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meegbear

(25,438 posts)
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 01:26 PM Feb 2014

The Rude Pundit: Democrats: Don't Defend the CBO Report; Use It to Attack the GOP

Is this really that hard, Democrats? Really? Here ya go:

The Congressional Budget Office said that the Affordable Care Act will reduce the deficit, allow sick people to stop working and concentrate on getting better, free up jobs for people who are looking for employment, cause a hike in wages for many people, and give people more spending money, which will, in the end, create more jobs.

From page 125 of the CBO report: "On balance, CBO estimates that the ACA will boost overall demand for goods and services over the next few years because the people who will benefit from the expansion of Medicaid and from access to the exchange subsidies are predominantly in lower-income households and thus are likely to spend a considerable fraction of their additional resources on goods and services."

If that's not clear enough, here's page 126: "The expanded federal subsidies for health insurance will stimulate demand for goods and services, and that effect will mostly occur over the next few years. That increase in demand will induce some employers to hire more workers or to increase their employees’ hours during that period."

You got that? This is pretty much high school-level economics. You put a shit ton of money into the economy and you're gonna need some supply for that demand. This effect of the ACA is something that has barely been discussed. As the Rude Pundit has pointed out, especially in states accepting the expansion of Medicaid, we're talking about a stealth stimulus that Obamacare provides. Frankly, it wouldn't be all that surprising if this was a big thing driving the GOP into the incoherent, gorilla rage in which it perpetually exists. Oh, fuck, you mean if you give a few billion dollars out, there might be a larger economic effect?

As for the jobs situation, first off, if there is a decline in the number of people in the workforce and the demand for workers goes up, well, let's see, going back to junior year econ, it looks like that means you'd have to pay workers more.

See, dear, sweet, dumb, easily cowed Americans, employer-provided health insurance was a kind of indentured servitude. You had to stay with your job, no matter what, in order to not drown in medical debt or to take care of a preexisting condition that switching jobs and insurance might not cover. How many people do you know who have said, "I'd find another job/quit/start my own business if it wasn't for health insurance"? How many disabled, sick, or close-to-retirement people do you know who should stop working but haven't because they would be shit out of luck on health care? How many parents would like to stay home with their kids, which was once a conservative goal?

The report said that the roughly 2.5 million full-time jobs given up due to a cumulative reduction of hours by employees who choose to work less or not at all because they got on Medicaid or subsidized insurance. There's a good chance that that would free up jobs for people who are seeking them. That's just...fucking humane, isn't it?

And that's gotta drive the capitalists and their congressional lackeys crazy. All of a sudden, a whole lot of workers have choices. Holy fucknuts, that means that the relationship between capital and labor has shifted, ever so little, in favor of labor. What the hell? Haven't we set this whole thing up to dick over workers every chance we can? How the fuck did that slip through? No wonder the right went to DefCon Fast and Furious yesterday (it's just below DefCon Benghazi).

The other thing that's gotta be galling the GOP is that the "risk corridor," which means that insurers making tons of money pay into a pool that gives money to insurers who handle the most at-risk patients, is not a "giveaway" to insurers. It'll actually reduce the deficit: &quot T)he government will pay out $8 billion in risk subsidies to the insurers but collect $16 billion. Real-world math says this is a gain to the Treasury of $8 billion; GOP math says it's a 'bailout.' You be the judge."

Republicans' way to deal with that is hilarious. Hypocrisy, motherfuckers. Just say "Man, fuck that CBO report" a few hours after you said, "Man, this CBO report is awesomeness embodied." Which is exactly what Senator Orrin Hatch did yesterday.

Democrats, you can beat Republicans unconscious with this CBO report and piss on them. Then you can toss their statements at them and say, "Wipe your pissed-on asses off with this."

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The Rude Pundit: Democrats: Don't Defend the CBO Report; Use It to Attack the GOP (Original Post) meegbear Feb 2014 OP
but that would upset conservatives, and we can't do that phantom power Feb 2014 #1
Rude Pundit, trying to make your points now will mean the mass media will have to admit Fred Sanders Feb 2014 #2
Damn, I love the rude one. Control-Z Feb 2014 #3
I agree with him an awful lot, too. Makes me wish he was President. LuvNewcastle Feb 2014 #4
Tell them Rudie malaise Feb 2014 #5
Hell . . . Metro135 Feb 2014 #11
I always thought The Rude One on O'Reilly's program would be entertaining to hear and see. adirondacker Feb 2014 #14
Bwaaaaaaaaaah malaise Feb 2014 #15
Bwahahahahahaha! Yeah, that'll happen. Scuba Feb 2014 #6
k and r Berlum Feb 2014 #7
It's sad Madmiddle Feb 2014 #8
huge kick crazylikafox Feb 2014 #9
I was going to post something similar but the Rude One beat me to it. kentuck Feb 2014 #10
How much money would have to be raised to have RP read this on TV during prime time? Certainly a wiggs Feb 2014 #12
Same logic behind lowering the retirement age. . . rickyhall Feb 2014 #13
Default position for Democrats is always cowering defensiveness ZX86 Feb 2014 #16
See? That's the problem there ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #17
"See, dear, sweet, dumb, easily cowed Americans..." WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #18
No fair comparing Republicans to gorillas nxylas Feb 2014 #19

