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damnedifIknow

(3,183 posts)
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 11:38 PM Feb 2014

Officer cleared after going to wrong address, shooting innocent grandpa in his garage



FORT WORTH, TX — An elderly man was slain in his own garage because police “inadvertently began searching” the wrong address while investigating a burglary call. Spotting a man who appeared “standoffish” in his own garage, police opened fire, killing a 72-year-old grandfather. After months of investigation, the officer has been cleared and is back on the streets."

*Officer Hoepnner claims that when he spotted Mr. Waller, he identified himself and commanded the homeowner to drop his gun. According to the police narrative, Waller was hesitant to comply with commands of the strangers. After momentarily setting his gun down, Waller allegedly “freaked out” and “lost it” and picked the gun back up and assumed a “ready” stance, aiming his pistol at police officers. Hoepnner opened fire.

The senior citizen was struck multiple times and was pronounced dead at the scene. His slanted driveway was stained with a trail of his blood and his distraught wife had to be taken to the hospital for emotional distress.

The loss was devastating to the community. “They are just a nice retired couple, that loved working in their yard, having family over, and grandkids,” said Becky Haskin, a neighbor who knew the Wallers.

“I think he panicked,” Haskin said to the Star-Telegram. “He just unloaded his gun in rapid fire. That’s what I heard. It woke me up. I thought it was in my back yard — just rapid fire, one right after the other, in succession. There wasn’t any hesitation.”

The burglary alert across the street was a false alarm.

http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/jerry-waller/
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Officer cleared after going to wrong address, shooting innocent grandpa in his garage (Original Post) damnedifIknow Feb 2014 OP
It is hard to feel empathy for those cops Dawson Leery Feb 2014 #1
I guess we will never hear the grandfathers side of the story damnedifIknow Feb 2014 #3
Of course the cop walks. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #2
Yay cops! They executed him, and got a vacation for for their trouble. n/t Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #4
To protect and to serve. lpbk2713 Feb 2014 #5
Cops get away with murder all the time. nt Logical Feb 2014 #6
Killer cops SamKnause Feb 2014 #7
Disgusting sakabatou Feb 2014 #8
Ya just gotta love this, and I mean that in no way seriously; A HERETIC I AM Feb 2014 #9
If the Cop's statement is valid, Downwinder Feb 2014 #16
That is one sick minded cop defacto7 Feb 2014 #19
This IS civilization Scootaloo Feb 2014 #29
"pro-civilization indoctrination" defacto7 Feb 2014 #38
Actually, not quote what i meant, but it'll do Scootaloo Feb 2014 #39
It's late here too. defacto7 Feb 2014 #41
The outcome is as to be expected ManiacJoe Feb 2014 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Feb 2014 #12
Can we get an English translation? ManiacJoe Feb 2014 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Feb 2014 #18
Thanks for the translation. ManiacJoe Feb 2014 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Feb 2014 #26
Well, we means him and I Einstein! Get it now? nt Logical Feb 2014 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Feb 2014 #27
Ok, I get it.... Logical Feb 2014 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Feb 2014 #32
I'm out. A HERETIC I AM Feb 2014 #33
Sorry I missed it. ManiacJoe Feb 2014 #34
I feel passionately about this subject. A HERETIC I AM Feb 2014 #35
Passion is good. Riled up, probably not so good. ManiacJoe Feb 2014 #36
I'm the same way damnedifIknow Feb 2014 #42
Hanlon was caught lying in an arrest affidavit: jsr Feb 2014 #11
More from your link damnedifIknow Feb 2014 #13
apologize? defacto7 Feb 2014 #20
And he's back on the streets damnedifIknow Feb 2014 #24
"I apologize, to all those who may have been offended..." Scootaloo Feb 2014 #30
May I offer an eternal raspberry to that apology... defacto7 Feb 2014 #40
What is the possibility of the Grand Jury testimony being made public? ManiacJoe Feb 2014 #14
Sure he did. Like I am going to believe a pig. Rex Feb 2014 #17
Maybe that's one of the reasons it's become such a defacto7 Feb 2014 #22
Does the ACLU ohheckyeah Feb 2014 #23
I am at a loss for words.... MysticHuman Feb 2014 #31
That is outrageous. kcr Feb 2014 #37

SamKnause

(13,091 posts)
7. Killer cops
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 12:45 AM
Feb 2014

Oh that was rich.

He was not pro police.

They blinded an elderly man with their flashlights.

They were at the wrong address.

No sirens were used.

They did not turn on the lights of their police car.

They did not activate their lapel microphones.

This was murder.

I don't care how you spin it.

This was murder.

The standard defense; the officer felt threatened.

Murder, out and out MURDER !!!!!!!!!!

A HERETIC I AM

(24,365 posts)
9. Ya just gotta love this, and I mean that in no way seriously;
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 12:57 AM
Feb 2014
“…the whole entire time I’m giving commands, “Drop the gun, drop the gun, drop the gun.” “And he’s not dropping it and he had this attitude towards us that…it was almost an attitude of, you can’t tell me to drop my gun.” “You know what I mean?” “Like who are you to telling me to, you know what I mean.” “He kind of had an attitude kind of very hostile towards us…”

“I’m pretty sure I told you this; but I wanna reiterate that he…umm, his…his attitude towards us was very malicious.” “It…it was not, pro-police at all.” “ He did not seem happy that, that we were there.”

