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CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 05:54 PM Feb 2014

The Friday Afternoon Challenge Returns...again! Today’s puzzler: What’s going on here?

Your task is to come up with what is significant about these works of art...

and without cheating, please!

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The Friday Afternoon Challenge Returns...again! Today’s puzzler: What’s going on here? (Original Post) CTyankee Feb 2014 OP
I just wanted to get in the first rec. Tansy_Gold Feb 2014 #1
Aw, I thought you were going to mow them down! CTyankee Feb 2014 #2
The first one depicts Ruby the Liberal Feb 2014 #3
and why is it a subject of interest, apart from the subject matter...? CTyankee Feb 2014 #4
Oh - I do not know Ruby the Liberal Feb 2014 #5
It's interesting... CTyankee Feb 2014 #6
On the right, who's the guy with the horse's head fadedrose Feb 2014 #15
"On the right, a Roman officer watches on horseback while soldiers in the background... pinboy3niner Feb 2014 #18
From the third panel of #1 TBF Feb 2014 #24
Welcome back CTyankee! longship Feb 2014 #7
well, thanks, longship! Nice to see you too here! CTyankee Feb 2014 #8
I got shots a couple of weeks ago fadedrose Feb 2014 #19
Yes, I am getting the shot later this month! I am going on an art expedition to eastern Tuscany CTyankee Feb 2014 #25
By the time it's readily available in MI, fadedrose Feb 2014 #29
Oh, you have touched my hear, dear rose! CTyankee Feb 2014 #38
The longest lasting shots I got was with a radiologist who had my elfin Feb 2014 #30
I got my shots with X-rays too fadedrose Feb 2014 #34
I will try to find a heated pool for therapy. I'm ready to look for anything that will help... CTyankee Feb 2014 #47
me too skipper fadedrose Feb 2014 #20
thank you. What great support you all give me...it is so nice and makes me feel so much better! CTyankee Feb 2014 #32
#1 is Reubens' The Elevation of the Cross pinboy3niner Feb 2014 #9
Yes! But what is different about this one? CTyankee Feb 2014 #10
For one thing, the same subject is spread across the three panels pinboy3niner Feb 2014 #11
but this is not what is different. Do you see the entire picture in a frame? CTyankee Feb 2014 #12
The diagonal aspect of the central panel with its foreshortening of the figures? pinboy3niner Feb 2014 #13
I see what you are saying! It wasn't what I was meaning, but I do get it... CTyankee Feb 2014 #14
The Rubens is a sketch of The Raising of the Cross, done before he made the painting. Chiyo-chichi Feb 2014 #35
I have been in that cathedral and its companion, The Descent from the Cross, is huge... CTyankee Feb 2014 #46
I'm curious to know the other story. Chiyo-chichi Feb 2014 #53
This one was "orphaned." It was originally stolen by the Germans right before WW2 and CTyankee Feb 2014 #55
Figure 3 mythical animals fadedrose Feb 2014 #16
they are but they have a back story in where they ended up...and it is right here in the U.S.A... CTyankee Feb 2014 #17
Those are griffins! countryjake Feb 2014 #21
OF COURSE they are griffins...but where are they? why are they there? CTyankee Feb 2014 #28
I believe it may be back in CA, now, but antiquities theft was the story... countryjake Feb 2014 #40
They are quite beautiful...fantastical animals... CTyankee Feb 2014 #45
#5: I read the story! Porno Georgian tiles recently found: WinkyDink Feb 2014 #22
TA-DA! Congrats WinkyDink, you GOT IT! Yay!!! CTyankee Feb 2014 #26
I remembered reading the story earlier (I like the UK papers on-line)! WinkyDink Feb 2014 #44
We've all heard and said... fadedrose Feb 2014 #36
That school magazine...?? title fadedrose Feb 2014 #23
I'm sorry, I'm not understanding what you are saying about a "school magazine" CTyankee Feb 2014 #27
Just remembered! HIGHLIGHTS fadedrose Feb 2014 #31
OK, so I get it now...sorry, I'm a bit tired... CTyankee Feb 2014 #33
I think #2... jberryhill Feb 2014 #37
I've always wondered about griffin meat...is it tough? does it taste like chicken? CTyankee Feb 2014 #39
I gotta rec this because I love your challenges. panader0 Feb 2014 #41
#6: The £12.5m selfie (Anthony van Dyck self-portrait) pinboy3niner Feb 2014 #42
Aaahhh! countryjake Feb 2014 #43
good for you! Only 3 and 4 left to guess... CTyankee Feb 2014 #48
HINT! CTyankee Feb 2014 #49
I've given up on #3, but #4 is portrait of St. Catherine by Rubens... countryjake Feb 2014 #50
The interesting thing here is that this painting was stolen by an American G.I. during WWII... CTyankee Feb 2014 #51
Yeah, I knew that it had to be about WWII art theft... countryjake Feb 2014 #52
Have you read any of the several books on this subject? CTyankee Feb 2014 #54
Answer to #3. CTyankee Feb 2014 #56
Thank you for the OP Ruby the Liberal Feb 2014 #57

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
4. and why is it a subject of interest, apart from the subject matter...?
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 06:18 PM
Feb 2014

something else going on about this particular depiction of the crucifixion...

