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FORT WORTH, TX An elderly man was slain in his own garage because police inadvertently began searching the wrong address while investigating a burglary call. Spotting a man who appeared standoffish in his own garage, police opened fire, killing a 72-year-old grandfather. After months of investigation, the officer has been cleared and is back on the streets."
*Officer Hoepnner claims that when he spotted Mr. Waller, he identified himself and commanded the homeowner to drop his gun. According to the police narrative, Waller was hesitant to comply with commands of the strangers. After momentarily setting his gun down, Waller allegedly freaked out and lost it and picked the gun back up and assumed a ready stance, aiming his pistol at police officers. Hoepnner opened fire.
The senior citizen was struck multiple times and was pronounced dead at the scene. His slanted driveway was stained with a trail of his blood and his distraught wife had to be taken to the hospital for emotional distress.
The loss was devastating to the community. They are just a nice retired couple, that loved working in their yard, having family over, and grandkids, said Becky Haskin, a neighbor who knew the Wallers.
I think he panicked, Haskin said to the Star-Telegram. He just unloaded his gun in rapid fire. Thats what I heard. It woke me up. I thought it was in my back yard just rapid fire, one right after the other, in succession. There wasnt any hesitation.
The burglary alert across the street was a false alarm.
http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/jerry-waller/
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)who fall in the line of their "duty" when they act like this.
http://www.sfgate.com/nation/article/Indiana-law-lets-citizens-shoot-at-police-3612347.php
damnedifIknow
(3,183 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)lpbk2713
(42,750 posts)Yeah, right.
Logical
(22,457 posts)SamKnause
(13,091 posts)Oh that was rich.
He was not pro police.
They blinded an elderly man with their flashlights.
They were at the wrong address.
No sirens were used.
They did not turn on the lights of their police car.
They did not activate their lapel microphones.
This was murder.
I don't care how you spin it.
This was murder.
The standard defense; the officer felt threatened.
Murder, out and out MURDER !!!!!!!!!!
sakabatou
(42,146 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,365 posts)Im pretty sure I told you this; but I wanna reiterate that he umm, his his attitude towards us was very malicious. It it was not, pro-police at all. He did not seem happy that, that we were there.
if someone who who who is .you get someone out there who would follow the gun laws; and and that understands that a police officer is telling you this, that youre not gonna sit there and hold the gun still; cause .I mean like its almost as if he was challenging me. And the fact the reason I say that is I mean, his .the way he stood; I mean I mean his comments as in, why You know like, what what person in their right man mind would ask a peace officer a, a law enforcement officer why when he tells you and give you verbal commands that were being serious , drop the gun, you know. Your law abiding citizen is not going to tell going to ask you, why.
The way he talks to me is a very stand-off attitude. You know you know when he say, get get the light outta my eyes, it wasnt please sir; get the light outta my eyes. Hey, can you please get the light outta my eyes. It was, get the light outta my eyes! You know, it was real standoff, like you know
Now that I think back on it and you know, had all this time to think on it. I think his intentions as soon as he walked out that door and saw me and he didnt want to put the gun down, I firmly believe that he was trying to find a point and time where when when he could shoot me at when when when it was the most beneficial time for him to shoot me.
Yeah. Of course. Cops show up on this mans property for no reason, yelling and carrying on and it's the PRIVATE CITIZEN who is wrong.
And dead.
Cops are out of god damned control in this country.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)he should have assisted suicide charges against him.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)and utterly stupid. And this is what they put a badge on? And this is what a judge would let loose back into the streets? Nothing in the old west.. or US history is as degenerated or cowardly as the kind of acts we are seeing committed by some officers in this country just by sheer number of acts. But I hold the judges responsible. They are the enablers of this level of incompetency.
Civilization is truly devolving.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I'm sorry, I know it's a pretty terrifying thing, after years - decades - of pro-civilization indoctrination... but the idea of civilization is actually pretty fucking horrible both for us and for everything around us.
That the courts protect the mercenaries is hardly surprising, since the mercenaries are required for the protection of all those judges' palatial feifs. civilization!
defacto7
(13,485 posts)You've got a point there. Really we have no civilization. So saying "this IS civilization" seems a play on words meaning we are at zero and going down.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I'm not in the mood for primitivist sociology at the moment
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Have a beer!
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)if the police version of events is accurate. Unfortunately, that version is all we have.
Grandpa disarmed himself at the orders of the cops.
Grandpa then rearmed himself and pointed a gun at the cops.
Clear case of self defense for the cops according to the version of events by the cops.
Since the family seems to dispute the cops version of events, it would be nice to hear their version.
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ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)We = everyone but you.
If you have any info that helps with the conversation, please add it. Everyone knows that the story from the cops leaves a lot to be desired.
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Logical
(22,457 posts)Response to Logical (Reply #25)
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Logical
(22,457 posts)Banging your head against things has made your posts make no sense! Got it!
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A HERETIC I AM
(24,365 posts)ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)Post #26 was not that bad, though you might have felt silly after my response to it. No harm done from my perspective.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,365 posts)Abuse by the police has touched very close to home for me.
I do not like the vast majority of police officers because, it is my experience, too many of them are like the officer in question and the distance from smiling officer friendly to beating your head in or shooting you can be measured with a micrometer.
When I am passionate about a subject I get riled up.
When I get riled up, I type things I shouldn't.
I also completely run out of patience for others.
It is at those times I should just close DU and go watch a comedy clip on YouTube.
So here we are.
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)Been there, done that. I have gotten good at waiting and rereading before I hit the send button when a break is needed.
damnedifIknow
(3,183 posts)I just have become sort of numb when it comes to this subject but completely understand where you're coming from.
jsr
(7,712 posts)Hanlons credibility had been questioned because he was fired in October on allegations that he provided false information in an arrest affidavit stemming from a traffic stop Aug. 9.
damnedifIknow
(3,183 posts)But a neighbor, former Councilwoman Becky Haskin, said its clear that Hoeppner was not well-trained and that the city should step up and put some closure on this.
Nothing is going to bring Jerry back, said Haskin, who was among those testifying before the grand jury. But someone needs to apologize to this family. Its an accidental death at the hands of an untrained police officer.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)We all know the value of the apology fad these days.
damnedifIknow
(3,183 posts)A former councilwoman testified that he is not trained. WTF?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts).
ThpThpThpthpthpthpthpthpthpthpthpthpthpthpthpthpthpthp to eternity.
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)I think someone 'freaked out' and 'lost it', but it was NOT Mr. Waller.
Sadly we will only have the testimony from one person. The other is dead.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)popular act.
"Sadly we will only have the testimony from one person. The other is dead."
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)every get involved in suing these assholes?
MysticHuman
(219 posts)What has our country evolved too? I used to trust our police... I can't say that anymore.
Fuck it.... fuck it all...
MH
kcr
(15,315 posts)Not only not charged, but back on the streets. That cop is dangerous.