Snowden: Russia stands against human rights violations

[Cali_Democrat]

Yet even in the face of this historically disproportionate aggression, countries around the world have offered support and asylum. These nations, including Russia, Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Ecuador have my gratitude and respect for being the first to stand against human rights violations carried out by the powerful rather than the powerless. By refusing to compromise their principles in the face of intimidation, they have earned the respect of the world. It is my intention to travel to each of these countries to extend my personal thanks to their people and leaders.

http://www.businessinsider.com/edward-snowden-asylum-statement-human-rights-groups-un-venezuela-russia-moscow-airport-2013-7

[zappaman]

1. Is this from The Onion?

[Whisp]

3. nope, it's real. but the anti-authoritarians (hahaha!)

think it doesn't mean what it says...

it means something other than it says...

but they're not sure what, yet.



gotta love it.

[Tarheel_Dem]

5. "the anti-authoritarians (hahaha!) think it doesn't mean what it says..."

[ZombieHorde]

26. The quote is just Snoden thanking the coutries that have offered him asylum.

"Thanks for the asylum, listed countries." That is what it means.

[sheshe2]

64. Wait what!?!???

The Edster warned us, he did! He is our hero! Swoon...



That's Eddie...riding onward for truth, justice and the American way.

Come on Whisp, give the child a break!

[randome]

72. Nooo! Not that picture again!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[Hissyspit]

19. No, it's just taken out if context.

Again. On purpose.

He is referring to something specific, not in general.

[ZombieHorde]

28. Thank you. Confirmation bias is on full display tonight. nt

[jazzimov]

54. Which is? Seriously!

I want to hear the specific reference.

[leftynyc]

69. Please do feel free

to put it in any context you wish.

[Hissyspit]

79. It's elsewhere in the thread.

Last edited Sat Feb 8, 2014, 05:52 PM - Edit history (2)

And elsewhere on the Internet. Feel free to research. Some of us paid attention at the time and know this is just revisionism.

[leftynyc]

92. I see excuses

not anything resembling a reason.

[Hissyspit]

93. He was referring to whistleblower protections and freedom of transit.

It was clear at the time what he was talking about.

[leftynyc]

94. Seriously?

Russia has whistleblower protections? You think putin would celebrate someone like Snowden that was stealing and then releasing government secrets? Or are we supposed to be impressed with the fact putin will celebrate anything that embarrasses the US? And let's not forget that when Greenwald could have spoken about gay treatment in Russia, he merely had this tweet:

"Russia has awful anti-gay laws; therefore, Snowden should return to US, which imprisons whistleblowers for decades" - drooling jingosists

ALL he cares about is trashing the US. Your greenwald worship is laughable.

[Hissyspit]

95. "Greenwald worship"

I don't worship Greenwald. Your misrepresentation is as "laughable" as the misrepresentation in the OP. Cut from the same cloth.

[ZombieHorde]

25. The quote is just Snoden thanking the coutries that have offered him asylum.

Just read the article at the link and you will see.

[dionysus]

82. i think we need a bullwhip toting, crack investigative journalist to get to the bottom of this...

think we can raise money for airfare and a notepad?

[okaawhatever]

2. Seriously? nt

[upaloopa]

4. Wait a f...ing minute .

This resembles what happens when prisoners are forced to make a statement

[Cali_Democrat]

6. Interesting you mention that!

Read this today....

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/02/is-edward-snowden-prisoner-in-russia

[upaloopa]

9. Thanks

[OKNancy]

7. I stand with Human Rights Watch

http://www.hrw.org/

They aren't a real CHEERLEADER for the countries mentioned.

One fine example: http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/10/09/dispatches-why-ecuador-treating-rape-victims-criminals

[ZombieHorde]

24. The quote is just Snoden thanking the coutries that have offered him asylum.

Read the article and you will see.

[Cha]

67. "Dispatches: Why is Ecuador Treating Rape Victims Like Criminals?" Good ol Ecuador..

