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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 08:34 AM Feb 2014

$2.13 Is the Tipping Point -- America's Food Servers Are Grossly Underpaid

http://www.alternet.org/books/behind-kitchen-door-excerpt

Right now, earning $2.13 per hour, I don’t have enough for my kids, I can’t put them through college. I barely have enough to put food on the table.
—Server, Man, New Orleans

I’m not even worth one cheeseburger an hour.
—Busser, Man, Six Years in the Industry, Chicago

We don’t usually think of food service workers as poor, if we think of them at all.

I used to be a bad tipper. Even though I ate out frequently, I didn’t understand what tipping really meant. Part of me resented the whole idea. Weren’t servers being paid for their jobs? Why did I need to pay more than the price of my meal? Wasn’t service part of the menu price? I worked hard for my money, and eating out was a guilty pleasure, so feeling compelled to leave something extra just didn’t seem right. If I left $5 for a $40 meal, I felt good about myself.

It took me years to understand how tipping really works. First, I learned that my $5 is shared by many different people: the waiter who takes my order, the runner who brings out my food, and the bussers who clean my table and refill my bread basket and water. In some restaurants, the waiter has to ask a bartender to prepare the drinks, and a barback may assist. In the finest fine-dining restaurants, a captain greets customers and oversees the service they receive. All those workers get a piece of my $5.

Here’s the worst part: the federal minimum wage for tipped workers is $2.13 an hour. That means the federal government permits restaurants nationwide to pay tipped workers an hourly wage of only $2.13, as long as the workers’ tips make up the difference between $2.13 and the federal minimum hourly wage of $7.25. If the tips do not cover the difference, the employer is supposed to pay it. In 32 states, the tipped minimum wage is actually higher than the federal tipped minimum wage (e.g.,$2.65 or $4.25 an hour), and in 7 states the minimum wage is the same for tipped and nontipped workers.1 However, 13 states operate under the federal tipped minimum wage of $2.13, and another 8 states have a tipped minimum wage of less than $3.00 an hour. Thus, 21 states—almost half of the United States—allow restaurants to pay their employees less than $3.00 an hour. In several of those states, there is no state minimum wage at all. That means some restaurants in these states can get away with not paying their workers anything! As long as these restaurants bring in less than $500,000 in revenue annually (and therefore don’t fall under the purview of federal law), they can force their workers to live entirely off their tips.
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$2.13 Is the Tipping Point -- America's Food Servers Are Grossly Underpaid (Original Post) xchrom Feb 2014 OP
It is a problem in some restaurants pipoman Feb 2014 #1
Well that can happen el_bryanto Feb 2014 #2
We don't share tips with anyone pipoman Feb 2014 #3
You can consistently count on minimum wage, Ms. Toad Feb 2014 #20
And your restaraunt isn't typical. marble falls Feb 2014 #9
It's been true in most states as recently as Oct. 2011 PotatoChip Feb 2014 #23
The problem is that Congress also works for tips and the ones tipping them don't tip anyone else Fumesucker Feb 2014 #4
+1 Scuba Feb 2014 #5
+1 daleanime Feb 2014 #6
This is why I always overtip (according to people who go out with me) Bettie Feb 2014 #7
I have a collection of $0 pay checks. I've had owners tell me how much tips I had to declare.... marble falls Feb 2014 #8
Assuming you did not make the amount you were told to declare, Ms. Toad Feb 2014 #14
I have always declared my income accurately. That means my social security check is a lot .... marble falls Feb 2014 #28
On those dead nights, Ms. Toad Feb 2014 #29
Yep. My employers broke whatever laws their lobbiests couldn't get sweetened. And I watched .... marble falls Feb 2014 #31
I know the financial reality - Ms. Toad Feb 2014 #33
thanks for helping us all out, she who cares for my brother takes care of me. marble falls Feb 2014 #34
Yes it is, and that brings us to the next topic. Just try to have those laws enforced. n/t Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #35
Yup. Ms. Toad Feb 2014 #36
Trust me on this, in large areas of the country even the pathetically weak labor and wage laws Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #37
I think the wait staff.... ReRe Feb 2014 #10
Minnesota (where I live) and a few other states Jenoch Feb 2014 #32
Well, good on Minnesota... ReRe Feb 2014 #39
Move to Washington. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #11
When I ravel to Europe I tip very little because wait staff are paid a good deal more than what CTyankee Feb 2014 #13
That is the way to go! In Texas, I tip fast-food (when I occasionally eat it) workers Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #17
k/r marmar Feb 2014 #12
I was a waitress when the minimum wage was 2.01 an hour LittleGirl Feb 2014 #15
That sucks. I hope it's better, now. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #19
It's my understanding that the Feds made some kind of deal with the Resturant Association SomethingFishy Feb 2014 #16
It is a HUGE problem with Sonic Drive-Ins. My daughter worked for Sonic and made server wages. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #18
People have the suckiest reasons for not tipping. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #21
K&R never less than 20% and always in cash! mountain grammy Feb 2014 #22
30% here for the trifecta: fast service, good food and kid friendly. karadax Feb 2014 #38
Anyone that has worked in food service.... AnneD Feb 2014 #24
there you are! you know we've been asking after you. nt xchrom Feb 2014 #25
Kick, Rec. nt Smarmie Doofus Feb 2014 #26
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch.....nt Enthusiast Feb 2014 #27
It's hardly just food servers TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #30
I was a manager at Shoney's in 1985 in SC... wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #40
 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
1. It is a problem in some restaurants
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 09:30 AM
Feb 2014

