Like it or not, Glenn Greenwald is actually a bigot who is against immigration

[Cali_Democrat]

Greenwald's own words:

And yet few problems are more pressing. Over the past several years, illegal immigrants have poured into the United States by the millions. The wave of illegals entering the country is steadily increasing. The people living in the border states of California, Texas, Arizona and New Mexico know this flow has to be drastically slowed and then halted. The situation is so dire in that region that the Democratic Governors of Arizona and New Mexico were forced to declare States of Emergency as a result of the flow of illegals into their states and the resulting, massive problems which it brings.

The parade of evils caused by illegal immigration is widely known, and it gets worse every day. In short, illegal immigration wreaks havoc economically, socially, and culturally; makes a mockery of the rule of law; and is disgraceful just on basic fairness grounds alone. Few people dispute this, and yet nothing is done.

SNIP......


But one of the most disturbing and destructive aspects of illegal immigration is that it is illegal. Indeed, that is the precise attribute which separates good immigration from bad immigration. Why should Republicans, or anyone, shy away from pointing out that illegal immigration, among its many evils, is “illegal”? That is just absurd. Moreover, it is precisely the fact that illegal immigrants enter the country illegally that spawns justifiable resentment, not only among large clusters of middle-of-the-road voters, but also among the very legal immigrant population about which Sanchez is so concerned. Emphasizing the "illegal" part of this problem is what Republicans need to do more of, not less.

SNIP..

The real irony here is that the problem of illegal immigration is actually one of the very few of the ever-dwindling number of issues that has the opportunity to forge common ground among factions of voters which are, these days, engaged in a ceaseless war with each other. Being worried, and outraged, about illegal immigration is not confined to the extreme precincts of conservatism. Middle-class suburban voters whose primary concerns are local and pragmatic, rather than ideological, know the danger which illegal immigration poses to their communities and to their states, and they want something done about it.


http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2005/11/gop-fights-itself-on-illegal.html

Oh...did you know he also defended a white supremacist?

Glenn Greenwald Unethically Taped Witnesses While Working for Matt Hale, White Supremacist.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002101211

Greenwald is a bigot.

[Puzzledtraveller]

1. like it

[Aerows]

10. OMG a guilt by association attack?

I tremble in fear that someone, somewhere ever had an objectionable thought, and that automatically dilutes anything they have to say in the public discourse.

My goodness, he isn't a miracle worker or a candidate for sainthood, so how can you listen to THAT GUY?

(even worse, he makes the guy I regularly beatify look bad. That should be excommunication from the Democratic party and the "good guys" party, right there.)

[rgbecker]

103. This, from Willyt> Seems he has changed his mind, like it or not.

Saturday, November 19, 2005
The GOP fights itself on Illegal Immigration

GG note: This post was written in 2005, one month after I began blogging. It was recently dug up by some Obama cultists trying to discredit my criticisms of the President (to understand what I mean by "Obama cultists," see this 2006 post I wrote about Bush cultists: exactly the same mentality). http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/02/do-bush-followers-have-political.html As my subsequent writing reflects over the next many years, this post does not remotely reflect my views on immigration. My response to someone who recently asked about it is here:



That was a 6 yrs ago: 3 weeks after I began blogging, when I had zero readers. I've discussed many times before how there were many uninformed things I believed back then, before I focused on politics full-time - due to uncritically ingesting conventional wisdom, propaganda, etc. I've written many times since then about how immigrants are exploited by the Right for fear-mongering purposes. I'm 100% in favor of amnesty, think defeat of the DREAM Act was an act of evil, etc. That said, I do think illegal immigration is a serious problem: having millions of people live without legal rights; having a legal scheme that is so pervasively disregarded breeds contempt for the rule of law; virtually every country - not just the U.S. insists on border control because having a manageable immigration process is vital on multiple levels. But that post is something I wrote literally a few weeks after I began blogging when nobody was reading my blog; it was anything but thoughtful, contemplative, and informed, and - like so many things I thought were true then - has nothing to do with what I believe now.


That's why Obama cultists have to dig back 6 years into my archives to try to find things to discredit me.

<snip>

Link: http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2005/11/gop-fights-itself-on-illegal.html

[msanthrope]

2. You know...the irony is that GG's fuckup caused the white supremacist to lose the Anti-Klan case. n

[Aerows]

17. You are smarter than this

We all have things we chime in on, but you are smarter than this, MsAnthrope. Your name tells me you are.

[msanthrope]

59. My dear...I completely documented his fuck up...

not only in the thread referenced above but here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3046099

Greenwald fucked up a privilege rule. as a result the plaintiffs were able to obtain privilege material and Hale settled.

[Aerows]

66. And you should review the whole discussion.

Again, you are too educated for this kind of low attack.

[msanthrope]

112. I'm still waiting for you to refute the facts. nt

[Aerows]

142. That makes two of us. n/t

[Tarheel_Dem]

3. "Glenn Greenwald Unethically Taped Witnesses While Working for Matt Hale, White Supremacist."

Is this why he no longer practices law in THIS country?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

6. You need to stay out of theeads on racism, given the sick things you've said

[Tarheel_Dem]

8. And you need to mind your own....! Your defense of GG has a very obvious & sickly bias.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

22. "Latin America is but a cyst on the anus of the world"--Tarheel_Dem, 7/5/2013

I'm tending to my business right this minute. Your filth is not acceptable. You own the words, and you own the hate. Work on purging your own racism before hypocritically calling someone else out. You have no standing.

[Tarheel_Dem]

34. Not that it matters, but my reference was to Latin American leaders, not the people. But, hey...

why don't write a LTTE? Or better yet, call Skinner?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

57. Because I'm using the opportunity to tell you directly.

I have no need of advice from you. If your reference was to the liberal leaders in Latin America, you should have said so. Then you'd just be a right-winger and not so much a racist. But that's not what you said, and yes, it does matter. Do you have any idea what most of us would call a Republican who said such a thing? I think you do. But for some non-intuitive reason, you're not called that, because you're a "good Democrat".

[Tarheel_Dem]

62. Fuck Latin America's lame ass leaders who blame the US for all their woes. If that's "Republican",

then count me as guilty. The one thing we can both agree on, is that WE "have no need of advice" from one another. Perhaps the next time you see my name, you can resist the urge to respond, or place me on Ignore?

[Aerows]

69. Let me call in the backhoe

because obviously the shovel isn't digging the hole deep enough for this one.

[think]

127. Apparently US involvement in Latin American history wasn't on the OP's shortlist

During their educational endeavors......

[Aerows]

129. All are standing tall, though

Last edited Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:21 AM - Edit history (1)

Which makes this even more ludicrous.

This is disgusting. If I was on a right wing site, I could understand, but this kind of racism on DU? Never thought it would happen.

[frwrfpos]

157. the hate and RW rhetoric from that one is strong

ive been seeing a lot of from many members here..this site and unfortunately the Democratic Party has been infiltrated and infested for some time. and it seems to ok with this sites admins. tells us all significantly whats been going on and how thoroughly the infiltration is.

take from that what you will

[Aerows]

159. I will, and I do

This is really rather shocking, disgusting and horrid.

I never thought my party would put up with this kind of nonsense.

[NuclearDem]

93. Coup after coup after dictator after dictator after terror squad,

and you still don't think Latin America has a few reasons to hate the US?

You got some imperialism in your racism.