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
2. Rude Pundit, trying to make your points now will mean the mass media will have to admit
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 01:54 PM
Feb 2014

that they have no idea how to do their jobs, unless their jobs IS to sow lies and doom and gloom.

They seem to live in fear of Republicans but they have no problem distorting the realities and attacking Democrats and attacking a CBO report that says in clear bold ink the opposite of what they all parrot.

Los Angeles Times' Pulitzer Prize-winning Michael Hiltzik Shoots Down Republicans On CBO Report is the information they will dare not mention without mentioning the Republican "take" in the same hypocritical breath.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
3. Damn, I love the rude one.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 01:57 PM
Feb 2014

He nails it perfectly pretty much every time. I can't remember the last time he got it wrong.

LuvNewcastle

(16,835 posts)
4. I agree with him an awful lot, too. Makes me wish he was President.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 02:08 PM
Feb 2014

A lot of Americans would suddenly get interested in politics if he was President. People would be tuning in to watch press conferences!

adirondacker

(2,921 posts)
14. I always thought The Rude One on O'Reilly's program would be entertaining to hear and see.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 03:36 PM
Feb 2014

Of course, with the caveat that Billo wouldn't have the ability to cut off his mic.

kentuck

(111,053 posts)
10. I was going to post something similar but the Rude One beat me to it.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 03:08 PM
Feb 2014


"employer-provided health insurance was a kind of indentured servitude" Indeed!

People with a brain will figure this out, I hope. If 2 million people drop out of the job market, that does not mean that those jobs will not be filled elsewhere. Perhaps by younger workers or perhaps by long-term unemployed?

Or are the Repubs saying that businesses will not fill those lost positions at all? As if they have all these extra workers on their payroll out of the goodness of their heart?

This is a gain for labor, albeit very small. We should celebrate this part of the ACA even if we disagree with the rest of it.

wiggs

(7,810 posts)
12. How much money would have to be raised to have RP read this on TV during prime time? Certainly a
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 03:18 PM
Feb 2014

HELL of a lot less than is being spent on commercials, pundit pay, govt commercials, etc. Let's cut to the chase and get someone in front of the cameras who is willing to tell it like it is without dancing around.

ZX86

(1,428 posts)
16. Default position for Democrats is always cowering defensiveness
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 03:59 PM
Feb 2014

Examples:

Dean scream - Completely made up controversy. Yelling at a political rally is like laughing at a comedy club or crying at a funeral. And even if it wasn't you don't let those bastards see you sweat. Democrats couldn't embrace the framing of a blithering idiot like Sean Hannity fast enough.

Bernard Shaw/ Dukakis - Shaw during a Presidential debate asks Dukakis a public policy question that includes the brutal rape of his wife. Dukakis should have lit into him. Instead of the mealy mouthed answer he provided it should have went like this, "How dare you ask me a question that includes my wife being raped? You consider yourself journalist and you can't frame a question better than that? I suggest you learn to ask questions that doesn't demean me, my family, your news organization and yourself. Keep your sick sexually perverted questions to yourself!"

Al Gore - He could have broke the vote in the Senate regarding his election bid but he didn't want to seem petty. Like it was about him personally. No it was about the people who voted for certain policies. His "Thank you sir, may I have another?" attitude through out the whole ordeal was sickening.

There are a million other examples but these jump out at me because the stakes were so high Democrats failed spectacularly.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
17. See? That's the problem there ...
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 04:00 PM
Feb 2014
From page 125 of the CBO report ...


And,

If that's not clear enough, here's page 126


Now you know good and darned well the media, let alone We D. People, are going to read through 125 pages ... That more characters than tweet allows.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
18. "See, dear, sweet, dumb, easily cowed Americans..."
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 04:21 PM
Feb 2014

I see it on DU: "Can't promote legalization because it will upset Republicans! Can't do X because Republicans Y!" Screw that.

Rude, Morford and Pierce -- love those guys and their mighty pens.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
19. No fair comparing Republicans to gorillas
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 04:57 PM
Feb 2014

Gorillas are peaceable, social creatures that only attack when threatened.

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