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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBill Nye '16!!
Destroyed Ham's distorted logic and flawed philosophical posits.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)But yes, go Bill!
Roland99
(53,342 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Oh, you mean... never mind.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)Bill Nye was funny, factual and informative, and that embarrassingly unequipped bible fellow was a boring and pedantic 'Johnny-one-note'.
Science rocks!!!
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)I laughed my ass off.
Neurotica
(609 posts)X_Digger
(18,585 posts)I was literally rubbing my hands at one point, chortling evilly.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)Neurotica
(609 posts)My teenage son and I were watching. He attends a science academy. I'm sure this will be a hot topic of discussion!
pokerfan
(27,677 posts)Not finding anything on Youtube except previews.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Silent3
(15,152 posts)He didn't let himself get run over by a "Gish Gallop" or anything like that, and put some good ideas out there for at least the more thoughtful creationists (if there is such a thing) to consider.
I really wish, however, Nye took Ham to task for the whole "observational" vs. "historical" science BS he was pulling. Ham was basically saying that if something has happened in the past, science can't say anything about it. If lions had to be vegetarians for Ham's Bible story to be true, then it was true, and that's as good as anything science can say. If continents had to speed up and slow down on cue to fit his Biblical story, then that's just what they did. If rates of radioactive decay or the speed of light need to be different in the past to match a literal Biblical account, not only were they different, but with no evidence required to prove this, they were different exactly when needed, by the amount needed, so that the Bible can be true.
Nye let Ham get away with asserting that there's somehow no logic or language without God, never challenging Ham in anyway on that point, or any similar first-cause reasoning that amounts to nothing more than slapping the name "God" on top of "I don't know" to make it seem prettier and more profound. Doing so never really answers any questions, it leaves you knowing nothing more than you did before, while sneaking in a lot of superfluous theological baggage as a package deal.
Nye never emphasized how it's better in science to say "I don't know" than "God did it!", because that's not really an answer that explains anything at all, certainly not in a scientific sense.
Nye never said how utterly unscientific it is to assume that you already know the truth, to have predetermined conclusions that you cannot ever let yourself abandon no matter what evidence presents itself, how you certainly are not involved in science when you turn the evidentiary process upside down, treating evidence as something that cannot be allowed to do anything but help you reach where you've already decided you need to go.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,592 posts)But he's got my vote!