[Aerows]

130. It's only racism. n/t

[davidpdx]

137. I love how people call people out and then alert a post

What a weasely way to go about arguing.

On Fri Feb 7, 2014, 09:32 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Fuck Latin America's lame ass leaders who blame the US for all their woes. If that's "Republican",
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4461024

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Repeated abuse toward Latin Americans.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Feb 7, 2014, 09:43 PM, and the Jury voted 3-3 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This one is a no brainer. The alerter who started it by slamming Tarheel should take his advice and keep their mouth shut instead of calling out the person under false pretenses (See Post#22).
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Give me a break. This was alerted on to stifle any
further discussion IMO, and as such is a childish way to end an argument. LEAVE IT

The three people who voted to hide didn't even bother to say why. I bet they also didn't bother to look at the context of the conversation.

[Aerows]

143. Oh my.

Nevermind. I'll just stick with "OH my".

[bvar22]

199. I'm glad the post wasn't hidden.

#1- Everybody pushes "View Post" anyway,
so Alerting is an exercise in futility.

But #2- I WANT this persons comments visible in all their "glory" for everyone to read and associate with his/her Screen Name,
and also the Screen Names of those who support this kind of bullshit.
You can go back up top,
and view the Screen names of those who recommend this by pressing the "Thread Info" button.

I wish this entire thread was at the top of the Greatest List
so EVERYBODY could view this shameful display,
and KNOW exactly what we are dealing with here.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant,
and EXPOSURE is the best remedy.

Though you will NEVER get this handful of willful distorters to ever admit an error,
the vast majority of those who read this thread are smart enough to see through this kind of
divisive propaganda, and are clever enough to recognize pathetic weaseling when they see it.
It is for those readers that I post my comments in this thread.

[reddread]

215. Hear, here!

thats exactly right. People think they can banish racism by eliminating words from everyday use.
The skulking menace of shadowy racism is much more dangerous than open practice.
I have never felt the sort of weight it brings to a society as I have doing time in Kentucky.
and not from those polite, educated white folks in Lexington.
From the black population I have encountered, ever so tangentially.
Im OK with the subtle aura of dislike, I understand, now.
I am not OK with the historical and contemporary causes.
Racism and classism are the top symptoms of our sociopathy, and trying to cover it up is
exacerbating the problem. Sometimes the objections and name calling can seem to go over the top
compared to the everyday practice of nationalistic hatreds, which seem so mundane.
You and everyone else who rejects this poison are correct in questioning its proximity to a Democratic Party discussion.
If not here and now, when?

[bvar22]

195. I really like & support THIS "lame ass leader" in Latin America:

President Evo Morales

[font size=3]"The worst enemy of humanity is U.S. capitalism. That is what provokes uprisings like our own, a rebellion against a system, against a neoliberal model, which is the representation of a savage capitalism. If the entire world doesn't acknowledge this reality, that nation states are not providing even minimally for health, education and nourishment, then each day the most fundamental human rights are being violated."[/font]
----Bolivian Reform President Evo Morales

FDR said much the same thing in 1944 with his Economic Bill of Rights,
so the concept is not that radical.

Our neighbors in Latin America have managed to take their governments from the hands of the 1%
through near bloodless Ballot Box Revolutions.
The have diverted a percentage of Corporate Profits to:
*Heal the Sick

*Feed the Hungry

*Educate the ignorant

*Shelter the homeless

...I can see why you hate them so much!


I pray these populist reforms will immigrate to El Norte!
VIVA Democracy!

..and shame on you for that boorish, crude comment.
You CAN go back and edit it,
or post a retraction,
or be known for it on D.
You weaseling upthread was ineffective.

[NutmegYankee]

216. Read "What Uncle Sam Really Wants" by Noam Chomsky

And get educated.


Here's a link: http://www.abebooks.com/What-Uncle-Sam-Wants-Real-Story/12078747279/bd?cm_mmc=gmc-_-gmc-_-PLA-_-v01

[Puglover]

65. ROFL!

"Perhaps the next time you see my name, you can resist the urge to respond, or place me on Ignore?"

IOW Quit pointing out my on the record bigoted screeds.

To coop a BOG favorite.

[LanternWaste]

98. The only thing worse than racist remarks is attempting to rationalize racist remarks.

About the only thing worse than racist remarks is attempting to rationalize racist remarks. Or maybe the speaker has evolved since then...

[bvar22]

196. Nope. He Doubled Down, to my delight.

See Upthread. ^

[Aerows]

225. Probably not

But we can always hope.

[Puglover]

54. "I was referring to their leaders"

That's a new one.

[QC]

56. Any port in a storm. n/t

[DisgustipatedinCA]

58. Yeah, I liked that one--'I'm not a racist, I just hate the liberals in charge'. nt

[Puglover]

60. Speaking of I got to see Presidente Correa

a few days ago in small town here in Ecuador. I should have given him this "posters" greetings. LOL

[okaawhatever]

72. Are you a fan of Correa? He concerns me. I know he's widely popular, but I really questioned some of

his earlier moves, especially regarding reporters and media outlets.

[Puglover]

76. I am a fan.

He is wildly popular here. And the PTB just like the bankers and the Koch brothers in the US are out to get him.

However unlike in the US News Models cannot spout lies 24 in 7 via whatever media outlet they have available. We have strict libel laws here.

And 90 percent of Ecuadorians like it. Oh and not that I count but so do I.

[babylonsister]

151. I had no

idea you lived in Ecuador. I'm so jealous!

[Puglover]

171. If you like Springtime

it is Paradise. 70-75 everyday. 50 at night. The only downside (and it bugs me) is the days are always 12 hours long.

[babylonsister]

173. How long

have you lived there? And yes, springtime year round sounds delightful! And I guess you can get lots accomplished with so much daylight, or get sunproof curtains?!

[Puglover]

175. We bought our lot in 2009 and built our home in 2012.

Lived here off and on since then. Moving down permanently between July and Oct.

I live outside Otavalo between Mt Imbabura and Mt Cotacachi. It is stunning. The people are gentle and kind. Thus my very strong reaction when someone refers to it as "a boil on the anus on the world."



I took this out my back door yesterday.

What I meant about the day length I wish it were a bit longer everyday.

[babylonsister]

180. GASP!

You are one lucky duck there; that is so stunning!

And lots of people around here have no idea what they're talking about. Obviously. You have every right to defend your new home; I've never been, but it's on my bucket list, and now you've inspired my curiosity, so thanks for that!

[Puglover]

184. This will put it even higher on your list. Enjoy!

[cbayer]

168. You are in Ecuador now?

I'm in Mexico and may be heading that way. What are your future plans?

[Puglover]

170. Going back to US tomorrow.

Packing up house and moving here permanently sometime in the next 12 months. Selling the house up north.

The packing part is quite daunting.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

15. such as what?

[Electric Monk]

19. such as "Latin America is but a cyst on the anus of the world." and

DU is just DUmping ground for malcontents

Latin America is but a cyst on the anus of the world.

It's pretty hard to take anything they say seriously after reading those.

[Tarheel_Dem]

38. They were alerted on, and both allowed to stand.

[Aerows]

40. Well that's something for DU to be proud of. n/t

[Pretzel_Warrior]

92. good point. I may have to reevaluate Tarheel. Especially with the wording choice of

DUmping ground. Only a few I know of who would refer to DU as DUmp. hmmmm......

and writing off a whole segment of the globe because we don't like the leaders in certai countries?