Not so much in many.

Thus, 21 states—almost half of the United States—allow restaurants to pay their employees less than $3.00 an hour.

Not true. Restaurant servers must make at least minimum wage.

Servers at my restaurant are the highest paid employees on staff, often earning more than I did as GM. They have a $3.33 base, $1 more than is required. With tips they usually earn over $12, and often earn over $15. Not get rich quick money, but far exceeds most entry level jobs in other fields in the area.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
2. Well that can happen
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 09:35 AM
Feb 2014

But it depends on the restaurant - and it depends on how full the restaurant is. And, crucially, it's not money you can count on consistently. If it snows really hard and the restaurant is empty for a week, waiters waitresses then have a lean week or two.

Bryant

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
3. We don't share tips with anyone
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 09:44 AM
Feb 2014

but the host who distributes the tips. .When we didn't share with them, we couldn't keep hosts, they all wanted to serve.

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
20. You can consistently count on minimum wage,
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 11:17 AM
Feb 2014

Because the law requires the employer to make up the difference if the restaurant is not full, or you had crappy tables which did not tip. And in many restaurants (as noted) on a regular basis you make more.

That said, I think it is a lousy system - and waitstaff should be paid a living wage, and restaurants should charge what it takes to pay that wage. (But - every time I say that, it doesn't take very long for some waitstaff to chime in that they don't want to go to to straight hourly.)

A system which leaves everything to chance, and to the honesty of waitstaff in reporting tips to their employer and the IRS - and to the employer who (as noted below) can blatantly violate the law by requiring his staff to report tips they haven't received or (I'm sure is the implication) be fired, and shifts the employer's burden to pay its employees to patrons of the establishment stinks, and is an invitation to game the system. When, as inevitably happens, people do game the system it creates both resentment at the gaming - and (rightfully) outrage that the system which is structured so that it needs to be gamed in order to make a living.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
23. It's been true in most states as recently as Oct. 2011
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 11:32 AM
Feb 2014

Thanks to Herman Cain.

