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William769

(55,144 posts)
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 05:18 PM Feb 2014

WATCH: Gay Russians Brutally Attacked on Camera ****GRAPHIC VIOLENCE****

A new video from activist organization Human Rights Watch provides a terrifying look into just how bad anti-LGBT violence has become in Russia.

Using clips from videos posted to Russian social networks that proudly document the violent assaults against people perceived to be LGBT, the Human Rights Watch video gives a brutal and all too real face to the hostility fostered by Russia's state-sanctioned homophobia. The video includes clips showing members of the Neo-Nazi vigilante group "Occupy Pedophilia," which claims to protect children by luring gay men with false offers of dates online, then humiliates and often brutalizes the young men captured, forcing them to "confess" to their homosexuality or pedophilia on-camera.

In addition to its shocking footage, the video also features interviews with LGBT Russians and activists, who place the escalation of anti-LGBT violence squarely on the shoulders of the President Vladimir Putin's Kremlin, which passed a ban on "propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations" last summer, essentially criminalizing any positive mention or depiction of LGBT people. Russian activists contend that when they report the antigay attacks to police, officers tell them it's the treatment they should expect for being gay in Russia.

http://www.advocate.com/news/world-news/2014/02/04/watch-gay-russians-brutally-attacked-camera

Watch the video below, but be warned that it contains violent, graphic images of brutal antigay assaults.



FOGIVE ME IF I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT WILL BE WATCHING AND ENJOYING THE WINTER OLYMPICS THIS YEAR.
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WATCH: Gay Russians Brutally Attacked on Camera ****GRAPHIC VIOLENCE**** (Original Post) William769 Feb 2014 OP
they are arresting people who take these videos JI7 Feb 2014 #1
Really? Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #4
one of the people fined under the anti gay law was because they reported JI7 Feb 2014 #6
That was actually a gay person who was charged. Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #8
yes, that was it, they arrest people if they claim the videos are evidence of anti gay attacks JI7 Feb 2014 #9
The link Aegis gave doesn't read that way...... go west young man Feb 2014 #13
From my link: Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #20
Fucking horrific Aerows Feb 2014 #5
I don't know the answer to your question. Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #10
Extremely sad :( Aerows Feb 2014 #11
Though all were horrible.... Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #2
Thanks for the links. I didn't see them. William769 Feb 2014 #3
What's to forgive? Glassunion Feb 2014 #7
Such a beautiful country. sagat Feb 2014 #12
This is what Evangelicals and some Conservative Republicans want to happen in this country justiceischeap Feb 2014 #14
On the bright side, they seem to be losing FrodosPet Feb 2014 #31
FUCK! Unknown Beatle Feb 2014 #15
Damn! Cha Feb 2014 #16
This is the very reason I refuse to watch arthritisR_US Feb 2014 #17
When we marched on Hollywood Boulevard in the mid-1970's we were harrassed the same way. David Zephyr Feb 2014 #18
Thank you for sharing your story! Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #22
Thank you, too. David Zephyr Feb 2014 #26
Thank you for your story David. William769 Feb 2014 #23
Right back to you, too, William769. David Zephyr Feb 2014 #27
I won't watch the video, but I absolutely believe it happened davidpdx Feb 2014 #19
I wasn't going to watch Jamaal510 Feb 2014 #21
Kick! countryjake Feb 2014 #24
The bent thumb... countryjake Feb 2014 #25
Why it's the West Hollywood of Europe! Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #28
kick Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #29
K & R davidpdx Feb 2014 #30
Kick! Cha Feb 2014 #32
Right-Wing Watch - Scott Lively: Video Of Anti-Gay Violence In Russia Is A 'Hoax' pampango Feb 2014 #33
Oh, the irony! countryjake Feb 2014 #34

JI7

(89,246 posts)
6. one of the people fined under the anti gay law was because they reported
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 05:31 PM
Feb 2014

about one of these videos which showed an attack on gays.

actually i could be mixing it up with other cases. but i know one of them involved a video of attacks on gays.

Behind the Aegis

(53,945 posts)
8. That was actually a gay person who was charged.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 05:34 PM
Feb 2014

I think I know to which case you may be referring. He went to the police because he was one of the victims in the video. He was arrested. I don't know what happened with the case though. Currently, there is a neo-Nazi skinhead being extradited from Cuba, but it is for "incitement" and the videos from this "Occupy Pedophilia" (his organization which lures gay men on dates and then films them as they are beaten) haven't been included in the charges apparently.

http://www.advocate.com/news/world-news/2014/01/21/antigay-russian-neo-nazi-arrested-cuba

JI7

(89,246 posts)
9. yes, that was it, they arrest people if they claim the videos are evidence of anti gay attacks
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 05:48 PM
Feb 2014

but they don't do anything to people who may be involved in the attack and record it themselves just to show off .

but if someone posts the same video somewhere else and makes negative comments about what happened they will be arrested.

Behind the Aegis

(53,945 posts)
20. From my link:
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 01:28 AM
Feb 2014
Although they don't seem to be mentioned in the current charges facing the skinhead, Martsinkevich's Occupy Pedophilia campaign has produced a series of videos documenting the violent and homophobic harassment of men the group claims were seeking to have sex with minor boys. The graphic videos often go viral and have also been used to humiliate gay teenagers who responded to false romantic invitations from what they thought were other gay youth in chat rooms.

ETA: There were two conversations going on with the other poster.