[davidpdx]

135. Nice call out

Stay classy!

[Aerows]

152. Stepping up to the plate

and using a person's own words is class.

If a person cannot defend themself against the things they say themselves, perhaps it is time to re-evaluate.

I'm not perfect, I've said stupid things and apologized for them.

[davidpdx]

167. When you bait someone then turn around and alert on them

It's a pretty classless move. I guess you like those kind of tactics.

[Aerows]

189. I never was part of the original conversation

The Original conversation where he called Latin America a cyst on the Anus of the World.

Yet somehow I baited him into saying such things? Wow. I guess I need to be on the lookout for other things I've done, like preventing California from getting rain due to my omnipotence.

[Puglover]

172. Yeah almost as classy defending a racist slur against a whole continent.

Where I happen to live. Oh wait "It was against our leaders" None of whom have any reason to distrust the US.

Classy. Right back at you pal.

[QC]

185. That continent never really loved him!!!

[Aerows]

191. I can't believe any of this was allowed to stand

Xenophobia getting a pass is ridiculous. I would have thought by now this shithole of a sub-thread would have gotten shut down.

[Number23]

139. Damn, I thought the thread was about GG defending a white supremacist. Who knew it was

about YOU???!!

I wonder if the Zimmerman apologists are held to nearly the same "high" standards around here as you are? Or the MYRIAD posters that deny or derail every thread about white privilege? Or the ones that accuse black posters of not caring about black disenfranchisement because they dared to simply ask if legalizing marijuana was high on the list of the president's priorities? Or the posters that deliberately stalk, bully and harass the handful of black posters that still post here causing many of us to simply leave?

What do you think?

[Aerows]

154. Hey, of course it is perfectly fine

if someone is racist.

[Number23]

165. As is apparently running up and down and thread posting to every single person that posts

within it. Even if you don't have anything articulate or remotely interesting to actually say.

[Aerows]

166. I'm sorry

What?

[BlueCaliDem]

181. GG-apologists/fans are feverishly posting to distract from Greenwald's

clear and documented bigotry. Libertarians defend Libertarians as if there's no tomorrow - and that, on a Democratic Party supporting site. It just underscores for me that they're truly arrogant and conceited enough to believe that they, and no one else, are the exclusive heirs to the "Liberal" label when they couldn't be more wrong. But they know that, too. They just hope true Liberals don't catch on.

GG gave pResident George W. Bush the benefit of his doubt (almost to a sickening gushing degree like a preteen would swoon for Justin Bieber), but he began viciously attacking President Obama almost right from the get-go. No such "benefit of the doubt" for Obama! Oh heck no.

Of course his doting fans have absolved him of all his proven rightwingerism just because he blogged about his "epiphany" (one that a TRUE Liberal had LONG before Duhbya was crowned president) four years after his 100% support of the most inept president of American history - but that appears good enough for his doting-defenders on DU.

Apparently, Greenwald-defenders believe that the tiniest splinter in President Obama's eye should always, always be magnified by at least a thousand, while the two-by-four in Greenwald's must always, always be pooh-poohed away.

[VanillaRhapsody]

211. Well said!

[BlueCaliDem]

224. Thanks, VR.

I appreciate that.

[dsc]

228. that is blatently dishonest on two levels

First, while a court did criticize his conduct in that case, it also didn't refer him to the bar and no bar pulled or suspended his license for that or any other conduct. Second, you know damn well why he moved it was because or bigoted government refused to recognize his marriage so he couldn't move his spouse to this country like he could have had he married a woman.

[closeupready]

4. Bigoted against ... extraterrestrials?

[TheSarcastinator]

5. Yes, ad hominem attacks are a powerful & effective way to distract

from the actual issue being debated. Keep up the good work, brave internet warrior. Attack that character! Distract & conquer!

On edit: Don't forget to call him a "porn spy" and remind us all about Snowden's ex-girlfriend & garage boxes. Like it or not, the OP is crap.

[UTUSN]

7. Few do ad hominem better than GREENWALD, has eviscerated any critics on the spot

He's got the definition down pat: (Oh, and the "I'm a right-wing libertarian" refers to one of the things he says he's been called, so let's not say *I* am calling him that.)

********QUOTE********


http://ggsidedocs.blogspot.com.br/2013/01/frequently-told-lies-ftls.html

[font size=5]Frequently Told Lies (FTLs)[/font]

by Glenn GREENWALD

.... I'm a right-wing libertarian
Ever since I began writing about politics back in 2005, people have tried to apply pretty much every political [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]label[/FONT] to me. It’s almost always [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]a shorthand method to discredit someone without having to engage the substance[/FONT] of their arguments. It’s the classic [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]ad hominem[/FONT] fallacy: you don’t need to listen to or deal with his arguments because he’s an X. ....

**********UNQUOTE**********

[Tarheel_Dem]

9. Thanks for producing that. His venom filled personal tweets are legendary in their vile content.

[TheSarcastinator]

28. You really do not get it at all

Greenwald's opinions, perspectives and personal history are completely irrelevant to the discussion of NSA spying. Period.

Your cheap attempts at personal smears are sad and inconsequential: you are at best preaching to those who already agree with you.

But hey, carry on still, brave internet warrior. You smear that character all you can. Good luck.

[villager]

33. What do the McCarthy-ites on this board have left but their baldly transparent tactics?

They'd make their ol' Uncle Joe proud!

[Tarheel_Dem]

49. Say Hi for me!

Take a look on Democratic Underground

They have the gov't paid trolls out, trying to limit the outrage & rebellion on there.

If that is the reaction of hard core Dems to the news stories on the NSA, I want to stoke up some more of it.

Lots of traffic on DU.

It's the most popular Dem internet site, except for Huffy Po - where everything meaningful gets censored.

http://www.dailypaul.com/288556/clapper-and-feinstein-get-caught-lying-big-time#comment-3103138

[great white snark]

108. Yup, the Paulites are riled up.

And you're to blame LOL.

Sorry I wasn't around to have your back earlier.

[Tarheel_Dem]

113. I can handle 'em, cuz I can spot 'em from a mile away.

[Hissyspit]

148. So am I one?

[Tarheel_Dem]

205. Quite frankly, I don't give you much thought one way or another.

[Aerows]

227. Ceiling Cat

can see it all . You "Randian" Paulite, you!

[madrchsod]

201. democratic underground is`t the most popular dem site..kos is.

course i wouldn't expect the paul worshipers to know that.

[Mojorabbit]

226. Why in the world are you following Ron Paul's site? It is kind of creepy don't you think?

[Hissyspit]

146. You mean the ones that have continually been misrepresented and taken out of context here?

You know very well why he gets rough on Twitter - because people lie about him and his views.

[Aerows]

158. You are arguing with a person that is so racist

they called Latin America a cyst on the Anus of the earth.

Do you think you will get honest discourse from such a person? I wouldn't hold my breath, but I wish you good luck, hissyspit.

[freshwest]

100. That's repeated almost word for word. Thanks for citing the original.

[Mojorabbit]

223. It gets old doesn't it? nt

[EOTE]

11. Well, now you've convinced me.

I totally think that secret, unwarranted surveillance is awesome now. Now that I think about it, I recall Lee Greenwood saying something about how great freedom is and HE'S an asshole, so fuck freedom too. I just REALLY hope I never find out that David Duke likes ribs, I need SOME kind of enjoyment in my life.