…if someone who…who…who…is….you get someone out there who would follow the gun laws; and…and that understands that a police officer is telling you this, that you’re not gonna sit there and hold the gun still; cause….I mean like…it’s almost as if he was challenging me.” “And the fact…the reason I say that is I mean, his….the way he stood; I mean…I mean his comments as in, ‘why’…” “ You know like, what…what person in their right man…mind would ask a peace officer…a, a law enforcement officer…’why’ …when he tells you and give you verbal commands that we’re being serious…, drop the gun, you know. Your law abiding citizen is not going to tell… going to ask you, why.”

The way he talks to me is a very stand-off attitude.” “ You know…you know when he say, get…get the light outta my eyes, it wasn’t please sir; get the light outta my eyes.” “Hey, can you please get the light outta my eyes.” “It was, get the light outta my eyes!” “You know, it was real standoff, like…you know…”

Now that I think back on it and you know, had all this time to think on it. I think his intentions as soon as he walked out that door and saw me and he didn’t want to put the gun down, I firmly believe that he was trying to find a point and time where…when…when he could shoot me at when…when…when it was the most beneficial time for him to shoot me.”



Yeah. Of course. Cops show up on this mans property for no reason, yelling and carrying on and it's the PRIVATE CITIZEN who is wrong.

And dead.

Cops are out of god damned control in this country.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
19. That is one sick minded cop
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 01:21 AM
Feb 2014

and utterly stupid. And this is what they put a badge on? And this is what a judge would let loose back into the streets? Nothing in the old west.. or US history is as degenerated or cowardly as the kind of acts we are seeing committed by some officers in this country just by sheer number of acts. But I hold the judges responsible. They are the enablers of this level of incompetency.

Civilization is truly devolving.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
29. This IS civilization
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 01:47 AM
Feb 2014

I'm sorry, I know it's a pretty terrifying thing, after years - decades - of pro-civilization indoctrination... but the idea of civilization is actually pretty fucking horrible both for us and for everything around us.

That the courts protect the mercenaries is hardly surprising, since the mercenaries are required for the protection of all those judges' palatial feifs. civilization!

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
38. "pro-civilization indoctrination"
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 02:24 AM
Feb 2014

You've got a point there. Really we have no civilization. So saying "this IS civilization" seems a play on words meaning we are at zero and going down.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
39. Actually, not quote what i meant, but it'll do
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 02:25 AM
Feb 2014

I'm not in the mood for primitivist sociology at the moment

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
10. The outcome is as to be expected
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 01:07 AM
Feb 2014

if the police version of events is accurate. Unfortunately, that version is all we have.

Grandpa disarmed himself at the orders of the cops.
Grandpa then rearmed himself and pointed a gun at the cops.
Clear case of self defense for the cops according to the version of events by the cops.

Since the family seems to dispute the cops version of events, it would be nice to hear their version.

Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #10)

Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #15)

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
21. Thanks for the translation.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 01:24 AM
Feb 2014

We = everyone but you.

If you have any info that helps with the conversation, please add it. Everyone knows that the story from the cops leaves a lot to be desired.

Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #21)

Response to Logical (Reply #25)

Response to Logical (Reply #28)

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
34. Sorry I missed it.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 02:02 AM
Feb 2014

Post #26 was not that bad, though you might have felt silly after my response to it. No harm done from my perspective.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,365 posts)
35. I feel passionately about this subject.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 02:08 AM
Feb 2014

Abuse by the police has touched very close to home for me.

I do not like the vast majority of police officers because, it is my experience, too many of them are like the officer in question and the distance from smiling officer friendly to beating your head in or shooting you can be measured with a micrometer.

When I am passionate about a subject I get riled up.

When I get riled up, I type things I shouldn't.

I also completely run out of patience for others.

It is at those times I should just close DU and go watch a comedy clip on YouTube.

So here we are.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
36. Passion is good. Riled up, probably not so good.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 02:13 AM
Feb 2014

Been there, done that. I have gotten good at waiting and rereading before I hit the send button when a break is needed.

damnedifIknow

(3,183 posts)
42. I'm the same way
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 05:56 AM
Feb 2014

I just have become sort of numb when it comes to this subject but completely understand where you're coming from.

jsr

(7,712 posts)
11. Hanlon was caught lying in an arrest affidavit:
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 01:08 AM
Feb 2014
http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/01/29/5524097/grand-jury-declines-to-indict.html

Hanlon’s credibility had been questioned because he was fired in October on allegations that he provided false information in an arrest affidavit stemming from a traffic stop Aug. 9.

damnedifIknow

(3,183 posts)
13. More from your link
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 01:13 AM
Feb 2014

But a neighbor, former Councilwoman Becky Haskin, said it’s clear that Hoeppner was not well-trained and that the city “should step up and put some closure on this.”

“Nothing is going to bring Jerry back,” said Haskin, who was among those testifying before the grand jury. “But someone needs to apologize to this family. It’s an accidental death at the hands of an untrained police officer.”

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
40. May I offer an eternal raspberry to that apology...
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 02:27 AM
Feb 2014

.
ThpThpThpthpthpthpthpthpthpthpthpthpthpthpthpthpthpthp to eternity.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
17. Sure he did. Like I am going to believe a pig.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 01:20 AM
Feb 2014

I think someone 'freaked out' and 'lost it', but it was NOT Mr. Waller.

Sadly we will only have the testimony from one person. The other is dead.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
22. Maybe that's one of the reasons it's become such a
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 01:25 AM
Feb 2014

popular act.

"Sadly we will only have the testimony from one person. The other is dead."

MysticHuman

(219 posts)
31. I am at a loss for words....
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 01:48 AM
Feb 2014

What has our country evolved too? I used to trust our police... I can't say that anymore.

Fuck it.... fuck it all...

MH

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