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
15. On the right, who's the guy with the horse's head
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 09:30 PM
Feb 2014

or the horse with the man's body.

Picture 1 is out of proportion...figures clothed in background seem bigger than sitting figures in front..

So much weird stuff.

But who's the modern man?

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
8. well, thanks, longship! Nice to see you too here!
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 06:54 PM
Feb 2014

It's been a while. My spinal arthritis keeps me from long research sessions at my computer (which I LOVE doing, BTW, for the Challenge). So when it flares I'm sadly sidelined...much to my dismay cuz I do love dreaming up these things. But, whatever...

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
19. I got shots a couple of weeks ago
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 09:39 PM
Feb 2014

for my arthritis, a spinal, and feel much better.

Top half needs shots too....

Have you gone to a spinal neurologist?

It does help.

I hate to see Medicare shell out for the stuff, but I will do anything to stay out of a nursing home....

Pain pills help, but marijuana is probably the best medicine, if legal in your state and you can afford the prescription...

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
25. Yes, I am getting the shot later this month! I am going on an art expedition to eastern Tuscany
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 09:49 PM
Feb 2014

in mid March and my rheumatologist will inject me later this month for that trip. I am hoping this will help! I need to do some walking in Tuscany and want to be able.

I have Tramadol for pain and Melloxicam for spinal inflammation but they both cause me to feel drowsy, so I take tylenol unless the spinal spasms are so bad I have to take the Melloxicam. I HATE feeling dopey. Truthfully, I would rather take an opiate...but I really only want to feel ABLE...

While technically medical marijuana is legal in CT, somebody has to grow it first commercially and then they have to get all the regulations in order, so it will be a while...then, I will get it!

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
29. By the time it's readily available in MI,
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 09:59 PM
Feb 2014

I will be dead, but so what? the bible says man gets 70 years and I already owe some soul 5 years..

I am taking a generic for Norco - 3 pills a day when I first started. They are an opiate with 325 mg acetaminophen in each tablet.

Now I cut them in half, and take l/2 pill in the morning and that's about it. Too much lifting (watch that with your luggage) and I might take another l/2 during the day, with lifting granddaughter (28 lbs)...

You will do fine with shots. You have interests, and that's the key. I don't travel, but have interests that make me rush out of bed....

You take care, beautiful Yankee...

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
38. Oh, you have touched my hear, dear rose!
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 10:15 PM
Feb 2014

I wish you many more years!

Oh, and don't worry, I have lots of experience with traveling light and efficiently...the lightest bag and the lightest packing for such a trip. I'll also be in Barcelona in the fall and want to go to Provence and Andalusia in 2015. I figure I've got 5 good years ahead of me and will have to make hay while the sun shines! So I will...

elfin

(6,262 posts)
30. The longest lasting shots I got was with a radiologist who had my
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 10:00 PM
Feb 2014

X-rays right there and he could guide the needle more precisely.

Got me ambulatory for the first time in weeks. Then, a spinal orthopod told me to walk IN water for at least six weeks before even thinking about drastic, dangerous surgery.

Not covered of course, but found a health club with a therapeutic pool for $60/month and got a helper to get me there and back. Once in the pool, could actually walk.

It worked. The walking aligned the spine and reduced the trauma. Weaned off of oxy, proximal and muscle relaxants gradually, and graduated to Walker and then cane and now OK. Also covered PT for a while.

So.... Walk IN heated water as many times a week as you can -- and good luck!

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
34. I got my shots with X-rays too
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 10:07 PM
Feb 2014

No guessing.

But I think that Medicare covers gyms free....Always meant to check into it, but was having too much pain. I may look into it again now....

The shots are expensive, but cheaper than a month in a nursing home, and that's how I look at it.

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
47. I will try to find a heated pool for therapy. I'm ready to look for anything that will help...
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 08:07 AM
Feb 2014

thanks for the tip...I'd much rather walk in water several times a week than take pills...

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
32. thank you. What great support you all give me...it is so nice and makes me feel so much better!
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 10:01 PM
Feb 2014

thanks, again...you are the best!