[UTUSN]

20. This is the standard mis-direction: To re-frame any criticism as being advocacy of "Authoritarianism

Speaking for myself, the whole deal is not about NSA, it is FOR ME about SNOWDEN-GREENFELD, the methods, the self-promotion, the running. Separate from the revelations or lack thereof, crimes were committed and damage to our self-defense continues to be done. For the benefit of the argument, let's say that the government apparatus is also culpable, so let all sides be held accountable. Once the revelations (is spying among all nations throughout history really a revelation?) were exposed, the continuation of drip-drip more is not adding to anything except publicity for SNOWDEN-GREENWALD.

Repeating, it's about SNOWDEN-GREENWALD ------------- for me. And their advocates have done the ad hominem thing to us here from Day 1.

[AgingAmerican]

24. lol

nt

[TheSarcastinator]

30. yes, it is all about personal attacks for you and your ilk

Thanks for the clarification but none was really needed.

[villager]

36. "This is the standard mis-direction"

Why yes -- it absolutely is.

[EOTE]

50. Then no one gives a fuck about Snowden and Greenwald.

We DO care about the information that they provided which seems to be leading to actual change.

When we hear detractors of Snowden and Greenwald talking non-stop about shit that has NOTHING to do with the NSA and the information they got out, it's pretty clear to us that the authoritarians are simply trying to shoot the messenger. If people are attacking Snowden and Greenwald for all this shit that has nothing to do with the NSA and they didn't give a fuck about either of them a year ago, I may not be 100% certain that they're authoritarians, just 99% sure or so.

[EOTE]

64. And you DO know that this "drip-drip" is utterly necessary, right?

Without that "drip-drip", we certainly wouldn't be having hearings about any of this. And I'm sure you think the U.S. media is just awesome at its job, but people who have an even basic understanding how "journalism" in this country works know pretty damned well that without this "drip-drip", the story would have been dead in less than a week. But the Snowden haters got to attack that messenger whenever they can.

[UTUSN]

75. you might have saved me a lifetime of introspection since you assume to know me

You.re doing what Greenwald accuses others of in post number 7 quote

[EOTE]

79. I know ill will when I see it.

Amazing how there are just loads of DUers going after Glenn Greenwald when a year or so ago they couldn't have given two fucks. Also amazing how whistleblowers during the Bush administration were awesome and somehow once Obama became president they became assholes. Funny how those things work.

[UTUSN]

104. Amazing and funny how none of your observations apply to me. n/t

[EOTE]

105. Yeah, you're the only Snowden hater here who actually gives a fuck about liberties.

And just happens to be attacking him incessantly for many personal issues which have NOTHING to do with the NSA. Funny how with the many millions, perhaps even billions of assholes on this planet, you and the hate crew go after the two people who are actually exposing the crimes of our government. I know it can feel good to lick a boot or two every now and then but our government really doesn't need any more defenders. They're big enough to handle these things on their own.

[Aerows]

147. "It can feel good to lick a boot or two"

Damn. I couldn't have offered a better rebuttal myself! Cheers, you likely wore out the soles on your shoes kicking that much ass.

[Aerows]

80. More guilt by association tactics?

I *shocked*. *Shocked* I tell you.

[UTUSN]

141. Well *of course* we all know how DEVIOUS I am. AND that *I* am the source

of all the evil in the world AND the universe. That's how I ROLL.

[Aerows]

144. Don't we all? n/t

[alarimer]

245. No you are completely wrong; the issue IS the spying

What do you actually think about the spying that was only revealed by them? We would not have known about it otherwise. Are you okay with it?

I'm not and I don't really give a shit about who exposed it or how.

You people are "butthurt" because it happened under a Democratic administration. If it had happened under Bush, you would be screaming, just like all the other fucking hypocrites on this thread.

Attack the messenger, fine, I could care less. What our government is doing is criminal. It solves nothing, brings no terrorist to justice, but only makes us less secure in our activities. Fuck the NSA. As far as I'm concerned, you and the others ARE authoritarians and hypocrites.

[dionysus]

161. you know, one can be against NSA spying on citizens and think greenwald is a douchebag.

I don't think greenwald is a douchebag because his stories are about the NSA.

I think he's a douchebag because he's a smug jerk.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

12. You are so amusingly predictable.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

13. thanks for keeping the light shining on this particular roach

Glenn Greenwald has his own weather system and satellites in orbit around that giant head of his.

[freshwest]

102. Yes, he's got a pretty big head...

And it's all about him.

[solarhydrocan]

115. You're making someone jealous

[Tarheel_Dem]

14. "Glenn Greenwald, NSA Documents & Checkbook Journalism (Boiling Frogs Post-Sibel Edmonds)"

Actual whistleblowers have some serious questions for GG & Snowie, like what's the big $$$$ all about? The fact that Greenwald has personal control over the flow of information, and is planning to make a mint off of information that should have been made widely available is worth questioning.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017165892

[morningfog]

16. Strange obsession you have with Glenn.

[Tarheel_Dem]

18. Careful Cali_Dem, or you'll stir up the resident Paulites!

Take a look on Democratic Underground

They have the gov't paid trolls out, trying to limit the outrage & rebellion on there.

If that is the reaction of hard core Dems to the news stories on the NSA, I want to stoke up some more of it.

Lots of traffic on DU.

It's the most popular Dem internet site, except for Huffy Po - where everything meaningful gets censored.

http://www.dailypaul.com/288556/clapper-and-feinstein-get-caught-lying-big-time#comment-3103138

[Cali_Democrat]

23. The Paulites tend to flock to threads that expose Greenwald

It's no surprise folks on the Ron Paul forum have an interest in DU.

[Aerows]

26. Check us all for copies of the Fountainhead

and Atlas Shrugged.

We are Libertarians if we criticize policy decisions. Have a book burning - that will at least keep people warm.

[Tarheel_Dem]

42. I don't give a shit what you burn!

[Aerows]

47. LOL

Sensitive are we? Did you feel the burn?

[Tarheel_Dem]

53. You hurt my feewings!

[Aerows]

55. Now you are just being an emoprog. n/t

[progressoid]

61. Paulites?

Dragging out that old canard again?

[freshwest]

106. Tarheel, that train's never late...

Uploaded on Aug 8, 2010

Chris Rock: But you see these weird white guys getting overly patriotic, and they have their fucking flag hats on and their flag drawers and their flag pick-ups.

Chris Rock: I'm American man, I'm American, fuck all these fucking foreigners. I'm American, I'm American!

Chris Rock: And you like, hey, calm the fuck down! And their was a lot of accepted racism when the war started. It was accepted. "I'm American man, I'm American. Fuck all these foreigners!" And that was cool. "I'm American man, I'm American. Fuck the French!" That was cool. "I'm American man, I'm American. Fuck all these Arabs!" And that was cool. Then they went to "I'm American man, I'm American. Fuck all these illegal aliens!" Then I started listening. Cause I know niggas and Jews is next. It's like any day now. That train's never late.


Notice how in action, if not words, the same players didn't mind Bush's war, in fact while working for the government in that same defense industry, Snowden called for traitors to be shot.

Protector of humanity that he is claimed to be, he also called for seniors to get out of their beds in the hospitals and get to work, just like any bagger.

