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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 09:23 PM Feb 2014

BREAKING: Rand Paul, along with crazy Larry Klayman, will sue Obama administration over NSA

Ken Cuccinelli will serve as lead counsel for the lawsuit!

Rand Paul Will File NSA Class-Action Lawsuit Wednesday in D.C.

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., announced in a Tuesday afternoon press release from his political action committee RAND PAC that he’s following through with a promised class-action lawsuit against the National Security Agency.

Paul will file the lawsuit alleging violations of Americans' Fourth Amendment rights in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., Wednesday morning.

It’s unclear if Paul’s lawsuit will target the NSA’s dragnet collection of phone records, its powerful Internet programs, or both.

<...>

It’s possible the Paul lawsuit will be heard in tandem with the most successful lawsuit challenging the NSA to date, a suit filed by conservative legal activist Larry Klayman. Klayman won a preliminary injunction against the phone program Dec. 16 from U.S. District Court Judge Richard Leon, who deemed the data collection an “almost Orwellian” violation of the Fourth Amendment. Leon stayed implementation of his ruling pending appeal.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/02/11/rand-paul-will-file-nsa-class-action-lawsuit-wednesday-in-dc?s_cid=rss:rand-paul-will-file-nsa-class-action-lawsuit-wednesday-in-dc


Most of you know Rand Paul. Here's some information for the folks who don't know Larry Klayman...


Larry Klayman, the lawyer behind NSA lawsuit, said Jews are behind gay marriage
Klayman: Jews Behind Gay Marriage, IRS Scandal


Larry Klayman is very upset that Jewish-Americans aren’t standing up to oppose “the Muslim-in-Chief,” and are instead “at the forefront of a number of scandals.” He said Jews are behind “the promotion of anti-family institutions like gay marriage” and working as President Obama’s “leftist Jewish government comrades and partners in crime.” After calling Obama “a Muslim through and through,” Klayman goes on to write that the IRS scandal was perpetrated by “felonious liberal Jews” who should be in prison:

Read more: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/klayman-jews-behind-gay-marriage-irs-scandal


Larry Klayman, the lawyer behind NSA lawsuit, sets date for coup against Obama
Flashback:

The conservative attorney and birther who called for a coup against President Barack Obama earlier this month has scheduled what he's describing as a "day of reckoning."

Larry Klayman wrote Monday in Renew America that he's established Nov. 19 as the date that Obama will be forced to answer for his "criminality" and "Muslim, socialist, anti-Semitic, anti-Christian, anti-white, pro-illegal immigrant, pro-radical gay and lesbian agenda."

Klayman said he hopes his supporters will "descend on Washington, D.C., en masse, and demand that leave town and resign from office if he does not want to face prison time."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/conservative-attorney-larry-klayman-sets-date-for-coup-against-obama



LOL: Klayman, the lawyer behind the NSA lawsuit, wants to sue CNN after his appearance on Tuesday

He calls a CNN host (Don Lemon) "a well-known ultra-leftist African-American political activist who pursues a LGBT sexual agenda.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024199972



Lawyer Behind NSA Lawsuit Once Sued His Own Mother, Believes Obama Is Kenyan Socialist Muslim

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024186148
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BREAKING: Rand Paul, along with crazy Larry Klayman, will sue Obama administration over NSA (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 OP
The R's will make hay with this issue in November. Scuba Feb 2014 #1
And remember, folks... MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #2
That isn't true at all Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #3
So explain that down to post 14... Pholus Feb 2014 #16
Glance downwards. Marr Feb 2014 #31
ugh. of course that's what you're saying and what you've used to attack cali Feb 2014 #40
When did I say that? Link? Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #43
I guess I am on the same side as Paul and Klayman on this topic! n-t Logical Feb 2014 #6
And since Cheney/Bush were for it AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #15
Another one bites the dust..... dawnie51 Feb 2014 #4
A tag team of CRAZY! JaneyVee Feb 2014 #5
I wonder if we'll get to see Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #9
Hope the room is well ventilated. That's some serious BS levels. FSogol Feb 2014 #12
It's gonna be good! Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #36
They are right to sue, but Rand Paul is doing this for attention. This is about 2016 for him. JRLeft Feb 2014 #7
Yep. The Senator will be hard to ignore. bemildred Feb 2014 #11
I really can't stand Rand Paul MFrohike Feb 2014 #8
LOL, did they check Cuccinelli's track record in court? FSogol Feb 2014 #10
Oh, this outta be good AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #13
No one that would align with this gaggle of extremist garbage should be considered our ally... TheMathieu Feb 2014 #14
Hitler loved dogs. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #17
Treason? Start talking, you owe some answers. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2014 #19
I am not your ally. Union Scribe Feb 2014 #32
You called Occupy "defunct" because of a single tweet that hurt your feelings. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #33
I thought teabaggers hated frivolous lawsuits. madinmaryland Feb 2014 #18
I had the very same thought. blue neen Feb 2014 #35
How sad that it's left to these shitheads to do the right thing (for the wrong reasons). nt DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2014 #20
Well when the liberals aren't doing it anti partisan Feb 2014 #22
No...I can assure you that having the equivalent of Orly Taitz filing a lawsuit of this type is not msanthrope Feb 2014 #34
These two are going to Jamaal510 Feb 2014 #21
"Proven" to be legal? (nt) anti partisan Feb 2014 #23
He means "Constitutional," but is otherwise spot on. n/t FSogol Feb 2014 #25
"Proven" is a terrible word to use anti partisan Feb 2014 #27
Maybe, but the Supreme Court signed off (an expression) so that's good enough proof for me. n/t FSogol Feb 2014 #28
I am unaware of this. My knowledge is pretty much in this article anti partisan Feb 2014 #29
The Supreme Court's decisions are a matter of opinion? Back to Civics class with you. FSogol Feb 2014 #37
Clearly their rulings come straight from God. Dred Scott? (nt) anti partisan Feb 2014 #38
You don't seem to be able to distinguish between Constitutionality and morality. FSogol Feb 2014 #39
So did that crazy right wing ACLU, The Nation, and HRW. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #24
A bunch of wingnuts they are (nt) anti partisan Feb 2014 #30
Hmmm so Congress makes law, underthematrix Feb 2014 #26
Unfortunately those 2 nutbars have plenty of company! Whisp Feb 2014 #41
The sad irony of this suit and the morons cheering it on Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #42
Want to sue Obama for gathering personal info? Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #44
Benghazi isn't working, and this is a nice stunt for re-election purposes. haele Feb 2014 #45
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
2. And remember, folks...
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 09:28 PM
Feb 2014