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
9. #1 is Reubens' The Elevation of the Cross
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 08:47 PM
Feb 2014

I'm not sure what aspect of its significance you're looking for.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
11. For one thing, the same subject is spread across the three panels
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 09:03 PM
Feb 2014

Triptychs normally depict three stories, not one.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
13. The diagonal aspect of the central panel with its foreshortening of the figures?
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 09:17 PM
Feb 2014
In the central panel of the triptych of The Elevation of the Cross nine enormous figures with bulging muscles struggle to raise the heavy wooden cross that Christ is nailed to.

One can almost hear them grunt as they use all their strength to lift the cross. Their bodies form a compendium of different positions of the human body as it heaves a great weight: some figures at the top of the cross push forward from below, another at the center of the cross lifts straight up as he leans his body back, another figure has placed his body under the cross and uses the strength of his legs to lift it, while two others crouch at the base of the cross to pull it up and forward.

Another figure helps from atop some branches and rocks, and still another pulls on rope that has been tied to the cross drawng our eye to Christ's own upward gaze and the sign attached to the cross that reads, "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews." Perhaps this is the moment when Christ addresses God, and says "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do" (Luke 23:34)?

It is not easy to disentangle the limbs of all of these figures—arms and legs seem to join together in one massive effort to raise the cross. Christ's body forms a diagonal line that moves back into space, and the cross is being lifted in our direction. In fact, several of the figures are so foreshortened they seem as though they will spill out into our space any second. This scene could not be closer to us. Rubens transports us to the very foot of the cross at the moment that it is lifted and its base is set into the ground. We sense the chaos of this moment. A dog barks excitedly, and it seems entirely possible that these men will fail and the cross will fall to the ground.

http://smarthistory.khanacademy.org/baroque-flanders.html

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
14. I see what you are saying! It wasn't what I was meaning, but I do get it...
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 09:23 PM
Feb 2014

This one, however, is not what I was referencing in my original post.

How do I say this? It ain't the one you think it is...there, I said it...but it still is Rubens...

Chiyo-chichi

(3,578 posts)
35. The Rubens is a sketch of The Raising of the Cross, done before he made the painting.
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 10:11 PM
Feb 2014

The sketch is in the Louvre.

The painting, made for the church of St-Walpurgis in Antwerp, is on display in the cathedral of Our Lady in Antwerp.

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
46. I have been in that cathedral and its companion, The Descent from the Cross, is huge...
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 08:01 AM
Feb 2014

but it is a big cathedral...it is unclear to me about this version...it may have been in the Louvre at one time...or is yet another version...but, there is another story that goes into this narrative...

Chiyo-chichi

(3,578 posts)
53. I'm curious to know the other story.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 11:05 AM
Feb 2014

Does it have to do with art theft again? Napoleon took the one from the cathedral to Paris & it wasn't returned to Antwerp until 1815. That doesn't address your clue about whether the entire picture is in a frame.

This Wikimedia page http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Peter_Paul_Rubens/1609%E2%80%931612 shows both the sketch and the painting if you scroll down. It says the sketch is at the Louvre.

According to this 1904 book-- http://books.google.com/books?id=Y-9ZAAAAYAAJ&dq=rubens%20rooses&pg=PP14#v=onepage&q&f=false -- (page 130), he first did the sketch that is in the Louvre, then he did a painted sketch, which at the time of this book was privately owned, then another (?) sketch that sold at Christie's in 1901. So there are three versions in addition to the one in Antwerp?

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
55. This one was "orphaned." It was originally stolen by the Germans right before WW2 and
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:42 PM
Feb 2014

tragically, no surviving members of the family could be found and returned to. That is, until quite recently. Here is the story on several orphaned works from a recent story in the NYT: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/02/arts/design/a-reporter-in-france-helps-to-return-art-taken-by-the-nazis.html

Oh, my bad. In re-reading this article, it seems that the one I displayed IS the Louvre rendering...sorry to have confused this...

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
28. OF COURSE they are griffins...but where are they? why are they there?
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 09:57 PM
Feb 2014

what is the back story on why they are where they are?

Ah, all very interesting...

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
40. I believe it may be back in CA, now, but antiquities theft was the story...
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 10:26 PM
Feb 2014

And several infamous trials, too.


The rare painted marble Greek sculpture of griffins attacking a doe, 325–300 BC, was turned over by the Getty to Italy after evidence emerged that it was plundered from a tomb in southern Italy in the 1970s.