And yet after this piece, and GG defending a proven bigot and attacking his victims, we are supposed to think these guys care about us poor little peasants here in the USA?

Greenwald appears to have gone right down the road with these pieces and the revolt against the tryannical Obama! So many links to the Koch brothers, and we are supposed to believe that their philosophy is that different?

That these guys are given so much glory here at DU is really telling about the number of non-Democrats here.

[Tarheel_Dem]

109. "Snowden called for traitors to be shot." People seem to conveniently forget that. He hates Obama

so he's a cool kid now.

[freshwest]

111. You nailed it! n/t

[Aerows]

156. No offense, freshwest

but you would do well to read your own post, and read what else has gone on in this thread. You are welcome to your opinions, but someone that is bigoted against Latin Americans is probably not the first place to start when you are against racism.

[AgingAmerican]

21. This OP reeks of desperation

nt

[Cali_Democrat]

25. I've been posting about Snowden and Greenwald for many months now

And every time I make an OP, some people tell me it is a last act of desperation.

Well I'll continue to post about Greenwald for a long time to come.

I guess all my future posts will also be last gasps of desperation.

Stay tuned!

[Aerows]

29. Many months

Do the words OCD mean anything to you? It isn't Obama Conspiracy Derangement, despite what you might think.

You can criticize policy without being the devil or wanting to have him impeached. Sometimes, it seems there are few that do NOT know the difference.

[Cali_Democrat]

39. Of course you can criticize policy. I've criticized Obama's policies...

such as his expansion of the drone program and the Bush tax cut extension in 2010. I also criticized his expansion of the war in Afghanistan, the debt ceiling deal in 2011 and his strikes on Libya.

Keep in mind, I'm also free to criticize people like Greenwald which I will continue to do.

It seems many folks just can't handle it when I expose Greenwald.

Too bad for them.

[Aerows]

43. Have at it

I just don't care for the atmosphere of "if you criticize Obama" you aren't a REAL Democrat air that surrounds these posts.

[TheSarcastinator]

32. Your next post should try to link Greenwald & Woody Allen

maybe that will work where all your other personal attacks have failed miserably.

[AgingAmerican]

45. Hense my comment

nt

[Quantess]

176. Nobody called it your "last act of" desperation.

Just plain old, repetitive desperation.
I agree with that assessment, and I decided to chime in to this thread just to say so.

[Union Scribe]

179. Indeed. There are bound to be many more! nt

[TheMathieu]

27. He should give his citizenship up to one of them.

It's clear they want to be here and appreciate the U.S. more than he does.

[Cali_Democrat]

31. Greenwald likes America, just not when a black man is President

Notice how he fawned over Bush:

Greenwald's own words:

This is not to say that I was not angry about the attacks. I believed that Islamic extremism posed a serious threat to the country, and I wanted an aggressive response from our government. I was ready to stand behind President Bush and I wanted him to exact vengeance on the perpetrators and find ways to decrease the likelihood of future attacks. During the following two weeks, my confidence in the Bush administration grew as the president gave a series of serious, substantive, coherent, and eloquent speeches that struck the right balance between aggression and restraint. And I was fully supportive of both the president’s ultimatum to the Taliban and the subsequent invasion of Afghanistan when our demands were not met. Well into 2002, the president’s approval ratings remained in the high 60 percent range, or even above 70 percent, and I was among those who strongly approved of his performance.

During the lead-up to the invasion, I was concerned that the hell-bent focus on invading Iraq was being driven by agendas and strategic objectives that had nothing to do with terrorism or the 9/11 attacks. The overt rationale for the invasion was exceedingly weak, particularly given that it would lead to an open-ended, incalculably costly, and intensely risky preemptive war. Around the same time, it was revealed that an invasion of Iraq and the removal of Saddam Hussein had been high on the agenda of various senior administration officials long before September 11. Despite these doubts, concerns, and grounds for ambivalence, I had not abandoned my trust in the Bush administration. Between the president’s performance in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, the swift removal of the Taliban in Afghanistan, and the fact that I wanted the president to succeed, because my loyalty is to my country and he was the leader of my country, I still gave the administration the benefit of the doubt. I believed then that the president was entitled to have his national security judgment deferred to, and to the extent that I was able to develop a definitive view, I accepted his judgment that American security really would be enhanced by the invasion of this sovereign country.


http://extremeliberal.wordpress.com/2013/06/07/glenn-greenwald-supported-president-bush-as-he-signed-the-patriot-act/

[TheSarcastinator]

37. Oooh, that's a good one! He's a RACIST!

How sad and obsessed are you?

[Cali_Democrat]

41. Welcome to DU

OP touch a nerve?

[Tarheel_Dem]

46. It touched a nerve indeed. Seems very personal for the poster.

[closeupready]

52. +1.

[freshwest]

116. Oh, for fuck's sake! There goes that anti-war cred. If he ever had any. What's with him managing the

PAC for Hamsher?

IDK what all the vitriol about her was, but I didn't care for her public statements. She's a hawk, right?

Fits in with his friend going to work for the government under Bush as a contractor. As long as the bucks are coming in, there are no moral qualms.

The problem isn't the gung ho attitude, it's the hypocrisy and the avarice. Neo-cons okay for a while, but then when the payday is gone, it's whinearoni.

[bvar22]

198. So Greenwald AGREED with the ENTIRE Democratic Party leadership when they voted FOR the AUMF!

My, how observant you are.


Can we put you down as OPPOSING Hillary because she agrees with Greenwald on the threat of Muslim Radicalism in the Middle east?

Can we put you down as OPPOSING Hillary because she agrees with Greenwald on "Illegal Immigration"?

Is Hillary a racist too,..... because she sure agrees with Greenwald a lot???

[MO_Moderate]

35. Never heard of the guy

but it seems like, at least in this post, that he is talking about illegal immigration, not immigration or immigrants.

[Electric Monk]

63. Yes, it is very telling that the OP chose to conspicuously remove the word "illegal" from the quote

(the part they quoted in the headline)

Removing the word illegal changes the context greatly. But, they knew that, I'm sure. It wasn't by accident.

[bvar22]

44. And you support "illegal immigration"?

Opposing "Illegal Immigration" does not make one a racist
unless you are willing to attack the entire leadership of the Democratic Party
and call them racists too.

I also oppose "Illegal" immigration for many of the same reasons Greenwald opposes Illegal Immigration,
and a few of my own.
I DO support Liberal Immigration Policy and an EZ path to citizenship.


Calling BULLSHIT on your OP.

[Sirveri]

193. Caesar Chavez oppossed illegal immigration too.

I find it hilarious that people would fault GG for opposing something that he thought was causing harm. Heck CC probably was even partially opposed to legal immigration if it brought more workers into the farm fields he was trying to unionize.