Behind the Aegis

(53,945 posts)
10. I don't know the answer to your question.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 06:16 PM
Feb 2014

Personally, what is more frightening is the lackadaisical and "it is just a fad" type of responses I see in editorials and such. Most people are simply turning a blind eye to it. Think what will happen with all the world's eyes are no longer on Sochi.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
11. Extremely sad :(
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 06:18 PM
Feb 2014

We can only hope that shining the spotlight of the Olympics on Sochi that it at least helps to prevent some victims, and can affect change. So damn sad.

Behind the Aegis

(53,945 posts)
2. Though all were horrible....
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 05:24 PM
Feb 2014

...the worst two were the gay man who said he derived to die and the one made to rape himself with a glass bottle. This story is also in LBN and V&M.

Is this a preview of what is to come after the Olympics?

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
14. This is what Evangelicals and some Conservative Republicans want to happen in this country
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 07:54 PM
Feb 2014
http://www.thenation.com/article/177823/how-us-evangelicals-fueled-rise-russias-pro-family-right

According to this article, some anti-gay lobbyists in the US helped out with the law in Russia.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
31. On the bright side, they seem to be losing
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 07:48 AM
Feb 2014

I'm sorry - I know the C.W. here is, when someone outside the U.S. does something horrible, we MUST remind ourselves that the U.S.A. is always worse.

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
15. FUCK!
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 08:29 PM
Feb 2014

That's it! I'm not watching the winter Olympics this year.

I'm so fucking pissed off because I feel so helpless not helping those people that are being assaulted.

My family says it's a fault that I have for helping people that are under assault, that it might cause me harm. But I don't care. If I see anybody in trouble anywhere and I'm present to help, I'll step in without thinking about it. It's just a reaction.

David Zephyr

(22,785 posts)
18. When we marched on Hollywood Boulevard in the mid-1970's we were harrassed the same way.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 08:59 PM
Feb 2014

Lest anyone believe that it was always easy to be gay in the USA, it wasn't. I have friends (now passed) who were arrested and jailed for holding their loved one's hands inside a private bar. I have friends who were subjected to electro-shock treatment when they were teenagers in the 1960's by our "medical establishment" because they were "queer". I have friends who took their lives because living was too painful. Right here in the good ole USA.

Long before the parade on Santa Monica Boulevard became a celebratory event, there were marches up on Hollywood Boulevard where I and my friends were attacked, had beer bottles thrown at us exploding on the street with glass flying up in our faces, had the ugliest jeers and obscenities screamed at us and where the Los Angeles Policemen (yes, they were all police "men" back then) sat on their motorcycles and laughed at the abuse we put up with. My friend Cosmo had his face gashed with a beer bottle in 1977 right on Hollywood Boulevard with the cops smirking at him when they saw it happen.

These Russian LGBT heroes are at the forefront of their own battle there and they have my compassion and admiration.

The human race seems to always need someone or some group to hate and to assault.

William769, thank you for posting this today.

David Zephyr

(22,785 posts)
26. Thank you, too.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 08:05 PM
Feb 2014

Behind the Aegis, I truly appreciate your activism. And I really mean that. Old age creeps up fast and I'm there. You are carrying the torch and I am aware and acknowledge it and thank you for it.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
19. I won't watch the video, but I absolutely believe it happened
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 09:06 PM
Feb 2014

I for one won't be watching the Olympics this year.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
21. I wasn't going to watch
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 03:55 AM
Feb 2014

the Winter Olympics anyway because the Olympics bore me, but after seeing this and being more aware about the shady shit going on in Russia, I cannot in good consciousness watch this year's Olympics at all--not even out of desperation for something on TV to watch.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
33. Right-Wing Watch - Scott Lively: Video Of Anti-Gay Violence In Russia Is A 'Hoax'
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 02:34 PM
Feb 2014

Scott Lively is repeating his completely baseless claim that gay people are behind anti-gay violence in Russia, this time claiming that a Human Rights Watch video about attacks on gay people is “just another piece of deceptive Machiavellian ‘gay’ propaganda.”

The anti-gay pastor points to no evidence besides his own hunch video that several of the assaults seen in such video are likely staged as part of a larger “hoax.” In an article today on BarbWire, a website run by Liberty Counsel’s Matt Barber, Lively writes:

Last Fall, on behalf of pro-family advocates here in the United States and Canada, I sent a letter to President Vladimir Putin thanking his government for passing a law protecting Russian children from “gay” propaganda. In that letter I offered this warning:

In readying your society to recognize and counter the efforts of the militant gay movement it is important to understand that their propaganda and policies adhere invariably to the narrative that all disapproval of homosexuality leads inevitably to hatred, violence and murder of homosexuals. All of the pro-homosexual policies in the United States and Europe rest on this unstated and unchallenged but fictional premise. Thus, the homosexualist movement is not simply seeking social tolerance, or acceptance, but political power and control. They want the power to stamp out all disapproval of homosexuality in your society and to compel every citizen (especially the youth) to embrace the view that homosexual conduct is good and normal….In the coming months and years Russia and Her people will be increasingly portrayed by emotion laden and abusive hyperbole as bigoted haters, intent on exterminating homosexuals.

The Human Rights Watch video, released to coincide with the opening of he [sic] Sochi Olympics is fulfillment of my prophecy. I predict more will follow.


http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/lively-video-anti-gay-violence-russia-hoax

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
34. Oh, the irony!
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 10:57 PM
Feb 2014

Last edited Tue Feb 11, 2014, 03:58 AM - Edit history (1)

Scott Lively says:

"But that begs the question, who are these perps? Q. What sort of men go out of their way to find and harass effeminate “gay” men on the public streets?"

My answer: A. Bastards just like you!


Thank you for posting that, pampango!

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