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kpete

(71,978 posts)
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 03:47 PM Feb 2014

KRUGMAN: We Live In Age Of The Angry Billionaire-Furious If Anyone Suggests They Are Not Entitled

Inequality and Indignity

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Let’s talk, in particular, about dignity.

It’s all very well to talk vaguely about the dignity of work; but the idea that all workers can regard themselves as equal in dignity despite huge disparities in income is just foolish. When you’re in a world where 40 money managers make as much as 300,000 high school teachers, it’s just silly to imagine that there will be any sense, on either side, of equal dignity in work. And one demonstration of this reality is the angry reaction people like me get when we cite facts like this; nobody, and I mean nobody, on the right that I’ve encountered seems willing simply to accept the fact and argue that it’s justified. Instead, they regard pointing out the reality of extreme inequality as somehow inherently outrageous — because they know how explosive that reality is.

As it turns out, by the way, the people who seem least inclined to value work in itself, even if it doesn’t pay very well, are the winners: we live in the age of the angry billionaire, furious if anyone should suggest that his wealth doesn’t entitle him to acclamation as well as luxury.

Now, one way to enhance the dignity of ordinary workers is through, yes, entitlements: make it part of their birthright, as American citizens, that they get certain basics such as a minimal income in retirement, support in times of unemployment, and essential health care.

But the Republican position is that none of these things should be provided, and that if somehow they do get provided, they should come only at the price of massive government intrusion into the recipient’s personal lives — making sure that you don’t take advantage of health reform to work less, requiring that you undergo drug tests to receive unemployment benefits or food stamps, and so on.

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http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/11/inequality-and-indignity/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
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KRUGMAN: We Live In Age Of The Angry Billionaire-Furious If Anyone Suggests They Are Not Entitled (Original Post) kpete Feb 2014 OP
K&R.... daleanime Feb 2014 #1
Pointing out that the wealthy have been waging war on the rest of us is class warfare. Scuba Feb 2014 #2
The general class war was lost under Raygun, it is now a guerrilla campaign. kairos12 Feb 2014 #17
You're right. tclambert Feb 2014 #21
The robber barons benefited from the laborers work and thought they were entitled also. The Pope jwirr Feb 2014 #3
Krugman should know. bvar22 Feb 2014 #4
Good point. jwirr Feb 2014 #6
^ Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #19
^^^this^^^ L0oniX Feb 2014 #20
recommended nt arely staircase Feb 2014 #5
The right wing says if you are not a billionaire, you didnt work hard enough davidn3600 Feb 2014 #7
The real irony is... bvar22 Feb 2014 #9
It's weird when people ask me "how do you know if your poor?" reusrename Feb 2014 #10
Also - quite a few of America's current billionaires really didn't build it themselves. calimary Feb 2014 #30
Oprah also stood on the shoulders of all those who had come before her. bvar22 Feb 2014 #35
Or look at CNBC from the other day... elzenmahn Feb 2014 #43
That's what they say, but few of them really believe it. In their hearts they know it's BS. reformist2 Feb 2014 #51
The modern conservative has bought into two myths and like a dog with a bone, Vinnie From Indy Feb 2014 #52
k&r n/t RainDog Feb 2014 #8
K&R! Trickle down writ large. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #11
The French used to have a mechanical device to deal with this exact issue jsr Feb 2014 #12
the TGV! MisterP Feb 2014 #13
Bring back the National Razor. kairos12 Feb 2014 #16
A short ride in a tumbrel to the good doctor's invention will cure their sense of entitlement. hobbit709 Feb 2014 #18
History teaches harsh lessons to those governments that insist on income inequality... CTyankee Feb 2014 #32
The Romanov family sure found out how the Russians dealt with it... CTyankee Feb 2014 #34
JSR.... AnneD Feb 2014 #50
Parfait. jsr Feb 2014 #53
K&R Solly Mack Feb 2014 #14
Add another K&R suffragette Feb 2014 #40
As Thomas Frank put it: YoungDemCA Feb 2014 #15
But the Koch brothers worked so hard for their wealth! tclambert Feb 2014 #22
. libodem Feb 2014 #24
Excellent sign. tclambert Feb 2014 #25
+1 Jack Rabbit Feb 2014 #29
The irony is that Pappy Koch made his fortune working for Stalin! KansDem Feb 2014 #45
Anger is the standard response to a threat to unfair advantage. DirkGently Feb 2014 #23
Excellent point nikto Feb 2014 #42
Treasure-sucking parasites. aquart Feb 2014 #26
The wealthy don't seem to think it undignified to accept welfare themselves. Delusional egomaniacs. Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2014 #27
Divine Right of Kings is now Divine Right of Maximum Profit JHB Feb 2014 #28
They need classes in BILLIONAIRE ANGER MANAGEMENT. JEFF9K Feb 2014 #31
The comfort of the rich depends on a abundant suppy of the poor. - Voltaire Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #33
Someone was once on CNBC and it was asked, "Why to they hate Obama? He's made them rich."... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #36
I don't think the rich hate Obama at all. FiveGoodMen Feb 2014 #37
The public is starting to wake up that the Republicans are con artists. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #39
I certainly Name Unpronounceable Feb 2014 #49
+1 El_Johns Feb 2014 #46
, blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #38
Goose and Gander ? father founding Feb 2014 #41
Class War Obbopp Feb 2014 #44
In my best Zell voice; "I wish we lived in the day where you could challenge a person to a duel." adirondacker Feb 2014 #47
I have a less-than-funny feeling that this year. . . DinahMoeHum Feb 2014 #48
 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
2. Pointing out that the wealthy have been waging war on the rest of us is class warfare.
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 03:58 PM
Feb 2014

