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Inequality and Indignity...............
Lets talk, in particular, about dignity.
Its all very well to talk vaguely about the dignity of work; but the idea that all workers can regard themselves as equal in dignity despite huge disparities in income is just foolish. When youre in a world where 40 money managers make as much as 300,000 high school teachers, its just silly to imagine that there will be any sense, on either side, of equal dignity in work. And one demonstration of this reality is the angry reaction people like me get when we cite facts like this; nobody, and I mean nobody, on the right that Ive encountered seems willing simply to accept the fact and argue that its justified. Instead, they regard pointing out the reality of extreme inequality as somehow inherently outrageous because they know how explosive that reality is.
As it turns out, by the way, the people who seem least inclined to value work in itself, even if it doesnt pay very well, are the winners: we live in the age of the angry billionaire, furious if anyone should suggest that his wealth doesnt entitle him to acclamation as well as luxury.
Now, one way to enhance the dignity of ordinary workers is through, yes, entitlements: make it part of their birthright, as American citizens, that they get certain basics such as a minimal income in retirement, support in times of unemployment, and essential health care.
But the Republican position is that none of these things should be provided, and that if somehow they do get provided, they should come only at the price of massive government intrusion into the recipients personal lives making sure that you dont take advantage of health reform to work less, requiring that you undergo drug tests to receive unemployment benefits or food stamps, and so on.
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http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/11/inequality-and-indignity/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Leave those poor rich people alone!
kairos12
(12,849 posts)tclambert
(11,085 posts)The top 20% own over 80% of the wealth. The next 20%, what I would think used to be the UMC, Upper Middle Class, own about 10%. The middle 20% own less than 5%. The lower middle class and the poor possess almost nothing at all.
This chart says so much:
jwirr
(39,215 posts)( I am not a Catholic) is totally correct about what he said about capitalism. If anyone looks hard enough both Martin Luther (Vocation) and John Calvin (Protestant Work Ethic) said the same thing.
The Bible but it plainly: I (God) did not give to you that you might be comforted but that you might comfort others.
We need feel no guilt about making these poor greedy people angry at us. Too bad.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)He helped create these monsters by supporting "Free Trade" and deregulated "Free Markets" back in the 90s.
I am glad to see he has walked back this support of Free Markets/Free Trade by pointing out the inevitable results,
but I would really like a column condemning the FRAUD of selling the myth of "Free Trade/Free Markets" to a gullible America by 3rd way/DLC/"New Democrats"/ Corporatist/ 1%ers.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)davidn3600
(6,342 posts)In their worldview, the richer you are the harder you worked for it and the more you have contributed to society. If you are poor, then you are lazy and a moocher. That's how they view rich vs poor.
Im not joking. Go look at FreeRepublic.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)...that most of the idiots posting over there don't have a pot to piss in.
But like unemployed Joe the Plumber and George Zimmerman, they STILL blame all those other poor people for being too lazy to be a Billionaire.
It is only a temporary accident that is forcing them to live in their parent's basement while waiting for their Billion Dollars to fall from the sky.
It is REAL important for these people to be able to blame somebody else for their problems.
I've also seen the photos of the FR Rallies they had back during the Bush Administration,
and they would be lucky enough to pool up enough change to go to McDonalds after the big Freeper Rally.
Sadly, more subtle Blame the Poor messagry appears regularly on the pages of DU.
reusrename
(1,716 posts)I respond with "how many meals have you missed?"
"Who's rich?" is only slightly more complicated: "those tax cuts for the rich would have amounted to over $30,000 per worker if divided equally among them, so I guess if you got more than that you are definitely rich."
calimary
(81,179 posts)The koch brothers, the walton family, donald trump, and even at a "lower" level - folks like the romneys and the bushes, INHERITED their lavish and enviable head starts. All you can legitimately say about them is that they're all members of the Lucky Sperm Club, because they were lucky enough to be born into already-there, already-considerable wealth, status, and comfort. SOOOO typical of these folks who flatter themselves into thinking they're self-made. As we used to say about dubya: "born on third base. Thought he hit a triple."