Minimum-wage protections are an issue Cain knows intimately. In his work as the CEO of Godfather's Pizza and later as president of the National Restaurant Association, Cain worked diligently in Washington and in the media to see that low-wage restaurant workers could legally be paid as little as possible, as In These Times has noted. In fact, Cain's time in the restaurant business was marked by a long and largely successful battle against minimum-wage increases, and even today, some 15 years later, many of the nation's waiters and waitresses have Cain and the restaurant lobby to thank for a federal minimum wage of $2.13 for tipped workers.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/27/herman-cain-minimum-wage_n_1035157.html

Bettie

(16,090 posts)
7. This is why I always overtip (according to people who go out with me)
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 10:21 AM
Feb 2014

But, if someone is nice enough to bring me a meal and chat a few seconds, they deserve to be paid for the job. Ideally, they'd make a living wage, but since they don't, I tip what I can afford.

marble falls

(57,077 posts)
8. I have a collection of $0 pay checks. I've had owners tell me how much tips I had to declare....
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 10:26 AM
Feb 2014

on bad nights so they wouldn't have to make up to minimum, one of them telling me "it wouldn't be fair" if he had to.

marble falls

(57,077 posts)
28. I have always declared my income accurately. That means my social security check is a lot ....
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 09:14 PM
Feb 2014

more than the majority of waiters, who get less because they under-declared. I am talking about nights and lunches we tanked at. I live in a resort area we have fat seasons and we have dead seasons including Lent. I paid taxes on money I never got and I paid taxes on money I tipped to expeditors, busboys, cooks (my choice), bar, and hostesses. $15.00/hr sounds grand but that's day by day on five shifts of five to six hours that includes and hour or so of "side work" that means I make trays of salads, dressing, garnishes, sauces and portioning. I mop kitchen floors for a half hour before going home, too. On dead nights for $2.13 I scrub chairs, move furniture for cleaning washing mirrors and windows. And then get sent home early and told how much money to declare I did not make and get to pay taxes on on that phantom money.

I was also a single custodial dad of two kids.

My experience trumps your doubts. I also have doubts about waiters where you worked that out earned GMs.

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
29. On those dead nights,
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 04:38 AM
Feb 2014

your employer is violating the law by requiring you to declare tips you have not earned - and your employer is required to pay you the difference. Whether you rock that particular boat as an employee is a difficult decision - but as a former employee (based on your verb tense and current social security), if you are still within the statute of limitations and you have kept good records, you might consider making a formal report of the violation of labor laws in order to make life better for those who are still being illegally required to report tips they are not earning..

As for reporting tips you actually take home, you have the power to remedy that. You are correct - it will mean a lower social security check in the long run - an issue your fellow waiters who are not reporting all of their tips often don't think about. My sister - a hair stylist - who has never reported all of her tips is living paycheck to paycheck recently due to a scuzzy ex who left her with debts. She will have to work well into retirement in part because her social security income will be based on reported income rather than the amount she was actually earning.

But, as to the remedy, the form you (or anyone in that situation) needs is Form 407A (http://www.sfs-md.com/images/form-4070-tips1.pdf)

I did taxes for a number of years - and never encountered a single tip earning taxpayer who tracked and reported on their tips beyond what was allocated to them by their employer.

(You also seem to be responding - in part - to someone other than me. I didn't come up with the $15.00/hour figure, or say anything about GMs. My contention was only that your employer was violating the law by requiring you to report tips you did not earn.)

marble falls

(57,077 posts)
31. Yep. My employers broke whatever laws their lobbiests couldn't get sweetened. And I watched ....
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 09:49 AM
Feb 2014

them fire and blackball waiters who got up on their legs to complain. And I never heard of any of my employers get gigged in any way over it. One of the last places I worked - about ten years ago - one of the nicest places in Austin, I got a raise from $1.13/hr to $2.13/hr and I thanked the owner for the raise not knowing (and he didn't tell me) the Feds forced him to give me. I was probably lucky he didn't fire me thinking I was a smart ass and/or the employee who turned him in. Don't tell me that retaliatory firing is illegal. It happens anyway and the employers all get away with it. The only time I ever felt I wasn't being used and abused was many years ago when I worked in a union shop and the AFL/CIO took care of us well.

There seems to be a nasty perception of tipped workers, that we make reams of money, cry "poor" and somehow don't earn our wages. I am sorry if my sensitivity about that made my interaction with you a bit rough. Because of your profession and your sister I know you might know more about the financial reality of what we face than 99% of folks. Thankyou for your interest in what we face.