Leave those poor rich people alone!


tclambert

(11,085 posts)
21. You're right.
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 01:18 PM
Feb 2014

The top 20% own over 80% of the wealth. The next 20%, what I would think used to be the UMC, Upper Middle Class, own about 10%. The middle 20% own less than 5%. The lower middle class and the poor possess almost nothing at all.

This chart says so much:

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
3. The robber barons benefited from the laborers work and thought they were entitled also. The Pope
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 04:10 PM
Feb 2014

( I am not a Catholic) is totally correct about what he said about capitalism. If anyone looks hard enough both Martin Luther (Vocation) and John Calvin (Protestant Work Ethic) said the same thing.
The Bible but it plainly: I (God) did not give to you that you might be comforted but that you might comfort others.

We need feel no guilt about making these poor greedy people angry at us. Too bad.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
4. Krugman should know.
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 04:23 PM
Feb 2014

He helped create these monsters by supporting "Free Trade" and deregulated "Free Markets" back in the 90s.

I am glad to see he has walked back this support of Free Markets/Free Trade by pointing out the inevitable results,
but I would really like a column condemning the FRAUD of selling the myth of "Free Trade/Free Markets" to a gullible America by 3rd way/DLC/"New Democrats"/ Corporatist/ 1%ers.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
7. The right wing says if you are not a billionaire, you didnt work hard enough
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 04:46 PM
Feb 2014

In their worldview, the richer you are the harder you worked for it and the more you have contributed to society. If you are poor, then you are lazy and a moocher. That's how they view rich vs poor.

Im not joking. Go look at FreeRepublic.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
9. The real irony is...
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 05:12 PM
Feb 2014

...that most of the idiots posting over there don't have a pot to piss in.
But like unemployed Joe the Plumber and George Zimmerman, they STILL blame all those other poor people for being too lazy to be a Billionaire.
It is only a temporary accident that is forcing them to live in their parent's basement while waiting for their Billion Dollars to fall from the sky.
It is REAL important for these people to be able to blame somebody else for their problems.

I've also seen the photos of the FR Rallies they had back during the Bush Administration,
and they would be lucky enough to pool up enough change to go to McDonalds after the big Freeper Rally.


Sadly, more subtle Blame the Poor messagry appears regularly on the pages of DU.

 

reusrename

(1,716 posts)
10. It's weird when people ask me "how do you know if your poor?"
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 05:47 PM
Feb 2014

I respond with "how many meals have you missed?"

"Who's rich?" is only slightly more complicated: "those tax cuts for the rich would have amounted to over $30,000 per worker if divided equally among them, so I guess if you got more than that you are definitely rich."

calimary

(81,179 posts)
30. Also - quite a few of America's current billionaires really didn't build it themselves.
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 04:00 PM
Feb 2014

The koch brothers, the walton family, donald trump, and even at a "lower" level - folks like the romneys and the bushes, INHERITED their lavish and enviable head starts. All you can legitimately say about them is that they're all members of the Lucky Sperm Club, because they were lucky enough to be born into already-there, already-considerable wealth, status, and comfort. SOOOO typical of these folks who flatter themselves into thinking they're self-made. As we used to say about dubya: "born on third base. Thought he hit a triple."

People like Oprah on the other hand - nope. She worked for everything she now has. Damn hard, too. People like her I can respect, and they're deserving.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
35. Oprah also stood on the shoulders of all those who had come before her.
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 04:15 PM
Feb 2014

She was dependent on the Publicly Owned Airwaves and that infrastructure too, not to mention the Public Schools and teachers that educated her staff, supporters, and possibly herself.
If Oprah is a product of Private Schools, then she had help there too.

Nobody...NOBODY does it ALL on their own.

elzenmahn

(904 posts)
43. Or look at CNBC from the other day...
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 03:26 AM
Feb 2014

...I didn't get his name (it's better that I didn't), but one of the guests was saying pretty much what your post says, and goes further by saying that $35,000 per year is still rich in most of the world. If you make $35,000, you should be grateful, he says in essence.

Of course, he didn't take into consideration that wealth and income are relative concepts. Remember all those wheelbarrows of cash that were needed in Germany prior to WWII in order to purchase a loaf of bread?

