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"Obama v. Reagan: Fun Comparison I Did To Piss Off Wingnuts on Reagan's B-day" (Original Post) ProSense Feb 2014 OP
"CEOs before Reagan made 78 times their minimum wage workers." NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author TransitJohn Feb 2014 #2
Kick! n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #3
they say it's your birthday ... napkinz Feb 2014 #4
Here is how Reagan ProSense Feb 2014 #30
K&R! sheshe2 Feb 2014 #5
Great piece. Too bad facts are anathema to conservatives. Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2014 #34
Great read! Thank you! SunsetDreams Feb 2014 #6
So, this says Obama is to the right of Reagan on many issues? PowerToThePeople Feb 2014 #7
Yes, ProSense Feb 2014 #8
Why do do people from "that group" PowerToThePeople Feb 2014 #9
What "group"? n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #10
You know... SunsetDreams Feb 2014 #13
projection is the single central symptom of conservative mental disorder. - n/t lapfog_1 Feb 2014 #11
His Birthday was what prompted me to post the thread Raygun Worst President Ever kairos12 Feb 2014 #12
Not even Reagan killed 4500 Americans in a useless war to avenge his father. nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2014 #14
Raygun is probably the worst president in American history. Nanjing to Seoul Feb 2014 #15
I agree that he was the beginning of the end..... llmart Feb 2014 #21
We're still feeling Raygun's policies. Most of Bush's have been repudiated. Nanjing to Seoul Feb 2014 #23
September 11th happened on W's watch..... llmart Feb 2014 #24
i will agree, but i do believe we will see something worse than them. American voters Nanjing to Seoul Feb 2014 #26
Worst POTUS since Nixon, worst ever for the countries health. Rex Feb 2014 #32
just ftr- the welfare queen thing was true. she was a con artist and a criminal. mopinko Feb 2014 #16
I was going to respond heaven05 Feb 2014 #20
without a doubt. without a tiny doubt. mopinko Feb 2014 #22
Loved. Loved. Loved, that! ffr Feb 2014 #17
excellent ammunition heaven05 Feb 2014 #18
Re: your photo of Reagan with the Taliban. Who is the woman in the picture with an unveiled face? maddiemom Feb 2014 #19
It's stupid to blame Reagan for things that Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama could have stopped, but did not. reformist2 Feb 2014 #25
It's "stupid" not to blame Reagan for the shit he did. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #28
"It's been 25+ years since that person left office." Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #31
Today's problems are a result of THREE men! Rex Feb 2014 #33
K&R kristopher Feb 2014 #27
i've got a few republican friends that i grew up with and they adore ronnie. madrchsod Feb 2014 #29
And to think, Reagan was a liberal until I Dream of Jeanie's father Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2014 #35
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. "CEOs before Reagan made 78 times their minimum wage workers."
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 12:59 PM
Feb 2014
CEOs before Reagan made 78 times their minimum wage workers. Today, its almost 3500 times!

Without Reagan, America might have had the same income distribution we had in the 1970s, which would mean we would be averaging $120,000 annually--not $40,000.




Great comparison, but it's at least as tragic as it is fun.

Recommended.

Response to ProSense (Original post)

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
30. Here is how Reagan
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 05:52 PM
Feb 2014

fooled people with his bullshit tax increases. Yeah, he increased revenue, but it was on the backs of low-income Americans and seniors, including taxing unemployment benefits.

<...>

Another Reagan proposal that came in for criticism was the plan to tax all unemployment compensation. At present, such compensation - stemming from a job-related injury or illness - is taxed only if the recipient's adjusted gross income exceeds $12,000, or $18,000 for a married couple filing jointly.

http://www.nytimes.com/1985/05/30/business/reagan-s-tax-plan-one-way-or-another-plan-will-touch-just-about-everyone.html


<...>

During the 1970s, some policy studies had shown that the proportion of wages replaced by UC benefits on an after-tax basis was large enough to erode a claimant’s work incentive.8 Taxation of UC benefits served to reduce the degree of after-tax wage replacement and reduce the work disincentive effect. However, UC benefits of lower-income claimants remained untaxed because their total income was under the tax threshold (i.e., their standard deduction and personal exemptions offset their income).