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
33. I know the financial reality -
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 10:18 AM
Feb 2014

athough not personally. Through friends and family members. There are some who make bundles (realtively speaking) and many of those who do don't report it. But making bundles is dependent on a lot of things beyond your control, including having a boss who plays fair and doesn't insist you report tips you don't make, doesn't assign you only the AM or graveyard shift, working in a place which attracts people who have enough money to tip and enough social conscious to actually use their money in that way.

The only group of people who made me edgier at tax time were the people who had been paid as independent contractors, but who were really employees who should have had taxes withheld. They thought they'd had generous wages until I told them they had to pay ~15.3% of the money they no longer had for social security,and another 15% (generally) for a variety of local, state, and federal taxes.

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
36. Yup.
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 10:41 AM
Feb 2014

Best bet for enforcement is a complaint by a recently no-longer-employed person (or more than one) to the labor department. Because you know any current employee won't be an employee long.

Same dilemma faced by employees who are being paid as independent contractors when they face their first tax hit. I could have them use the tip form to report their income and save 7+% in SE taxes, but that was an immediate flag to the IRS to go collect the other half from the employer. (And filling out the SS8 to request a formal determination had the same result without the benefit of saving the taxes in the first place). Not the best move for making an employer happy - but in some instances it was the only option when the unexpected tax bill was higher than they could pay.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
37. Trust me on this, in large areas of the country even the pathetically weak labor and wage laws
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 10:47 AM
Feb 2014

that we do have are simply not enforced.

When the people elected and appointed to enforce them refuse do their job, the people we're talking about have no recourse at all, and this happens every day.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
10. I think the wait staff....
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 10:39 AM
Feb 2014

.... in all restaurants should be paid at least full minimum wage. The wait staff are on the front line when it comes to running a restaurant. There's more to it than just taking an order and serving it. And not everyone is cut out to do it. I was a waitress when I was young and it was one of the most rewarding jobs I ever had. I met people from all over the world and worked with some of the greatest people that ever walked this earth. And there was NO turn-over. We worked our butts off every day. Everyone I am related to are good tippers, as they remember the time I was a waitress. The rule I taught my children was that if you can't afford to tip,
then you don't go out to eat. Period. And it stuck.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
32. Minnesota (where I live) and a few other states
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 09:58 AM
Feb 2014

require waitstaff to be paid at least the minimum wage.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
39. Well, good on Minnesota...
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 04:50 PM
Feb 2014

... and the other states that do pay full minimum wage for waiters/waitresses!

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
11. Move to Washington.
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 10:55 AM
Feb 2014

We don't fuck around. This state has great safety nets, and the minimum wage is just one of them. We don't exempt wait staff from the state minimum wage, and ours is the highest in the nation. $9.32/hour. Driven yearly adjustments by CPI.

The ONLY exemption is 14- and 15-year-olds may be paid 85% of the minimum wage ($7.92) as youth/minor training workers.

Tipped and agricultural workers all get FULL state minimum wage.


I'd feel like a shitbag if I knew my server might be making a fraction of the federal minimum wage without me maybe or maybe not picking up the slack.

Tips should be service incentives, not sheer survival.

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
13. When I ravel to Europe I tip very little because wait staff are paid a good deal more than what
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 11:04 AM
Feb 2014

we pay here. Still, I like to leave them something extra because I am an American and I feel guilty, even tho the travel guides always tell you that the waiters are not expecting much of a tip. I consider it an appreciation of the service provided to me and of course, they are happy that I do.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
17. That is the way to go! In Texas, I tip fast-food (when I occasionally eat it) workers
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 11:09 AM
Feb 2014

because I know they make crap wages. When it's slow at my regular spots, I tip more than 20%. IIRC, at the end of the 60s, there was legislation passed to put all ag & food service workers under the min. Wage law. Nixon vetoed it. His campaign got a fat contribution from McDonalds, one place I don't patronize for several reasons.