From your link, OKNancy..

October 9, 2013

"Human Rights Watch found, in a report published in August 2013, “Rape Victims As Criminals: Illegal Abortion after Rape in Ecuador,” that criminal penalties for abortion in Ecuador’s current criminal code drive women and girls to have illegal and unsafe abortions, thwarting Ecuador’s efforts to reduce maternal mortality and injury"

More..
http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/10/09/dispatches-why-ecuador-treating-rape-victims-criminals


thank you, Nancy.. but, what does ES know or care when groveling to these countries like Russia and Ecuador?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

8. So does Amurka. But, our advertising about it is better.

Except when whistle blowers like Snowden, Manning, Ellsberg, and Assange blow our cover.

[Exciting Trip]

10. Your intention backfired

The rec's are in support of Snowden's statement. Will this be the second thread today which you had to delete because readers didn't "get" your intention?

[Cali_Democrat]

11. Keeping tabs on me, eh? Oh....welcome to DU!

[11 Bravo]

18. Cool! You've got a newbie stalker! How come I never get one of those?

[zappaman]

76. Not any more.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=311623

[Cha]

83. HAHA.. and Another Bites THe DUST..

thanks zappa

[ProSense]

86. Well,

"My smiley is smiling harder. "

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024427457#post26

[Cha]

88. What a

Trip!

[dionysus]

85. sniff.. they grow up so fast.. sniff...

[zappaman]

12. Just wondering...

What was your previous DU handle?

[Bobbie Jo]

56. Welcome back again. nt

[leftynyc]

70. And how would you know that?

My rec was for reminding people that Snowden's views on human rights is very selective.

[stevenleser]

78. Thou hast disrupted poorly

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=311623&sub=trans

Here is your reward...

[rhett o rick]

13. Another whistle-blower hate thread. They are becoming more frequent. Smells like desperation. nm

[babylonsister]

15. No, it just smells like the opposite of your opinion,

which we're all entitled to.

[rhett o rick]

27. I wonder about this obsession with Snowden and Greenwald. You'd think there werent

any serious issues to discuss. Anything to keep from discussing the TPP.

Actually Snowden is old news. He pointed out that the NSA was violating the Constitution. But some think that if they disparage Snowden and Greenwald enough (day after day) then maybe we will forget that the curtain was pulled back exposing a NSA without controls. I guess for some denial is the only way to deal with life.

[Whisp]

16. And what do Snowden's words smell like to you?

These nations, including Russia, Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Ecuador have my gratitude and respect for being the first to stand against human rights violations carried out by the powerful rather than the powerless.
---

Have you come up with another explanation of what his words mean yet? I know it's a daunting task, but I also know if anyone can do it, you can.

[zappaman]

17. Lol!

You bad authoritarian you!

[ZombieHorde]

23. He's talking about the countries that have offered him asylum.

"Thank you for offering me asylum, listed countries." That is what he is saying.

[treestar]

36. the first to stand against human rights violations?

Sounds like they are getting a bit more credit than you attribute. But then Snowy does have a way with exaggeration.

[thesquanderer]

44. The first to stand against the human rights violations against HIM.

You can see that context if you go to the link and read the full paragraph and the one that follows.

[treestar]

60. there have been none against him

He just thinks he's above the law. The law applying to him is not a violation of his human rights.

[thesquanderer]

68. He feels there have, and that's why he says "first"

This particular point has nothing to do with whether you agree or disagree with Snowden, it's about reading comprehension.

[Luminous Animal]

40. How dare you make a logical and intelligent contribution to this discussion.

[Marr]

29. They've been getting worse lately. It's kind of sad.

Though I have to admit, I got a laugh out of the one today who compared Snowden to Mohammed Atta.

[rhett o rick]

34. They dont seem to be able to discuss issues, only spew hatred for whistle-blowers.

Whistle-blowers that disturb their denial bubbles. Just ask them about an issue.

