alleged abuse, towards the other parent. This kind of case calls for increased scrutiny of the accusation...and to deny this is denying the accused of the presumption of innocence (you've heard of that, right?).

And IF you truly think anyone here is claiming that all rapists and pedophiles are innocent, you're an idiot who is wasting your time and everyone else's. However, there literally are people here who believe that an accuser's accusation is not to be questioned or examined too closely, and that you love sex criminals if you think anything different. It's nearly as simple-minded and offensive as the worst conservative views.

Alright, now for the knee-jerk asshole army to come along and tell me what an awful person I am for hating victims of abuse and loving baby-diddlers. I see that "You are ignoring this member" has already chimed in. Yay.

[kcr]

64. I'm not going to tell you you're an awful person

I just don't think your assessment of what happens on DU is accurate. Your portrayal of the Woody Allen/Mia Farrow story shows the same bias that probably leads you to see the controversy playing out on DU as innocent DUers being attacked.

[BainsBane]

67. You just call people idiots and "assholery army"

and insist others are doing the attacking? You can't seriously think that is credible.

Here are some basic points: Everyone is innocent until proven guilty in the US legal system. Everyone. Yet for some reasons the idea is raised constantly for accused sexual predators and not others. What is it about an accused rapist or child molester than puts him in higher esteem than a cop or an elected official, or the women accused of waging false accusations who are wished to serve lifetime in prison? It seems to me that accused sexual predators receive more respect that any other kind of accused person. That is what makes me wonder WTF is going on.

Someone just claimed the difference between sex with a minor before and after the age of consent was a "minor point." Another insisted than Woody Allen's attention on the underage Soon-Yi was needed attention since the girl wasn't pretty enough to date. That tells me that some people at least diverge from what you claim above.

The fact is any random population of a large enough size contains a certain number of rapists and child abusers. Pretending that is the case everywhere but here is absurd. It's beyond absurd. It's an entirely unbelievable claim. We have even had rapists admit to their crimes on this board. So your whole pretense that none of that exists is patently absurd.

If you don't want people to accuse you of things, perhaps you should stop using profane insult to refer to them? The fact is there are a lot of survivors of rape and child abuse on this board. That is a function of how incredibly common those crimes are: one in 4 women and a lesser though significant number of men are survivors. Yet they are assholes to you because they care about this issue and react strongly. Clearly some have a personal connection to the issue that explains the strong emotion. You insist NONE of Allen's defenders have any such personal experience. If that is true, why the level of anger? Why the insults and profanity? Why the complete lack of compassion for abuse survivors? Why the unyielding focus on themselves and their hurt feelings over the experiences of victims?
I suggest you look in the mirror before flinging profane insults. You lost me when you showed you practice none of the respect and decorum you insist others adhere to.

[Ken Burch]

61. The headline was WRONG...she didn't say NO abuse happened.

This doesn't mean the doctor is innocent.

And there's no good reason for you to start this shit.

Are you a "Manhood 101" kind of guy?

[TroglodyteScholar]

72. Yea, that's me precisely

...

[Squinch]

30. "Researchers Say That as Few As 1 in 10 Instances of Child Abuse Are Reported."

http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1863650,00.html#ixzz2sORXban3

[Starry Messenger]

32. I guess that bottom of the barrel you lot are scraping *does* go lower.

Neat.

[Aerows]

35. "My home life is far too stable."

"I'd better make up some accusations of sexual abuse at 7 years old to keep things interesting!".

[Starry Messenger]

38. Father of the year here:

""Yes," the girl, now 12, replied. "The first time it was the truth, but then the second time that she did, it was a lie."

The girl said she did not want her half-sister, who was sent to a juvenile detention center for molesting her in 2007, to return to live with the family.

She also admitted to telling a therapist that Morse had never really slapped her, but that she had gotten the idea from talking to her half-sister.

Earlier on Tuesday, the girl said Morse, 60, had waterboarded her as punishment for vomiting milk.

Waterboarding, typically associated with the interrogation of terrorism suspects, in general involves holding a cloth over a person's face and flooding it with water to simulate drowning.

Morse {dear old dad} told her she could survive without air for "five minutes without brain damage," she said in a video of her questioning at a children's advocacy center in August 2012."

[Aerows]

40. Oh, well that settles it

No "real" abuse taking place here!

[SidDithers]

33. I feel there's an Ignore in your future...nt

Sid

[Squinch]

37. That's a really bad choice of story for the point you are trying to make. Read the rest of it:

"During cross-examination, Morse's defense team played a video of the girl telling a counselor how her half-sister, then 16, had recently molested her for a second time.

"That was a lie under oath, wasn't it?" asked Morse's attorney, Joe Hurley.

"Yes," the girl, now 12, replied. "The first time it was the truth, but then the second time that she did, it was a lie."

The girl said she did not want her half-sister, who was sent to a juvenile detention center for molesting her in 2007, to return to live with the family."

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/02/04/us-usa-delaware-waterboard-trial-idUKBREA131EL20140204

[WinkyDink]

43. Do you really want counter-point "Man admits he lied about molesting" links?

[cynatnite]

48. I am so fucking sick of the wrongs of one person being used to paint all victims as the same...

Geez, enough already people. It's fucking sick.

When are we going to stop victimizing the victims.

[Kelvin Mace]

50. The girl's father is being tried for torturing her

I don't think we can draw any broad conclusions about the topic of molestation from this incident.

