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octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 04:47 PM Feb 2014

Dems introduce plan for public financing of campaigns

Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives introduced legislation to create a voluntary public financing system for House candidates Wednesday in an attempt to “combat the influence of big-money politics.”

Rep. John Sarbanes, D-Md., introduced the bill, titled the “Government by the People Act.” The legislation has more than 100 co-sponsors including House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.The proposal will “make the voices of everyday citizens as important as the big donors out there,” Sarbanes said Wednesday at a press conference in Washington, D.C.

Under his plan, when politicians receive donations of $150 or less, that money would be matched at a 6-to-1 ratio. Individual contributors would also be eligible for a $25 tax credit.Sarbanes told the Center for Public Integrity the matching fund would be paid for closing tax loopholes affecting “industries that have all this influence.”

Doing so, he continued, would allow you to “underwrite a system like this for 50 years.”To qualify, candidates must agree to accept no more than $1,000 per donor and raise at least 50 percent of their donations from in-state contributors. (The plan would not match any portion of donations larger than $150.)

http://www.publicintegrity.org/2014/02/06/14216/dems-introduce-plan-public-financing-campaigns?utm_source=email&utm_campaign=watchdog&utm_medium=publici-email





Thank you for trying, Rep. Sarbanes!

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Dems introduce plan for public financing of campaigns (Original Post) octoberlib Feb 2014 OP
We need to retake the hosue and reintroduce this bill in the next Congress. n/t Agnosticsherbet Feb 2014 #1
Agree. nt octoberlib Feb 2014 #4
I just don't trust that they would reintroduce it even if we gave them the House and Senate. liberal_at_heart Feb 2014 #5
it should have come up as soon as they retook the house and Senate and been on Obama s desk when he yurbud Feb 2014 #40
I hate that I can't trust this. I would like to be able to trust this but the way these liberal_at_heart Feb 2014 #2
The Republicans will never pass this. The only Repub sponsor is octoberlib Feb 2014 #3
I hate to say it... but I agree. This is all show-boating. Veilex Feb 2014 #42
If there is that kind of extra tax money laying around seveneyes Feb 2014 #6
Follow them on twitter: @OfByUs Triana Feb 2014 #7
How does this stop the Kochs? It adds a little balance, and is a good thing, but ... Scuba Feb 2014 #8
+1 liberal_at_heart Feb 2014 #9
Are you familiar with Lawrence Lessig? He's the lawyer who invented the Creative Commons. He's octoberlib Feb 2014 #11
Yes. I like Lessig's idea of giving each eligible voter a voucher for campaign donations. ... Scuba Feb 2014 #13
I think that shortening campaigns by law would work better. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #19
"No political advertising of any kind for any political office". Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #22
Of course. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #24
How about a movie? After all, it was "Hillary: The Movie" that drove the Citizens United case. Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #25
I said, no political campaigning. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #26
Ah, so you are not addressing the super-PACs and Citizens United. Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #27
What do you suggest? What we have now isn't working. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #28
Here is a constitutional amendment that would achieve what many DUers want: Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #29
what a strawman n/t deacon_sephiroth Feb 2014 #31
Such an amendment would allow Congress to limit how much Charles Koch spends to influence elections. Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #33
I don't think the knuckhead teabaggers care if there is disclosure mdbl Feb 2014 #36
I agree 100%. loudsue Feb 2014 #15
K&R PotatoChip Feb 2014 #10
Not far enough. Madam Mossfern Feb 2014 #12
In your system would someone be allowed to publish a book that criticized a presidential candidate Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #23
Better idea. Limit campaign expenditures. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #14
Please see my post #13. Scuba Feb 2014 #16
Althought I appreciate your ideas Madam Mossfern Feb 2014 #17
I absolutely agree. Scuba Feb 2014 #18
Good CallmeJoe Feb 2014 #20
I don't think it really combats the influence of big-money politics LWolf Feb 2014 #21
bingo Madam Mossfern Feb 2014 #32
KNR DirkGently Feb 2014 #30
It's a start! But not far enough! vkkv Feb 2014 #34
K & R because the corporate media will avoid mention of this ad profit killling bill like the plague Fred Sanders Feb 2014 #35
Dreadful plan. We need LESS campaign money overall, not more. reformist2 Feb 2014 #37
"voluntary" OFFS ...we aren't that stupid L0oniX Feb 2014 #38
wow. I just opened the link and read it. I will never support voluntary campaign reform. liberal_at_heart Feb 2014 #39
K&R!!! Just the fact that they took this step is a beginning! Dustlawyer Feb 2014 #41
Mandatory bl968 Feb 2014 #43
John Sarbanes deserves our admiration. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #44

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
5. I just don't trust that they would reintroduce it even if we gave them the House and Senate.
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 05:09 PM
Feb 2014

If they wanted me to believe this is something they were truly going to fight for they should have been fighting for this from the beginning, not just at election time.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
40. it should have come up as soon as they retook the house and Senate and been on Obama s desk when he
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 09:38 PM
Feb 2014