[WillyT]

48. Hey Cali_Democrat... You Left Out This Part !!!

<snip>

The GOP fights itself on Illegal Immigration

GG note: This post was written in 2005, one month after I began blogging. It was recently dug up by some Obama cultists trying to discredit my criticisms of the President (to understand what I mean by "Obama cultists," see this 2006 post I wrote about Bush cultists: exactly the same mentality). http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/02/do-bush-followers-have-political.html As my subsequent writing reflects over the next many years, this post does not remotely reflect my views on immigration. My response to someone who recently asked about it is here:

That was a 6 yrs ago: 3 weeks after I began blogging, when I had zero readers. I've discussed many times before how there were many uninformed things I believed back then, before I focused on politics full-time - due to uncritically ingesting conventional wisdom, propaganda, etc. I've written many times since then about how immigrants are exploited by the Right for fear-mongering purposes. I'm 100% in favor of amnesty, think defeat of the DREAM Act was an act of evil, etc. That said, I do think illegal immigration is a serious problem: having millions of people live without legal rights; having a legal scheme that is so pervasively disregarded breeds contempt for the rule of law; virtually every country - not just the U.S. insists on border control because having a manageable immigration process is vital on multiple levels. But that post is something I wrote literally a few weeks after I began blogging when nobody was reading my blog; it was anything but thoughtful, contemplative, and informed, and - like so many things I thought were true then - has nothing to do with what I believe now.

That's why Obama cultists have to dig back 6 years into my archives to try to find things to discredit me.

<snip>

Link: http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2005/11/gop-fights-itself-on-illegal.html

Why is that ???

[Aerows]

90. Obviously, you haven't

had enough of the kool-aid. Now sit back, WillyT, and we will fix you *RIGHT UP*.

Diagnosis: Extreme concern with determining the veracity of leaders. Could be terminal, but will monitor for signs of recurring awareness.

[cascadiance]

51. Farm subsidies cause more immigration to the U.S. I must be racist for not liking them!

If getting farmers from South America to move up here who can't compete with our subsidized underpriced exports to there is a good thing, then campaigning against farm subsidies must be a racist thing to do...

Therefore Glen Greenwald must be a racist!

Isn't logic like this a wonderful tool sometimes?!

[Vattel]

67. And Obama wants to punish those who cross borders illegally

even if they do so out of economic necessity. I agree with you that Greenwald's FORMER position on this was horrifically stupid and bigoted. He has since improved his thinking on immigration. I would add that some of Obama's views are both unjust and heartless.

[SomethingFishy]

68. Gee it's amazing that you left out this part:

GG note: This post was written in 2005, one month after I began blogging. It was recently dug up by some Obama cultists trying to discredit my criticisms of the President (to understand what I mean by "Obama cultists," see this 2006 post I wrote about Bush cultists: exactly the same mentality). As my subsequent writing reflects over the next many years, this post does not remotely reflect my views on immigration. My response to someone who recently asked about it is here:

That was a 6 yrs ago: 3 weeks after I began blogging, when I had zero readers. I've discussed many times before how there were many uninformed things I believed back then, before I focused on politics full-time - due to uncritically ingesting conventional wisdom, propaganda, etc. I've written many times since then about how immigrants are exploited by the Right for fear-mongering purposes. I'm 100% in favor of amnesty, think defeat of the DREAM Act was an act of evil, etc. That said, I do think illegal immigration is a serious problem: having millions of people live without legal rights; having a legal scheme that is so pervasively disregarded breeds contempt for the rule of law; virtually every country - not just the U.S. insists on border control because having a manageable immigration process is vital on multiple levels. But that post is something I wrote literally a few weeks after I began blogging when nobody was reading my blog; it was anything but thoughtful, contemplative, and informed, and - like so many things I thought were true then - has nothing to do with what I believe now.

That's why Obama cultists have to dig back 6 years into my archives to try to find things to discredit me.

Yeah what an asshole.

[Cali_Democrat]

74. Oh so that's why he made bigoted comments

He was only blogging for a month and didn't have that many readers.

But he's really not a bigot....trust him.....

[SomethingFishy]

77. Is Obama a homophobe?

He was against gay marriage all his life.

Or is this part of you making me squirm, with all your facts

[Cali_Democrat]

78. Funny how the Greenwald cultists always try to distract by bringing it back to Obama

ODS can be a very powerful force indeed!

[SomethingFishy]

81. No answer? I only bring up Obama because

it's a valid point and he is someone you don't run around calling a homophobe so I'm trying to see what the difference is here.. Can you explain it or are childish insults all you do?

[Cali_Democrat]

82. Your attempt to distract is transparent

If you want to create a post about Obama's comments go for it!

I'm not stopping you!

[EOTE]

89. You are being incredibly hypocritical

Was that the intent or is it just a happy byproduct of your arguments?

I'm just wondering why you are so insistent on calling a man I assume you helped to get elected a homophobe. The only conclusion that I can come to is that you support homophobes and homophobia as well considering you tried so hard to get a homophobe elected.

Funny how you talk about deflection without noticing a hint of irony. As if the mental midgets going after Snowden and Greenwald have anything but distractions to offer. If they had to stick to salient issues, they'd be fucked.

[Marr]

128. Just so you know, when you avoid a question like that...

...it's obvious. You'd probably be better off just ignoring the people who expose your bullshit.

[Bluenorthwest]

83. If we are doing retro quotation day, Obama has some pips 'Marrige is not a civil right' he said

and when not mounting the stage with 'ex gays' or hate preachers, he'd casually claim that God instructs him to oppose the basic rights of others, 'God is my trail mix' he'd say and 'Marriage is a Sacrament'.
He claims to have 'evolved' but according to you that should be considered impossible. Would you like to see some videos of Barack 'splaining his opposition to equality? There are some real peaches out there.

[lumberjack_jeff]

95. +1 n/t

[EOTE]

70. So, are you calling Obama a bigot who is against gay marriage?

Because that seems to be what you're saying.

[Bluenorthwest]

85. He's on record ....no editing needed

[EOTE]

86. My god. And surely, as people do not change, he still holds this position.

How is it that we worked so hard not just once, but twice, to elect a bigot? My world no longer makes sense to me.

[Bluenorthwest]

87. There is no change of mind, no nuance, no progress, once stated a man's views are etched in stone.

I read this on DU.
Obama In 2004: "I Don't Think Marriage Is A Civil Right"

[Whisp]

187. There is the sort of change that GG likes -- the kind that jingles in his pocketses

and then there is change that makes us all better people.

Obama is a good man that has been marinated in all the same falsehoods most of us were when we were growing up. I am glad he was able to change his mind and realize that he was wrong and heartfully admit it and do something about it for his own self and for the betterment of many.

GG is a sputtering hateful little troll that feeds on negativity and rage. Obama is a man willing to change for the betterment of himself and send that positive message to the world.

No contest.

[EOTE]

240. No double standard there at all.

Yeah, Obama is afforded every possible excuse and courtesy. Not only for his previous views which would have been considered bigoted by anyone on the left if they were held by a republican, and for views held currently which are still quite far from liberal. Yet if the villain du jour exhibits any views that Obama has held in the past or even currently holds, they're slammed mercilessly. Hell, they're slammed non-stop even for personal shit. It is rather hilarious to see the Snowden/Greenwald haters get themselves into a tizzy and then congratulate Obama on his latest Wall St. giveaway or slap on the wrist. I've seen DU become an incredibly hypocritical place these past 5 years or so.

[Whisp]

71. Don't forget Asshole. He's that too. n/t

[Vashta Nerada]

73. Funny. You left out the word "illegal" in your title.

[EOTE]

91. She also left out that this is a decade old

and that he's recanted the bulk of what the OP has misrepresented to begin with. But then again, truthfulness is not what the OP was after. Truthiness is more like it. It's close enough to truth for the OP.

[Vashta Nerada]

94. I just caught that the article is from 2005.

Who cares about the man. Let's discuss the actual issue here: NSA spying.