In 1982, Congress lowered the AGI thresholds for taxation of UC benefits. The Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982 (P.L. 97-248) reduced those thresholds to $12,000 for single filers and $18,000 for joint filers.9 A primary motivation of this legislation was to raise revenue, but it left in place a policy of protecting lower-income claimants from taxation of UC benefits.10

Congress made UC benefits fully taxable in the Tax Reform Act of 1986 (P.L. 99-514), effective for benefits received after December 31, 1986. Although this action reversed the original policy of taxing UC benefits only above an AGI threshold, it occurred in the context of a law that removed many low-income filers from the tax rolls, lowered the marginal tax rates for the majority of taxpayers, and expanded eligibility for the earned income credit. The rationale for full taxation of UC benefits was to treat UC benefits the same as wages and to eliminate the work disincentive caused by favorable tax treatment for UC benefits relative to wages.11

Concern about claimants’ cash flow problems caused by the lack of tax withholding from UC benefits arose during the 1990-1991 recession. P.L. 102-318 required states to inform all new claimants of their responsibility to pay income tax on UC benefits and to provide them with information on how to file estimated quarterly tax payments. In 1994, P.L. 103-465 required states to withhold federal income tax from UC benefits if a claimant requested withholding, and permitted states to withhold state and local income taxes. P.L. 103-465 set the federal withholding rate at 15% of the gross benefit payment amount. The federal withholding rate was changed to 10% by the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 (EGTRRA; P.L. 107- 16) effective August 7, 2001.

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RS21356.pdf

<...>

Q3. Which political party started taxing Social Security annuities?

A3. The taxation of Social Security began in 1984 following passage of a set of Amendments in 1983, which were signed into law by President Reagan in April 1983. These amendments passed the Congress in 1983 on an overwhelmingly bi-partisan vote.

The basic rule put in place was that up to 50% of Social Security benefits could be added to taxable income, if the taxpayer's total income exceeded certain thresholds.

The taxation of benefits was a proposal which came from the Greenspan Commission appointed by President Reagan and chaired by Alan Greenspan (who went on to later become the Chairman of the Federal Reserve).

The full text of the Greenspan Commission report is available on our website.

President's Reagan's signing statement for the 1983 Amendments can also be found on our website.

A detailed explanation of the provisions of the 1983 law is also available on the website.

- more -

http://www.ssa.gov/history/InternetMyths2.html


The top tax rate was lowered from 50% to 28% while the bottom rate was raised from 11% to 15%. [4] Many lower level tax brackets were consolidated, and the upper income level of the bottom rate (married filing jointly) was increased from $5,720/year to $29,750/year. This package ultimately consolidated tax brackets from fifteen levels of income to four levels of income.[5] This would be the only time in the history of the U.S. income tax (which dates back to the passage of the Revenue Act of 1862) that the top rate was reduced and the bottom rate increased concomitantly. In addition, capital gains faced the same tax rate as ordinary income.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Reform_Act_of_1986



sheshe2

(83,708 posts)
5. K&R!
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:56 PM
Feb 2014

So what's the verdict? Conservatives love affair with Reagan and their hate affair with Obama seems to be bassackwards.

I submit it was REAGAN who was the illegal amnesty-supporting, gun control loving, deficit spending, tax raising, terrorist coddling coward. (As for support of "traditional family values", Obama has a great relationship with his family--Reagan was the first divorced president and was estranged from his children.)

Challenge a conservative to disprove anything I mentioned here. I supported it with the facts. Just be prepared for all kinds of name-calling.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/07/1275771/-Obama-v-Reagan-Fun-comparison-I-did-to-piss-off-a-wingnut-on-Reagan-s-B-day#

SunsetDreams

(8,571 posts)
6. Great read! Thank you!
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:56 PM
Feb 2014

I enjoyed reading that very much. I get so sick of the Reich Wing building up Reagan to be some sort of savior. He gets trotted out so much, he should have whiplash at how fast they pull him in and out of the grave.

I love how that article backs it up with indisputable facts.

Thanks

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
7. So, this says Obama is to the right of Reagan on many issues?
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 02:00 PM
Feb 2014

I would never have guessed.