LittleGirl

(8,282 posts)
15. I was a waitress when the minimum wage was 2.01 an hour
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 11:06 AM
Feb 2014

and I thought a bad night was making less than 10 bucks an hour in tips. Some nights, I'd get two tables and would walk out with 5 bucks in tips after 2 hrs. I hated working those nights. I had to work two jobs for a while when I was 25 and had strep throat for 5 months and couldn't shake it. My doctor told me I needed to quit one of my jobs and the waitress job was where I had health insurance. I quit that one and risked going without health care.

I had a collection of 0 paychecks because once I added all of my sales together and then taxes and insurance was taken out, there was 0 left. Some of my checks were -0 meaning that I owed the company for my health care and taxes. I only had to share my tips when we had big days like Mother's Day, New Year's Eve, Thanksgiving etc.

I just looked up my earnings statement from 1984 when I was 25 and had strep throat for months. My total earnings were
$5,795 and that was working two jobs. That wasn't net, that's what I earned according to Social Security. That was not what I took home. I made 3.35 an hr at the second job.

I was living alone, had a car payment and rent was 400 a month with utilities included. I had a tooth abscess and had to ask my Mother for the 300 dollars for the root canal.

The good ole days!

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
16. It's my understanding that the Feds made some kind of deal with the Resturant Association
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 11:08 AM
Feb 2014

to keep the federal tipped workers wage at 2.15 an hour.. Forever. From Wiki:

The National Restaurant Association, widely referred to as "the other NRA", is a powerful lobbying force in Washington and state capitals. It is very active in fighting efforts to raise the minimum wage, as well as laws requiring paid sick leave. In July 2013, it boasted that it had successfully lobbied against and stopped raises in the minimum wage in 27 out of 29 states, and blocked paid sick leave legislation in 12 states.[5] It also takes credit for preventing any increase in the federal minimum wage for tipped employees, which has remained at $2.13 per hour since 1991

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
18. It is a HUGE problem with Sonic Drive-Ins. My daughter worked for Sonic and made server wages.
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 11:11 AM
Feb 2014

The problem is, a lot of people look at Sonic as "fast food" and therefore there is no need to tip even though she skated your food out to you, took your payment and processed it, and returned to your car/table to see if there was anything else you needed.

Luckily, the Sonic that she worked at had bunches of regulars who tipped well. The Sonic by my house? Not so much. I was horrified to find out my cousin/neighbor has never tipped a Sonic server.

Remember... they are only paid pennies an hour. While the restaurant is required to make up the difference, a server not making up the difference in tips is put on probation and then fired.

Enjoy your Orange Cream Smoothies and tip responsibly.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
21. People have the suckiest reasons for not tipping.
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 11:18 AM
Feb 2014

Take-out customers think they are exempt from tipping. It's often more of a pain to prepare, sack up, check an order, and stop other services to clear a take-out -- all for nothing.

karadax

(284 posts)
38. 30% here for the trifecta: fast service, good food and kid friendly.
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 11:09 AM
Feb 2014

The instant win for anyone anywhere is if they front load our table with a mountain of napkins for our kids spills. I also make write notes on the receipt for superior service.

The cash thing I oppose. Under-the-table tips if unreported help one at the expense of the other. Always a paper trail.

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
24. Anyone that has worked in food service....
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 12:10 PM
Feb 2014

learns how hard it is. I have always tipped and tipped generously. I tip 20-25% minimum. I get pissed because I feel that I should not make up for the cheapness of the boss. Food service workers should be paid a decent wage. Tips should be extra, not instead of salary.

I tend to eat at the same places, and the staff know me. I took my Mom (who was visiting), to my favorite spot. Despite the crowding, we were seated promptly, I was greeted by name, and we received excellent service. Mom was impressed with the royal treatment. I had to laugh. We were treated like rock star royalty that night.

God help me, I even tip at a drive through sometimes. Now there are some folks that really need it.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
30. It's hardly just food servers
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 04:48 AM
Feb 2014

Any job where tips are received are stuck with this shit salary. That's a LOT of jobs besides serving food.


 

wildbilln864

(13,382 posts)
40. I was a manager at Shoney's in 1985 in SC...
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 04:55 PM
Feb 2014

& waitresses made just $2.01/hr then plus tips. I thought that was too low then.

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