[EOTE]

96. But... but... attractive girlfriend... ballerina... republican... Russia...

That's all I got.

[Quantess]

177. Crickets.

[Maedhros]

84. WELL THANK GOD!

Now that I know that Greenwald blogged something stupid in 2005, I can now ignore everything bad that the NSA does!

Whew! For a while there I was concerned about widespread unconstitutional surveillance of American citizens in the absence of any suspicion of crime. Good thing one stupid blog post from 8 years ago erases all of that!

[840high]

149. I like you.

[Warren Stupidity]

192. Good thing, otherwise you are a "Paulite".

On the other hand these OPs are canary in a coal mine alerts that another damaging revelation is in the new cycle.

[Comrade Grumpy]

88. Pathetic. n/t

[Cha]

97. "Greenwald Unethically...."?!!

rofl "... makes a mockery of the rule of law;.." What does fuckhead care about the "rule of law"?

"..And Glenn Greenwald called them 'odious and repugnant' for suing his client--" GG's projecting A-gain.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002101211

[freshwest]

119. Oh, so he's getting upset about the word illegal. Only when it applies to human beings, though. Yup!

Loved that judge's words about the 'illegality' of GG's work.

Then he attacked the shooting victims' character. OMG, is that a 'smear'?

But then, they weren't like him, since there was one black and two Jewish kids who were the victims of racial hatred, huh?

And those illegal humans. Bet he supports Paul Ryan's repeal of the 14th Amendment to stop those 'anchor babies.'

Glad the natives didn't stop my ancestors from having 'anchor babies' here. Some peeps don't get the point, do they?

How predictably GOP, Bircher, Libertarian and Rand Paul of him to call people 'illegal,' a greater problem than his own and his friends' illegal actions.

[Cha]

120. Glenn Greenwald..#1 Profiteer of the 1st

Amendment business. rofl

GG.. "so many Suckers.. so little time."

[whatchamacallit]

99. Achievement Unlocked!

[bvar22]

194. Nailed It... LOL.

It is delightful to see our Boggers twisting into pretzels to support
"Illegal Immigration".

I don't know of a single Democrat that supports "Illegal Immigration",
including the Centrist Heroes, President Obama and the inevitable Hillary,
both of who OPPOSE Illegal Immigration,
just like Glenn Greenwald!


Teh Stupid....It hurtz!

[whatchamacallit]

101. Achievement Unlocked!

[bvar22]

220. I may have to steal those graphics.

Really nice.
Thanks.

[whatchamacallit]

242. Go for it!

[great white snark]

107. He also waited to dispatch Snowden until there was a Dem administration.

Remember: Libertarians hate Democrats more than Republicans.

[Tarheel_Dem]

110. DING! DING! DING! And that goes for Greens as well. Remember the Naderites? n/t

[Hissyspit]

150. Dispatch Snowden??

What the fuck horseshit are you talking about?

Jesus Christ...

[Jamaal510]

153. That comment immediately reminded me

of the South Park Republican:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park_Republican

[Gothmog]

114. I am not now and have never been a fan of Greenwald

This thread is simply another reason that supports my opinion

[riderinthestorm]

117. Then Hillary Clinton is too. Her past positions on illegal immigration were/are like Greenwalds

So I guess she's a bigot?

And you're going to spend just as much effort smearing her as you do Greenwald right?

[Cali_Democrat]

121. I am not going to support Hillary's Presidential bid if she runs. nt

[riderinthestorm]

122. Then good bye to you on DU when she gets the nomination since its SOP here

to support the Democratic nominee.

And I'm sure your refusal to support her is because she's a bigot too like Greenwald right? Cause clearly that's the MOST important thing that either of them have ever done!

[Cali_Democrat]

123. Good bye to DU? You're leaving? Well....bye then......nt

[riderinthestorm]

124. I will support our Dem candidate, especially Hillary. You however hate "bigots" like her

and won't be supporting her.

Your vociferous attacks labeling Greenwald a "bigot" for the same exact position as Hillary would presumably earn her the same vitriol.

Go for it.

I'd love to be on that jury.

[Cali_Democrat]

125. Huh? nt

[Whisp]

160. I will support Hillary in the same way some 'progressives' support Obama here

122. Then good bye to you on DU when she gets the nomination since its SOP here to support the Democratic nominee.



HA!

[freshwest]

163. What? It's 2016 already? Damn, I slept through the DNC! Need to reset the clock again.

And that's not in an SOP, it's in the TOS. A leap forward in time to tell us the nominee in 2 years or wishful thinking?

[grahamhgreen]

118. Name calling. It's beneath you. Argue the merits of Greenwald's positions.

[ZombieHorde]

126. Wow! I totally love warrantless spying and lies now!

Damn, GG being a racist jerk means the NSA is super cool!

[Aerows]

131. It's only 30%.

That means it is okay.

[ZombieHorde]

132. 30% is the bees knees. nt

[QC]

133. And besides, Glenn Greenwald is a big ole meanie.

Between the two of those things, there is only one position a reasonable person can hold.

[ZombieHorde]

136. And position is boxes in garages = evil in the brain. nt

[QC]

138. And evil in the brain = weeping ballerina.

Blanket surveillance pales into insignificance in light of that.

[ZombieHorde]

140. Totally! nt

[flamingdem]

134. Rockin thread Cali_Dem

[VanillaRhapsody]

155. their Libertarians....through and through....they DON'T fool me....

I can smell the Rand Paul on them!

[Bonobo]

162. Huh? Being against ILLEGAL immigration makes you a racist?

That's not necessarily true.

Illegal immigration IS damaging. Don't you agree?

[Cali_Democrat]

164. A few things

1) If his statement isn't bigoted, why did he feel the need to retract it?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4461001

2) Many of the arguments he used, such as mentioning society and culture, are xenophobic arguments he seems to be parroting from right wingers. It's more proof that Greenwald is a right winger.

3) I don't have a problem with people that want to come here to better their lives. I don't mind if they are "illegal". America should welcome people who come here to work their ass off for a better life.

You live in Japan and America is totally different. Japan is a very xenophobic nation and they don't believe in immigration. Their culture has rubbed off on you apparently. You can't even become a Japanese citizen if you don't have Japanese blood, right?

[Bonobo]

183. You are just showing your ignorance.

It is not that hard to immigrate to Japan and gain Japanese citizenship.

You just don't know what you are talking about.

You are literally ignorant of the facts.

[Hissyspit]

231. You put everything in No. 2 in present tense despite that it happened a decade ago.

Dishonest arguing.

[seveneyes]

169. Nothing there about legal immigration

Why leave "illegal" out of the title?

[TransitJohn]

174. Oh, well, then, I guess the NSA's unConstitutional actions are okay, then!

Smear accomplished!

[marmar]

178. And illegal spying is still illegal spying.

[BlueCaliDem]

182. Yes. Yes, he definitely is - and has admitted as much through his blogging

and tweeting.

And anyone who refuses to see it, or even attempts to defend it, are cut from the same cloth.

Kick and recommended, Cali_Democrat.

[TheSarcastinator]

188. so anyone who points out the intellectual paucity of your ad hominem is

also subjected to an ad hominem attack? Now THAT'S logic!

Thanks for leading the way to a new era of intelligent debate and analysis.