What Went Wrong at the Getty
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/jun/23/what-went-wrong-getty/?pagination=false



( The J. Paul Getty Trust, Villa Collection, Malibu, California )

Two Griffins Attacking a Fallen Doe, from about 325 - 300 BC, is among antiquities that Italy and the J. Paul Getty Museum have arguing over. The museum has come under pressure over allegations of acquiring ancient art pieces illegally.


http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/arts/la-getty_gm_01293101,0,5294755.photo#ixzz2sh3bRIlT

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
45. They are quite beautiful...fantastical animals...
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 07:54 AM
Feb 2014

dodgy, at best, explains the Getty's actions, tho...

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
36. We've all heard and said...
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 10:11 PM
Feb 2014

"Kiss my butt" and this is the literal version.

I cannot think of this picture in any pornographic way, but who knows, my generation didn't try everything

Ain't this what they call "mooning"?

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
23. That school magazine...?? title
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 09:45 PM
Feb 2014

Always had a busy drawing with the caption,

"What's wrong with this picture?"

Who knew they got the idea from the Old Masters paintings....I certainly didn't, but it's clear to me now...

panader0

(25,816 posts)
41. I gotta rec this because I love your challenges.
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 10:30 PM
Feb 2014

I too am stumped, but I think #6 used to play in a Southern Rock band.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
42. #6: The £12.5m selfie (Anthony van Dyck self-portrait)
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 10:39 PM
Feb 2014


Why Anthony van Dyck was Britain's first art star

The National Portrait Gallery is trying to drum up millions to buy a Van Dyck self-portrait. So why is this Belgian artist so important to British art history?

£12.5m for a self-portrait by Anthony van Dyck? That's what the National Portrait Gallery and the Art Fund are trying to raise in an appeal launched today. Is it worth it?

Absolutely. I think this is one of the most worthwhile campaigns in years to "save" a work of art for the nation. Van Dyck's Self-Portrait would make a spectacular addition to the National Portrait Gallery. Quite frankly, it could make the place. It would give a gallery stuffed with pictures of primarily historical interest a true artistic masterpiece, by the man from Antwerp who gave birth to British art.

Van Dyck was fascinated by the English face. His paintings are full of pale faces, with quirky physiognomies and flaccid skin – the faces of the English upper class in the reign of Charles I. You can see how intrigued he was by this northern island just by looking at his portrait of the art collector George Gage doing business in Italy. Van Dyck shows this elegant art lover as a quintessential Englishman abroad, his long white hands and face looking raw and even sickly in the light of Rome.

Charles I ruled over an art-loving court and Van Dyck, a painter who could and did work all over Europe, came to Britain to get paid for portraits. His images of Stuart ladies and gentlemen have immense panache and cavalier style. They are at once real and down to earth – those pasty faces – yet magnificent in their silken garments and rich settings.

...

http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/jonathanjonesblog/2013/nov/25/van-dyck-national-portrait-gallery

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
50. I've given up on #3, but #4 is portrait of St. Catherine by Rubens...
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 08:49 AM
Feb 2014

Last edited Sat Feb 8, 2014, 04:29 PM - Edit history (1)



Not all monuments were men...relating to the recovery and return of millions of works of art that were plundered by the Nazis during WWII. The woman in your photo is Ardelia Ripley Hall, who, along with other women such as Rose Valland (portrayed by Cate Blanchett in the new movie "The Monuments Men&quot , worked tirelessly as members of the Monuments, Fine Arts and Archives Section to find, identify, and return priceless treasures after the war.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/02/arts/design/not-all-monuments-men-were-men.html?ref=design

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
51. The interesting thing here is that this painting was stolen by an American G.I. during WWII...
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 09:41 AM
Feb 2014

and Hall was just as persistent as with the Germans in getting the painting returned...I love that story!

BTW, how did you track that down? I'm guessing the way she was dressed just looked SO early 1950s...

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
52. Yeah, I knew that it had to be about WWII art theft...
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 10:17 AM
Feb 2014

and first thought that it may be Rose Valland, since I was already aware of the Monuments, Fine Arts and Archives Section and men like Rorimer. I hit on the link I've posted almost immediately using Valland's name and Monuments Men.

LOL, yup, that hat was a dead giveaway as to the correct era. What noble work those folks accomplished!

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
54. Have you read any of the several books on this subject?
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:30 PM
Feb 2014

The new movie is based on a book by a guy who wrote several. On Italy alone, there is one book called "The Venus Fixers" that is wonderful. I think I've read them all...from "The Rape of Europa" onward...

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
56. Answer to #3.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:56 PM
Feb 2014

This is a funny one. It is an18th century oil painting damaged by flying cork from spumante bottle during a party held in council offices in Milan. The painting was unnamed in the article. The man next to the painting is the guy who uncorked the spumante. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/10593319/Italian-18th-century-oil-painting-damaged-by-cork-from-fizzy-wine-bottle.html

That was fun!

Thanks everybody for participating...

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