People like Oprah on the other hand - nope. She worked for everything she now has. Damn hard, too. People like her I can respect, and they're deserving.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)She was dependent on the Publicly Owned Airwaves and that infrastructure too, not to mention the Public Schools and teachers that educated her staff, supporters, and possibly herself.
If Oprah is a product of Private Schools, then she had help there too.
Nobody...NOBODY does it ALL on their own.
elzenmahn
(904 posts)...I didn't get his name (it's better that I didn't), but one of the guests was saying pretty much what your post says, and goes further by saying that $35,000 per year is still rich in most of the world. If you make $35,000, you should be grateful, he says in essence.
Of course, he didn't take into consideration that wealth and income are relative concepts. Remember all those wheelbarrows of cash that were needed in Germany prior to WWII in order to purchase a loaf of bread?
Amazing how little understanding one can have when s/he sits in an ivory tower. Great view of the forest, but none of the trees.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Sadly, they can admit the truth because they are deathly afraid of what that implies... that some sort of socialism is the only way to go.
Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)they will not give them up. The first is that they primarily vote for the GP because they have been told relentlessly that their tax dollars go to lazy people of color. The second is that the reason they are not part of the 1% is because of the all the money being given to lazy people of color. They simply cannot restrain their inner racist enough to see the truth. This is nothing new. Since time began, leaders have thrown the red meat of xenophobia and scapegoating to the masses and a certain percentage of humankind is highly receptive to that message.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)jsr
(7,712 posts)kairos12
(12,849 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)CTyankee
(63,899 posts)CTyankee
(63,899 posts)once they had had enough!
It is euphemistically referred to as the FRSP French Revolution Severance Package.....
Solly Mack
(90,761 posts)suffragette
(12,232 posts)YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)"Pity the Billionaire" is the Tea Party philosophy.
tclambert
(11,085 posts)Obviously they worked thousands of times harder than ungrateful normal people. And they are therefore thousands of times morally superior to lazy working people trying to support their families with three jobs. Really, don't we owe it to the Koch brothers to relieve them of any excess burdens of responsibility, like asking that their tar sands operations not poison the environment? We should all just relax and accept whatever our rich masters grudgingly give us.
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tclambert
(11,085 posts)Congress: We may be corrupt. But we're not cheap.
Of course, any congressman in their employ should be laid off.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_Industries
A land of "hunger, misery, and terror" but make me rich, Joey Baby!!!
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)A rationale may or may not be invented to support it, but the heart of it is simply that those in whose favor the playing board is tilted do not like to contemplate any kind of leveling out.
The more justified the complaints, the more real the threat, and the greater the anger.
nikto
(3,284 posts)So true!
aquart
(69,014 posts)Millionaires are the sign of a healthy economy. Billionaires are the sign of a doomed one. If our billionaires were taxed back to millionaires, we would have a reliable electrical grid, really fast trains, safe bridges, good roads even in Texas (revenue sharing), single-payer healthcare,well-equipped schools, homes for our veterans, homes for our homeless, and no one would go hungry in the United States of America.
But we don't have the guts to piss off a Koch.
And, if the greedy bastards thought all the money would go in taxes, they'd raise salaries and bring jobs back home. Just for spite.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)JHB
(37,157 posts)The biggest threat to these people is "Could you just slow down how fast you get more wealthy?"
JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)The answer was that the rich feel Obama has caused the rich to be less loved than they feel they deserve.
This explains the attempt to install RMoney who got rich by sucking up to the rich.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)They know they're getting their way.
But moving the country ever farther to the right while claiming that it's too far left is their MO.
Obama's a Democrat so they put on a show of being against him.
That way, the angry, downtrodden public can misread the whole thing and believe that a GOP government would make things better.
All theater.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Name Unpronounceable
(39 posts)I certainly hope you are right, my friend.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)father founding
(619 posts)Farm managers who recieve subsidies should undergo drug tests
What will be the spark that leads to Revolutionary War Two?
I fear the present systems within the USA; political, economic etc. have been corrupted beyond redemption with nothing short of destroying the old and starting anew the only way to make a human-friendly USA.
adirondacker
(2,921 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,783 posts). . . a member of the so-called "1-percent" will die at the hands of an angry, disgruntled, unemployed person.
You just don't go screwing around with an everyday person's dignity the way they do without eventual push-back.