Amazing how little understanding one can have when s/he sits in an ivory tower. Great view of the forest, but none of the trees.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
51. That's what they say, but few of them really believe it. In their hearts they know it's BS.
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 12:35 PM
Feb 2014

Sadly, they can admit the truth because they are deathly afraid of what that implies... that some sort of socialism is the only way to go.

Vinnie From Indy

(10,820 posts)
52. The modern conservative has bought into two myths and like a dog with a bone,
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 01:07 PM
Feb 2014

they will not give them up. The first is that they primarily vote for the GP because they have been told relentlessly that their tax dollars go to lazy people of color. The second is that the reason they are not part of the 1% is because of the all the money being given to lazy people of color. They simply cannot restrain their inner racist enough to see the truth. This is nothing new. Since time began, leaders have thrown the red meat of xenophobia and scapegoating to the masses and a certain percentage of humankind is highly receptive to that message.

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
50. JSR....
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 12:32 PM
Feb 2014

It is euphemistically referred to as the FRSP French Revolution Severance Package.....

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
22. But the Koch brothers worked so hard for their wealth!
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 01:26 PM
Feb 2014

Obviously they worked thousands of times harder than ungrateful normal people. And they are therefore thousands of times morally superior to lazy working people trying to support their families with three jobs. Really, don't we owe it to the Koch brothers to relieve them of any excess burdens of responsibility, like asking that their tar sands operations not poison the environment? We should all just relax and accept whatever our rich masters grudgingly give us.


extreme

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
45. The irony is that Pappy Koch made his fortune working for Stalin!
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 04:10 PM
Feb 2014
In 1925, Fred C. Koch joined MIT classmate Lewis E. Winkler at an engineering firm in Wichita, Kansas, which was renamed the Winkler-Koch Engineering Company. In 1927 they developed a more efficient thermal cracking process for turning crude oil into gasoline. This process threatened the competitive advantage of established oil companies, which sued for patent infringement. Temporarily forced out of business in the United States, they turned to other markets, including the Soviet Union, where Winkler-Koch built 15 cracking units between 1929 and 1932. During this time, Koch came to despise communism and Joseph Stalin's regime.[11][12] In his 1960 book, A Business Man Looks at Communism, Koch wrote that he found the USSR to be "a land of hunger, misery, and terror."[13] According to Charles G. Koch, "Virtually every engineer he worked with [there] was purged."[12]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_Industries


A land of "hunger, misery, and terror" but make me rich, Joey Baby!!!

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
23. Anger is the standard response to a threat to unfair advantage.
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 01:27 PM
Feb 2014

A rationale may or may not be invented to support it, but the heart of it is simply that those in whose favor the playing board is tilted do not like to contemplate any kind of leveling out.

The more justified the complaints, the more real the threat, and the greater the anger.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
26. Treasure-sucking parasites.
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 03:41 PM
Feb 2014

Millionaires are the sign of a healthy economy. Billionaires are the sign of a doomed one. If our billionaires were taxed back to millionaires, we would have a reliable electrical grid, really fast trains, safe bridges, good roads even in Texas (revenue sharing), single-payer healthcare,well-equipped schools, homes for our veterans, homes for our homeless, and no one would go hungry in the United States of America.

But we don't have the guts to piss off a Koch.

And, if the greedy bastards thought all the money would go in taxes, they'd raise salaries and bring jobs back home. Just for spite.

JHB

(37,157 posts)
28. Divine Right of Kings is now Divine Right of Maximum Profit
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 03:46 PM
Feb 2014

The biggest threat to these people is "Could you just slow down how fast you get more wealthy?"

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
36. Someone was once on CNBC and it was asked, "Why to they hate Obama? He's made them rich."...
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 06:07 PM
Feb 2014

The answer was that the rich feel Obama has caused the rich to be less loved than they feel they deserve.

This explains the attempt to install RMoney who got rich by sucking up to the rich.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
37. I don't think the rich hate Obama at all.
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 07:32 PM
Feb 2014

They know they're getting their way.

But moving the country ever farther to the right while claiming that it's too far left is their MO.

Obama's a Democrat so they put on a show of being against him.

That way, the angry, downtrodden public can misread the whole thing and believe that a GOP government would make things better.

All theater.

 

Obbopp

(2 posts)
44. Class War
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 02:12 PM
Feb 2014

What will be the spark that leads to Revolutionary War Two?

I fear the present systems within the USA; political, economic etc. have been corrupted beyond redemption with nothing short of destroying the old and starting anew the only way to make a human-friendly USA.

DinahMoeHum

(21,783 posts)
48. I have a less-than-funny feeling that this year. . .
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 11:17 PM
Feb 2014

. . . a member of the so-called "1-percent" will die at the hands of an angry, disgruntled, unemployed person.

You just don't go screwing around with an everyday person's dignity the way they do without eventual push-back.

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