[frwrfpos]

52. its not denial bubbles

they are not in denial.

we are all being played hard.

take a hard look at what posts and what RW shit is being allowed here on a daily basis


This is deliberate

[ucrdem]

14. next up: China, sweet land of liberty.

Let freedumb ring!

[rhett o rick]

20. Isnt that what the globalists are singing? Those that support the TPP. How do you stand

on the TPP?

[ucrdem]

33. Speaking of desperation, that's a stretch.

In any case I'd rather let the Obama administration handle foreign policy than Greenwald and his bazilionaire pals. I didn't vote for Snowball and I don't appreciate his rather transparent teabaggery.

[rhett o rick]

37. See there's where we have a problem. You are trying to equate the Obama administration's

try at pushing a trade agreement down our throat without public input, without debate with Snowden's revelations about NSA transgressions. I dont have to like Snowden or Greenwald to recognize that the NSA has a huge problem. But apparently some here want to blindly trust both Obama's handling of the TPP and Gen Clapper's handling of the NSA.

Blind trust isnt an attribute of a politically liberal person. Choosing blind loyalty over principles, means one doesnt have principles.

[treestar]

38. Desperate change of subject attempt

What does Snowball think of the TPP? We have to know so we can follow him rather than deciding for ourselves.

[rhett o rick]

45. You try to use hatred of Snowden as an excuse for not discussing issues. You and

the Group's constant hatred threads are sad and childish. Do you even consider yourself as "politically liberal"?

[treestar]

61. Thread is not about the TPP

You were desperate to change the subject. Your ad hominems are not worthy of response.

[Cali_Democrat]

22. LOL. That picture is priceless! nt

[rhett o rick]

46. Yes she is saying "thumbs up for Obama and the TPP". nm

[Cali_Democrat]

47. hahahahahahaha

try harder

[rhett o rick]

49. Sid called a moratorium on the ROLF emoticon. Didnt you get the message? Ooops,

someone is in trouble.

Out of curiosity why wont take a stand on the TPP, and/or the XL-Pipeline?

[zappaman]

50. What the fuck does the TPP have to do with this thread, Rick?

Is that all you can do is derail?
Oh, don't forget to call everyone who disagrees with you an "AUTHORITARIAN".

One more thing, buddy....

[rhett o rick]

63. Grow up. nm

[zappaman]

65. Don't tell me what to do.

What are you...some kind of authoritarian?

[rhett o rick]

74. I dont think you are here to enter honest discussions. I dont know or care what

your agenda is, but "Krusty aint gonna play that game." Ignore is my friend.

[zappaman]

75. Do what you need to do, my authoritarian friend.

[Cali_Democrat]

51. ....

[SidDithers]

71. ...

Making shit up again, rick?

Sid

[Historic NY]

21. FAUX News story....

really, what are they feeding him there.

[ZombieHorde]

30. The quote is just Snoden thanking the coutries that have offered him asylum.

You seemed to have read the article, so you probably know this. Why would you distort the content of the article? How do you justify that to yourself?

[Rex]

91. Your answer is in the beginning posts.

Notice what they bring up, before anyone else actually posted? I do.

[Scootaloo]

31. ^some

...You know, just like most other countries? Some human rights violations are opposed, others are supported.

For instance here in the US, we think using death robots to blow up civilians is A-OK... at least so long as those civilians are Muslims.

[Jamaal510]

32. LOL dumbass. nt

[Cha]

35. Fucking little Putin Sycophant.

[davidpdx]

39. +1

[frwrfpos]

53. go get them commies!

love some right wing Capitalism for me this Valentines Day

gotta keep up Regans cold war

[Cha]

41. It's just Snowden being a groveling toady to Putin.. that bastion of Human

Rights.

"These nations, including Russia, Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Ecuador have my gratitude and respect for being the first to stand against human rights violations carried out by the powerful rather than the powerless."