Democrats can be wonderfully progressive when they know their proposals can't go anywhere and oddly "centrist" when they could actually pad those progressive policies

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
2. I hate that I can't trust this. I would like to be able to trust this but the way these
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 04:52 PM
Feb 2014

politicians do business, I just can't trust it. Why didn't they bring this up sooner? Why wait until election time? Will this be just another broken election promise? I would love to see it happen, and I hope it does. But they better not be expecting my vote just because they bring a bill up at election time that they may or may not even intend on passing.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
3. The Republicans will never pass this. The only Repub sponsor is
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 05:00 PM
Feb 2014

Walter Jones of NC. They might just be trying to look like they're doing something in an election year, but there is a movement afoot in Washington to tackle campaign finance reform. Mother Jones reported on a private meeting that was held a couple months ago including Pelosi and a bunch of other Dems.

 

Veilex

(1,555 posts)
42. I hate to say it... but I agree. This is all show-boating.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 02:10 AM
Feb 2014

Its very easy to find something that the base would love to have pass, but will never see the light of day, and use it as a way to drum up support for election season... then they can use it again some other year when election season comes around again.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
6. If there is that kind of extra tax money laying around
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 05:11 PM
Feb 2014

Why is it not being used now to feed and house the people that have been hurt by this recession?

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
8. How does this stop the Kochs? It adds a little balance, and is a good thing, but ...
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 05:55 PM
Feb 2014

... it seems like we need a Constitutional Amendment to stop the exquisitely wealthy from spending what they want.

While I support this bill, we should not lose focus on the need for an Amendment that addresses the SCOTUS-given right of a few wealthy men to outspend all the rest of us, even with a 6-fold boost.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
11. Are you familiar with Lawrence Lessig? He's the lawyer who invented the Creative Commons. He's
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 07:24 PM
Feb 2014

involved in ccfr now .

But we citizens need to recognize that the problem with America’s democracy is not just some recent Supreme Court decisions. The problem with America’s democracy is America’s democracy. The problem is the Skinner box that candidates for Congress must live within just to raise the money they need to run their campaigns. That Skinner box is the corruption. And whatever the virtues in declaring that corporations are not persons, that declaration will not liberate Congress from the box.

“But what about the SuperPACs? Even if we had ‘citizen-funded elections,’ won’t SuperPACs continue to dominate the system? And won’t the 1% simply turn to them to find a way to exert their influence?” There’s no doubt that Citizens United unleashed a series of decisions by courts and the Federal Election Commission (FEC) that have created a new, and even more virulent instance of precisely the corruption I’ve described. Before Citizens United, Members were dependent upon the Funders to fund their campaigns. After Citizens United, members of Congress are dependent upon the Funders to fund their SuperPACs too. Not technically “their” SuperPACs, of course, because the whole idea of SuperPACs is that they are “independent” of the candidates (and if you believe that, then ...). But whether they have “their SuperPAC” or not, candidates for Congress must now inspire the 1% to contribute to their campaign, and to these independent groups too.
The incentives here are truly invidious. As former Senator Evan Bayh (D-IN) once described it to a television reporter, every incumbent
in D.C. is now terrified that 30 days before an election, some SuperPAC will drop $ 1 million in ads against him or her. That fear inspires a logical response: Incumbents seek to secure a kind of SuperPAC insurance — a guarantee that if they are attacked, an equal but opposite response will be launched. But because the incumbents can’t simply turn to their own largest contributors (by definition, these contributors have maxed out), the incumbents must secure that insurance by finding a SuperPAC on their side, which has a strong enough reason to intervene to support that incumbent. And all this security has to be in place long before there is an attack. So the incumbent needs to cement the loyalty of this potentially friendly SuperPAC, in just the way SuperPACs like — by voting according to the views supported by the Funders of the SuperPAC.

This is the economics of a protection racket. Long before even a single dollar is spent, the very threat that dollars will be spent has changed the behavior of the government in power. And in this obvious dynamic, the dependence of Congress upon the Funders has been radically increased.
So of course I agree that Citizens United is a real problem. And it may well be that we need to amend the Constitution to deal with that real problem. But (1) even if we do, that doesn’t change the strategy that we should be following right now. And (2) in any case, I’m not yet convinced that we will in fact have to amend the Constitution to deal with Citizens United. (1) The need to amend the Constitution eventually doesn’t change the strategy now, because the only way we will ever have the political support in Congress to defend an election system of integrity is if we have a Congress chosen through an election system of integrity. We need, in other words, to change the way Congress’s elections are funded, if we’re to have any chance of achieving the supermajority support that we’d need to change the way the Constitution has been interpreted. The first step to changing the Constitution is to change Congress. But more important, (2) it’s not even clear that we need to change the Constitution to deal with Citizens United.