[BlueCaliDem]

203. Your biggest mistake is to assume

that anyone can have an "intelligent debate" let alone sober "analysis" with a doting GG defender who refuses, absolutely refuses, to do a sober analysis of his history regarding the Black community - as you've just proven. Sorry, but those be the facts whether you like it or not.

[TheSarcastinator]

186. The OP is a manual for bad faith argument

Step One: engage in ad hominem attacks against the messenger.

Step Two: when people claim you are making hominem attacks against the messenger, make ad hominem attacks against THEM by accusing them of belonging to a "cult" that worships the messenger. If you can, be sure to make hints like "you must have something to hide" in order to smear them further.

Step Three: whatever you do, never allow the focus to switch from the ad hominem attack to the real issue of intrusive, extra-judicial surveillance of a free peoples. Be sure to use words like "bigot" as much as possible in order to poison the water and prevent any real discussion of the erosion of civil liberties in the US.

Step Four: never allow any comprehension that you are a tool to creep into your mind.

Step Five: repeat as necessary.

[ucrdem]

190. The message is as worthless as the messenger.

I knew that from the day the Verizon warrant hit the wires but I also listened to Greenwald and Snowball on Democracy Now and watched a few of their appearances posted online and they had NOTHING except a load of innuendo and "ad hominems" aimed at the Obama admin.

And when you get down to it, that's what NSAgate is all about, and that's all it's about, at least the media part. The docs Snowden suppled to China and who knows who else are another matter. Why that isn't obvious to everyone here is perplexing question.

[truebluegreen]

212. Welcome to DU.

[arely staircase]

197. sorry glenn.

the fastest growing demographic isn't going anywhere.

[bvar22]

219. Don't think so.

The Tea Party agrees with Glenn Greenwald, along with the entire Democratic Party
including Hillary and President Obama, along with the entire Republican Party.


I can't think of ANYBODY that supports "ILLEGAL Immigration" except you, Cali-Democrat
and a handful of others from The BOG.
Everybody else in the entire country MUST be RACISTS too.

So what is this " fastest growing demographic" that supports Illegal Immigration that you speak of?

[arely staircase]

235. greenwald is using racist dog whistles

Saying undocumented workers are "wreaking havoc on our culture" is about one step away from stormfront.

[Warren Stupidity]

200. do the rates go up if the reply count reaches certain levels?

I'm really curious how it work.

[madrchsod]

202. so am i....

i know i am old but i get completely lost in posts like this....

[Cali_Democrat]

208. See my post below...

[Cali_Democrat]

207. If you PM me your email, I can have you put on our distribution list

If you redistribute the talking points, you can make loads of cash.



Talking points are distributed at 11am Eastern... Monday thru Friday.

Let me know....

[ecstatic]

204. here's my take:

Is GG a libertarian republican with bigoted tendencies? Yes.

Is Edward Snowden a libertarian republican with an agenda, and is he slightly delusional with a huge ego? Yes.

Does the NSA need to be monitored more closely and the patriot act repealed? Yes!

But, is the NSA my top issue? No.

It must be nice to have metadata as a top issue. I live in the real world, however. My top issues are education, equality, healthcare reform, and gun control.

[bvar22]

206. DURec!!!!... for the supporters of "Illegal Immigration"!!!

Kudos to Cali_Democrat and friends in The BOG for having the courage of their convictions and to Come Out
is support of "Illegal Immigration".
I will join you in your courageous stand.

It matters NOT that the entire Democratic Party including President Obama and Hillary agree with Greenwald,
they must ALL be [font size=3]RACISTS[/font] too.

It takes a lot of courage to STAND on principle against the entire Democratic Party!
Kudos for your bravery and insight.

There aren't too many besides Cali_Democrat and me who have the guts to support such an unpopular position
as supporting Illegal Immigration, but the logic is unassailable.
Greenwald opposes "Illegal Immigration",
therefore WE support IT, and NOBODY is going to change our minds with logic, history, facts, and other such bullshit!
Case CLOSED!

It is time to tell the truth!

[font size=4]The WHOLE country, including the entire Democratic Party is RACIST
except for YOU and ME, Cali_Democrat![/font]

The courage, insight, and brilliance demonstrated by Cali_Democrat in this OP and his stalwart commitment to defending his PRO - Illegal Immigration position is worthy of 1000 Recs, and should be pinned to the Top of the Greatest Page as an example of we believe DU should stand for,
and SHAME on all the Racists who support Legal Immigration!
(Bunch of damned RACISTS!!!)

[Cali_Democrat]

209. Second reply to this OP two days later?

This thread really got to you, huh?



Oh...you never replied to me here....


http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4348781

[bvar22]

221. Oh NO.

Didn't you read my post?

I'm joining YOU, Tarhell Dem, Cha and a few select other members of The BOG in SUPPORTING Illegal Immigration.
You have convinced me that the entire Democratic Party, including President Obama and Hillary
are RACISTS because they agree 100% with Greenwald in their opposition to Illegal Immigration!!!!
I had an epiphany catalyzed by your brilliant analysis of the situation,
and your courageous performance in this thread supporting Illegal Immigration.

I WANT to keep this thread kicked to the TOP of DU so EVERYONE can read it.
It so perfectly depicts one man's courageous stand against ALL the Racists who oppose Illegal Immigration.
I want to help EVERYONE know you for who and what you are!

1000 Recs for this brilliant OP,
and the courage it took to OPPOSE the entire Democratic Party and 99.9% of America!
WAY to Stand on YOUR Principles and Values!

You Da MAN!!!
High Five, Bro!!!

[Cali_Democrat]

222. hahahaha

You're such a joke.

[truebluegreen]

213. Well, that oughta put this thread to bed.

[Cali_Democrat]

214. LOL

Wishful thinking.

[elleng]

210. WTF???

'The parade of evils caused by illegal immigration is widely known, and it gets worse every day. In short, illegal immigration wreaks havoc economically, socially, and culturally; makes a mockery of the rule of law; and is disgraceful just on basic fairness grounds alone. Few people dispute this, and yet nothing is done.'

[Cha]

217. Greenwald contributes mightly to the ugliness. Greenwald likes to think he speaks

for almost everyone but again he's full of shit.

[elleng]

218. I haven't paid attention to him in the past, Cha,

and sure won't in the future.

[Cha]

229. Can't be swept under the rug, either.

[Cha]

232. Leave the asshole alone.. You can't expose Greenwald because such and such

says it's only to deflect from NSA. Must protect assholes at all costs.

[NuclearDem]

233. Stilllllllll waiting!

I know I'll get an explanation eventually on how Greenwald being an asshole renders the leaks about the NSA irrelevant.

[freshwest]

243. ROFLMAO at 'must protect assholes at all costs' BWAHAHA! n/t

[Cha]

234. KICK for Exposing Glenn Greenwald.. Asshole.

[Bonobo]

237. Dude, the one being exposed is you. nt

[Cha]

236. Kick because greenwald is a liar and a ratfucker.. he and snowden lie.. I don't trust them.

[eShirl]

238. Am I supposed to give a shit?

seriously? he's not running for public office, what is the point?

[Cha]

239. kick

[Autumn]

241. illegal

Yeah I can see where it's easy to miss that word. It's almost fucking invisible in your post.

[wildbilln864]

244. don't care about him.

hey did you know the NSA is spying on your every electronic communication? Phone calls, emails, texts, etc.