It's written in fucking plain English but the pretzel people will laud him for it because you know.. it doesn't mean what it says in black and white.

mr fucking snowden can do no wrong. that's not the first time ES Lies nor will it be the last.

[thesquanderer]

43. It sounds like you didn't click the link to read it in context.

"What it says in black and white" is something different when you don't take it out of its context.

To save you the trouble of clicking on a link, here's a portion of it:

------

Since that time, the government and intelligence services of the United States of America have attempted to make an example of me, a warning to all others who might speak out as I have. I have been made stateless and hounded for my act of political expression. The United States Government has placed me on no-fly lists. It demanded Hong Kong return me outside of the framework of its laws, in direct violation of the principle of non-refoulement – the Law of Nations. It has threatened with sanctions countries who would stand up for my human rights and the UN asylum system. It has even taken the unprecedented step of ordering military allies to ground a Latin American president’s plane in search for a political refugee. These dangerous escalations represent a threat not just to the dignity of Latin America, but to the basic rights shared by every person, every nation, to live free from persecution, and to seek and enjoy asylum.

Yet even in the face of this historically disproportionate aggression, countries around the world have offered support and asylum. These nations, including Russia, Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Ecuador have my gratitude and respect for being the first to stand against human rights violations carried out by the powerful rather than the powerless. By refusing to compromise their principles in the face of intimidation, they have earned the respect of the world. It is my intention to travel to each of these countries to extend my personal thanks to their people and leaders.

I announce today my formal acceptance of all offers of support or asylum I have been extended and all others that may be offered in the future.
-----

[Adrahil]

55. Nope, I read it. He's seriously sucking....

..... Umm.... Up. He could have said "thanks for the offer." Instead he jumped the shark.

[Cha]

57. then you'd be wrong. More of Snowden whining his damn head off about the USA.. fucking

little sneak thief has made this about him.

"I did not seek to sell US secrets.".. more LIes from ES.. whether he got money or he's Giving way Secrets to ingratiate his stupid ass with China, Russia and any other country who will take him is the point.


"Yet even in the face of this historically disproportionate aggression, countries around the world have offered support and asylum. These nations, including Russia, Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Ecuador have my gratitude and respect for being the first to stand against human rights violations carried out by the powerful rather than the powerless. By refusing to compromise their principles in the face of intimidation, they have earned the respect of the world. It is my intention to travel to each of these countries to extend my personal thanks to their people and leaders." kissing putin's butt.. shameful.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/edward-snowden-asylum-statement-human-rights-groups-un-venezuela-russia-moscow-airport-2013-7#ixzz2shahwGDX

Edward Snowden: Sanctimonious Lying Prick. ES is in Puin's pocket now.

[sheshe2]

62. Poor Wandering One~

For shame
For shame
For shame

Poor wandering one
Though thou hast surely strayed
Take heart of grace, thy steps retrace
Poor wandering one

Poor wandering one
If such poor love as mine
Can help thee find true peace of mind
Why, take it, it is thine

Read more: Linda Ronstadt - Poor Wandering One Lyrics | MetroLyrics

The Edster is so funny, Cha!

W hine...................

[Cha]

66. ES Is the "wandering" Hacker-Huckster,

she.. and no amount of fresh paint is going to cover his and greenwald's filthy profiteering lies. Remember ES thought he'd get a sweet gig in Iceland before that country said.. "NO.". So Russia was the only country who would take in poor hunted ES. According to him the USA wants to assassinated him.. and then another time he says the USA isn't afraid of him.. they're afraid of us. ES needs to get his stories straight.. but he shouldn't be taking lessons from Greenwald 'cause he can't keep his freaking shit straight, either.

Report Indicates Snowden/Greenwald Lied About Key Claims

"By now, we are all familiar with the big splash which resulted and continues to ripple from the fantastical claims made by Edward Snowden and his mouthpiece, Glenn Greenwald, about the ease with which the NSA's surveillance programs can be and are abused in order to eavesdrop on all of us, all the time, without a warrant, without authorization, and without consequence.