Star Member ProSense (110,865 posts)

"Obama v. Reagan: Fun Comparison I Did To Piss Off Wingnuts on Reagan's B-day" [View all]
Obama v. Reagan: Fun Comparison I Did To Piss Off Wingnuts on Reagan's B-day
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/07/1275771/-Obama-v-Reagan-Fun-comparison-I-did-to-piss-off-a-wingnut-on-Reagan-s-B-day

Oodles of fun.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
8. Yes,
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 02:04 PM
Feb 2014

"So, this says Obama is to the right of Reagan on many issues? I would never have guessed."

...Reagan was dreamy and his policies did the country a world of good. Reagan, last liberal President. Damn that Obama for coming along and screwing with perfection.

Thanks Obama.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
9. Why do do people from "that group"
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 02:13 PM
Feb 2014

always try to put words in my mouth that I never say?

Star Member ProSense (110,867 posts)
8. Yes,

"So, this says Obama is to the right of Reagan on many issues? I would never have guessed."

...Reagan was dreamy and his policies did the country a world of good. Reagan, last liberal President. Damn that Obama for coming along and screwing with perfection.

Thanks Obama.

SunsetDreams

(8,571 posts)
13. You know...
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 02:32 PM
Feb 2014

The e-LEMON-ators. They just swoosh in on their yellow carpet ride and eliminate someones thoughts and insert their own.

kairos12

(12,849 posts)
12. His Birthday was what prompted me to post the thread Raygun Worst President Ever
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 02:27 PM
Feb 2014

Your story made my day. thanks.

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
23. We're still feeling Raygun's policies. Most of Bush's have been repudiated.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 03:48 PM
Feb 2014

Raygun is even more loathesome than Bush Lite.

llmart

(15,535 posts)
24. September 11th happened on W's watch.....
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 03:51 PM
Feb 2014

I agree that Raygun's policies were disastrous and are still being felt today, but we're still feeling the affects of Dumbya's disastrous economic policies too.

Let's just agree they were both disastrous presidents and hope we never see the likes of them again.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
32. Worst POTUS since Nixon, worst ever for the countries health.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 06:12 PM
Feb 2014

I'm sure many people will debate and say Dubya was the worst, which might be true.

mopinko

(70,067 posts)
16. just ftr- the welfare queen thing was true. she was a con artist and a criminal.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 03:13 PM
Feb 2014

someone was just doing a book tour of the whole story of this woman. the cadillacs and all were a small part of the story.

that he used her to tar everyone on any kind of assistance is absolutely true. and ridiculous.
but she was real.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
20. I was going to respond
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 03:38 PM
Feb 2014

but it's not worth it. There were/are welfare queens of all races. To pick her out is suspect to say the least.

mopinko

(70,067 posts)
22. without a doubt. without a tiny doubt.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 03:48 PM
Feb 2014

i'm just saying. she was mostly a chicago criminal is why i even know about her, i think.

eta, it seems all the more pathetic to me to know the true story. she was a very well rounded criminal, period. she may have even murdered someone. how she could be a stand in for anyone but herself is just bizarre.

ffr

(22,665 posts)
17. Loved. Loved. Loved, that!
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 03:19 PM
Feb 2014

Our "spend and spend' Republican ideals of the past. Wonderful write-up Prosense!

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
19. Re: your photo of Reagan with the Taliban. Who is the woman in the picture with an unveiled face?
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 03:38 PM
Feb 2014

She was obviously with the Taliban, so I keep wondering what HER story was.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
25. It's stupid to blame Reagan for things that Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama could have stopped, but did not.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 04:00 PM
Feb 2014

Today's problems are not the result of one man, not even one man's policies. It doesn't matter that "it all started" under a certain person's watch. It's been 25+ years since that person left office. If we haven't been able to stop let alone reverse even the most damaging of his policies, then shame on us.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
31. "It's been 25+ years since that person left office."
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 06:08 PM
Feb 2014

It's been 25+ years of propaganda about that era.

It's become a mythical age where money fell from the sky, DC gleamed with a holy light and the whole world bowed to our military might led by a white cowboy hat.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
29. i've got a few republican friends that i grew up with and they adore ronnie.
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 04:31 PM
Feb 2014

since we live in his hometown i'm going facebook this so they see this. whenever i get the chance i rub it in.

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