[Tien1985]

54. Wow, is Woody Allen

That important to you?

[gollygee]

59. Is this what DU is now?

First, she admitted that one of the two instances of molestation didn't really happen, not that she wasn't molested at all.

Second, are we going to say that because one girl lied once about one instance of abuse, all girls are suspect?

[boston bean]

83. It's pretty much what has been alluded to by many. She lied, her mother planted false memories....

New day, same bullshit.

[pintobean]

62. This thread is hilarious

Just post a news story, without comment, and watch a bunch of people fall all over themselves jumping to conclusions.

[sibelian]

76. I think DU is done.

Don't you?

Entirely cooked.

[Renew Deal]

82. I agree

It's crazy. I've stayed away from the Woody Allen stuff. I'm guessing that's where all the angst is coming from.

[seabeyond]

88. there will always be those that prefer a chuckle and bag of popcorn

for entertainment at others expense.

[pintobean]

95. And, there are those that read

things that aren't there, and assume the worst in people.

[seabeyond]

97. and, there are those that know the reality and STILL actively promote the worst

of who we are. at all cost.

[Ken Burch]

63. Even if the girl said there was more abuse than actually happened

That doesn't mean the doctor is innocent...and it doesn't discredit her accusations...and it doesn't have a damn thing to do with Dylan's accusations against Woody Allen.

And you damn well know it.

Funny, how nobody ever tries to collectively discredit any OTHER category of crime victims, isn't it?

Go join "Manhood 101".

[bettyellen]

74. "nobody ever tries to collectively discredit any OTHER category of crime victims"

[seabeyond]

77. quit trying to rationalize allens pervertities. they are what they are. be offended. nt

[snooper2]

84. Your back!

Just in time to chime in on the international community getting FUCKED by Russia LOL

[seabeyond]

87. hey.... i have been reading you.

a bit of game playing, but always a soft spot. god only knows why.... lol

saw the 51 billion

or the water

or the anti gay

or the bad courses that cause injury

help me out.

[snooper2]

89. best thread so far

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024445498

[seabeyond]

90. omg.... lol, thanks for the link.

the manhole itself had my stomach rolling. wowsers, to be so totally inept. and 51b. had to grease a lot fo palms to get uncovered manholes, lol

thanks

[TheSarcastinator]

108. You really don't get the whole "presumption of innocence" thing, do you?

Allen is still officially innocent, no matter how many times you try to find him guilty in the court of public opinion.

[seabeyond]

109. you ignore the tells of rape and molestation of our chilldren, you are part of the problem.

[TheSarcastinator]

116. Yes, insisting on presumption of innocence is obviously a problem for you.

Thanks for the clarification.

I'm sure it will only take you a few minutes to begin hinting that those who insist on presumption of innocence must have "something to hide", as I have seen on other threads. Your tactics -- and your ethics -- are crystal clear.

Carry on, brave internet warrior.

[seabeyond]

118. Projection? You do not even need me in this conversation since you feel capable

Of redefining what I say and take it a step further to tell all what I say next.

Tell me how seriously you take the presumption of innocence. But that is not what my post are about as you are well aware. And that is not what this thread is about which is clear to the majority here.

[opiate69]

114. "Pervertities"???

[seabeyond]

117. You laugh at molestation of children? I understand you and yours

Are working hard at redefining the issue. Hence, the new low. But I really do not see the belly laugh in molesting our children.

[seabeyond]

122. wow... a whole post of insults. just blatant. no if and or buts. just throw out insults.....

after laughing at people who take molesting children seriously.

[polly7]

123. I don't think you'll find ONE single person here who doesn't take molesting

children seriously.

That's a horrible accusation, whether you realize it, or not.

Nothing changes.

[RiffRandell]

124. Nope.

Although it was a tad more "quiet" around here and a lot more pleasant...until today. Very telling.

[pintobean]

125. Ya got dat right

[JTFrog]

134. Bullshit.

You must have had your fingers in your ears for the last week or so.

At least with the addition of sea's voice, things are back to being a little more balanced around here.

And you can save it, I don't really care if you agree with that or not.

[Cerridwen]

91. Not one person read the article. (edited) I found one who did.

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During cross-examination, Morse's defense team played a video of the girl telling a counselor how her half-sister, then 16, had recently molested her for a second time.

"That was a lie under oath, wasn't it?" asked Morse's attorney, Joe Hurley.

"Yes," replied the girl, now 12, who was cross-examined for more than three hours. "The first time it was the truth, but then the second time that she did, it was a lie."

The girl said she did not want her half-sister, who was sent to a juvenile detention center for molesting her in 2007, to return to live with the family.

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The article has a decided bias. Apparently the girl's sister was due home from detention. The girl did not want her to come home and so fabricated a 2nd molestation. "The first time it was the truth, but then the second time that she did, it was a lie."

Not one person who replied to the OP read or understood the article at the link. It helped that the OP didn't include a few paragraphs.

The girl, unlike here, is not on trial. Her step-father is on trial for torturing her. he jokingly referred to it as waterboarding.

his defense attorney is twisting and turning her testimony to cast doubt on her words in order to provide a "shadow of a doubt."

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/national_world&id=9411601

It looks as though yahoo has updated or added an article with an entirely different style: http://news.yahoo.com/delaware-doctor-accused-waterboarding-stepdaughter-trial-opens-235754950--sector.html

[riverwalker]

100. I had several of his books

and threw them all in the trash when the allegations came out.