“I, sitting at my desk, certainly had the authorities to wiretap anyone, from you or your accountant, to a federal judge or even the President, if I had a personal e-mail.”

“All they have to do is enter an e-mail address or an IP address, and it does two things, searches the database and lets them listen to the calls or read the e-mails of everything that the NSA has stored, or look at the browsing histories and Google search terms.”

“It’s done with no need to go to court, no need to get approval . . . But it allows them to listen to whatever e-mails they want, telephone calls, browsing history, Microsoft Word documents.”

Despite these astonishing claims, Snowden and Greenwald have yet to provide any evidence of any actual, current abuses or illegalities, much less any abuses that are as easy and common as they suggested."

MOre..
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/09/1229963/-Report-Indicates-Snowden-Greenwald-Lied-About-Key-Claims

Snowed'em and GG don't need no stinkin' "proof".. they got suckers coming outta the woodwork tap dancing at a hundred miles an hour.

Poor ES is the Classic Whiner of All Time.. Good ol Putin must be loving all the Whining his prize catch is simpering about.

[randome]

73. Excellent post! (Other than the shirtless Putin pic.)

[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[Cha]

80. Check this out.. Ooooops!

LEAKERS JANUARY 19, 2014

Would You Feel Differently About Snowden, Greenwald, and Assange If You Knew What They Really Thought?

"And nearly as soon as Obama took office, Snowden developed a deep aversion to the new president. TheTrueHOOHA reacted furiously when Obama named Leon Panetta as his new director of central intelligence. But it was Panetta’s credentials he objected to, not his stance on surveillance matters. “Obama just named a fucking politician to run the CIA,” Snowden erupted. And he became furious about Obama’s domestic policies on a variety of fronts. For example, he was offended by the possibility that the new president would revive a ban on assault weapons. “See, that’s why I’m goddamned glad for the second amendment,” Snowden wrote, in another chat. “Me and all my lunatic, gun-toting NRA compatriots would be on the steps of Congress before the C-Span feed finished.”

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/116253/edward-snowden-glenn-greenwald-julian-assange-what-they-believe

YoungDemCA http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024467097#post10

[sheshe2]

59. poor Eddie...

[iandhr]

42. Just when I thought I heard it all.

[frwrfpos]

48. we need to bomb russia

those dirty left wing commies.


Go get em!


Evil Russians!
They hate us for our freedum!

[VanillaRhapsody]

58. He is need of help

I am really really beginning to think he is Aspergers...He seems more and more out of touch with reality.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

77. Bahahaha!

[dionysus]

81. you're just going to rile up the resident comrades, you know...

[Cha]

84. they've been riled

comrade pretzels are all over it!

[ProSense]

87. Snowden-Russian TBD 2016

[Cha]

89. Have you seen this, ProSense..

Why did it take a Democratic administration for Snowden to become a dissident?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4467097

[Rex]

90. Well lord knows America has made good friends out of all those countries!

Really he should just come out and say, "thank you to all the anti-American nations out there, without you I would be hanging upside down in an unknown prison facility in Syria right now with electrodes attached to my balls."

Okay, not the same message but really that is where he would be right now if not hiding out in a place we cannot reach him.

He will probably stay in Russia for decades.

[Cha]

96. Kick

[Cha]

97. Kick for exposing the hypocritical whining hypocrite

"The payoff of the Snowden affair for Putin and the Russians thus far has been substantial. Just as the Kremlin’s human rights reputation, already woeful under Putin, has spiraled downward, it is able to swoop in to rescue an American political outlaw, supposedly persecuted by the Obama administration. The dissident journalist Masha Gessen has observed, “The Russian propaganda machine has not gotten this much mileage out of a U.S. citizen since Angela Davis’s murder trial in 1971.”\

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4467097

Poor little Snowden.

Snowden is Putin's Propaganda Puppet..

[Cha]

98. Kick