First, citizen funding may be enough. As the nonprofit Dēmos puts it, If candidates for federal office were mostly raising money in small contributions from average citizens, and if outside spending groups were organizing these average citizens to give them a louder voice in the political process, the sheer volume of money raised and spent might not present such a troubling problem. Even with SuperPACs, this tactic may give members of Congress enough independence to do the right (according to their constituents’ view) thing. And that would mean we could ignore this ignoble decision, and get on with the project of doing government well.


Lessig, Lawrence (2013-04-03). Lesterland: The Corruption of Congress and How to End It (TED Books) (Kindle Locations 515-516). TED Conferences. Kindle Edition.







 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
13. Yes. I like Lessig's idea of giving each eligible voter a voucher for campaign donations. ...
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 07:52 PM
Feb 2014

The vouchers could be used any way the voter wanted - given to a single candidate, or divided among many. Pooled with other vouchers (think Unions) or tossed in the trash.

But that would be all the money that would be allowed for campaigning, period. For those who claim this would deny them their right to free speech (e.g., spending their own money) I would argue that they would have exactly the same amount of free speech as every other citizen.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
19. I think that shortening campaigns by law would work better.
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 10:20 PM
Feb 2014

Say, 6 weeks prior to the election. Before that, no political advertising of any kind for any political office. Ideally, a parliamentary system in which multiple parties present their platforms to the public in debates only.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
22. "No political advertising of any kind for any political office".
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 10:36 PM
Feb 2014

Would you allow the publication of a book that criticized a presidential candidate two months prior to the election?

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
25. How about a movie? After all, it was "Hillary: The Movie" that drove the Citizens United case.
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 01:45 AM
Feb 2014

And if you would not allow the movie, how do you justify allowing a book but not a movie? What if it was an ebook? An audiotape of an ebook? A downloadable podcast of the audiobook?

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
27. Ah, so you are not addressing the super-PACs and Citizens United.
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 01:50 AM
Feb 2014

Because these are about independent expenditures.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
28. What do you suggest? What we have now isn't working.
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 03:15 AM
Feb 2014

And, pumping the parties and candidates full of money isn't going to work.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
29. Here is a constitutional amendment that would achieve what many DUers want:
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 03:18 AM
Feb 2014

Insofar as it relates to freedom of speech, the First Amendment to this Constitution shall not apply to speech that refers to candidates in Federal or State elections, within the six month period prior to such elections.

Personally, I prefer the ACLU approach of increased disclosure rather than limiting free speech.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
33. Such an amendment would allow Congress to limit how much Charles Koch spends to influence elections.
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 01:56 PM
Feb 2014

What's your proposal, and does your proposal achieve a similar outcome?

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
36. I don't think the knuckhead teabaggers care if there is disclosure
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 06:46 PM
Feb 2014

They obviously don't care how much someone spends on a candidate, who spent it, or where the money came from. They only believe the BS they hear on Fux Nooze or Mush Lumpballs.

Madam Mossfern

(2,340 posts)
12. Not far enough.
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 07:51 PM
Feb 2014

I support totally public financed campaigns. People would just check off a box on their taxes that would contribute a certain amount of money to be put into the kitty, and candidates get the equal amounts to spend on their campaigns. This takes away all special influence and we'll be able to see who makes the best use of their money.

I know it's pie in the sky, but the amount of money spent on political campaigns is obscene.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
23. In your system would someone be allowed to publish a book that criticized a presidential candidate
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 10:39 PM
Feb 2014

during the run up to an election? Would the cost of publishing the book count as a campaign contribution to the opposing candidate?

Madam Mossfern

(2,340 posts)
32. bingo
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 01:41 PM
Feb 2014

It has to be mandatory and policy.

As far as someone writing a book.....do we really have to worry about the right-wing reading?
Honestly, how many books can be published and read in any election cycle, and those most likely to purchase or read such books are already of the same mind as the author.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
34. It's a start! But not far enough!
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 02:53 PM
Feb 2014

A true democracy needs an informed voter, a voter who also knows who is funding the person that they plan to vote for and who's funding the other side as well. It is plainly obvious that politicians need to grease the wheels that are going to get them election funding, and guess what; that is not you and me.

Unless the voters here in the U.S. demand PUBLICLY FINANCED ELECTIONS because you know what? We already are paying for the election of who the corporations want in office. The money is paid in the high costs of insurance, education, prisons, crime, pharmaceuticals, energy, food (prices could sky-rocket with thanks to Mansanto) and even war.

MAKE THE POLITICIANS ACCOUNTABLE TO YOU AND ME WITH PUBLICLY FINANCED ELECTIONS THAT HAVE SPENDING LIMITS.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
39. wow. I just opened the link and read it. I will never support voluntary campaign reform.
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 08:36 PM
Feb 2014

Thanks for posting that. That just proves that this is nothing more than election rhetoric.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
41. K&R!!! Just the fact that they took this step is a beginning!
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 09:45 PM
Feb 2014

It will be fun watching the Republicans and the bought off Dems twist themselves into pretzels!

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