If you're against the NSA's project Spy On Everyone, then you're in favor of all the same things that Rand Paul,and Larry Klayman are in favor of.

Got it?

Regards,

Third-Way Manny

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
40. ugh. of course that's what you're saying and what you've used to attack
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 12:32 PM
Feb 2014

people with, over and over and over again.

Jaw droppingly disingenuous.

Amazing.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
15. And since Cheney/Bush were for it
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 09:50 PM
Feb 2014

If you defend of NSA spying, then your in favor of all the same things they stood for.

dawnie51

(959 posts)
4. Another one bites the dust.....
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 09:29 PM
Feb 2014

except for the moonbat baggers, I think Rand just disqualified himself for 2016 with everyone else.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
9. I wonder if we'll get to see
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 09:39 PM
Feb 2014

Rand Paul, Ken Cuccinelli and Larry Klayman together in the same room...

What a picture!!

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
11. Yep. The Senator will be hard to ignore.
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 09:41 PM
Feb 2014

He knows what he is doing, or thinks he does.

I don't doubt that he will botch it though, the lawsuit.

MFrohike

(1,980 posts)
8. I really can't stand Rand Paul
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 09:32 PM
Feb 2014

W was more of a constitutional scholar than the chia pet will ever be. He won't get past the standing issue, but plenty of idiots will be outraged when his bullshit case gets tossed because Mr. Dumbass doesn't understand law at all.*

*He could also be the most cynical politician in America as well. He could get a lot of mileage out of a guaranteed loss because too many people in this country don't bother to understand how their own judiciary works.

 

TheMathieu

(456 posts)
14. No one that would align with this gaggle of extremist garbage should be considered our ally...
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 09:47 PM
Feb 2014

And spare us the "Hitler loved dogs" bullshit.

That will not successfully deflect your treason to the left.

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
32. I am not your ally.
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 11:37 PM
Feb 2014

I've read enough of the liberal-baiting party warrior crap you've spewed since showing up to be able to say that unequivocally.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
33. You called Occupy "defunct" because of a single tweet that hurt your feelings.
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 11:39 PM
Feb 2014

I don't consider you my ally either.

And don't even get me started on your categorical rejection of basic logic and reasoning.

blue neen

(12,319 posts)
35. I had the very same thought.
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 12:03 AM
Feb 2014

You'd think that Mr. Paul and Mr. Cucinelli wouldn't want to spend the taxpayers' money.

Hypocrites.

anti partisan

(429 posts)
22. Well when the liberals aren't doing it
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 10:16 PM
Feb 2014

Then it's good that someone's there, even if its Larry "nuke Iran" Klayman.

The sad reality is that the most energy toward protecting civil liberties and privacy is coming from the Right now. We all know the reason too. That was the one good thing about Bush being President. Liberals acted like liberals.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
34. No...I can assure you that having the equivalent of Orly Taitz filing a lawsuit of this type is not
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 11:41 PM
Feb 2014

the 'right thing.' They'll fuck it up so bad that it will make the job for actual plaintiffs much harder, and thus, while Rand Paul gets to grandstand, his keeps his donors happy.

Do you really think this is competent legal filing?

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
21. These two are going to
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 10:15 PM
Feb 2014

make this country's legal system a bigger farce than it already is. I guess Larry suing CNN wasn't enough, huh?
Well, good luck Rand Paul and Larry Klans--I mean Klayman, in your attempt to sue the President over something that has already been proven to be legal. You'll need it.

anti partisan

(429 posts)
27. "Proven" is a terrible word to use
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 10:58 PM
Feb 2014

Different courts have come up with different rulings about the constitutionality of the program. To say one subjective interpretation has been "proven" correct is nothing short of a lie.

anti partisan

(429 posts)
29. I am unaware of this. My knowledge is pretty much in this article
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 11:07 PM
Feb 2014

(link)

Even if the Supreme Court does lean one way, it's still a matter of opinion, rather than an exact science.

If we are going to use the Supreme Court as a reason to hold our noses and vote Democrat, then we are tacitly admitting that the Supreme Court is a collective of people with political ideologies that often conflict and lead to different opinions. Considering who has been nominating the Justices, I wouldn't trust them to make what I feel is the right opinion any more than I'd trust Bush and Obama.

Fox News's primetime lineup could theoretically make up the Supreme Court, but would their authority legitimize their rulings?

FSogol

(45,473 posts)
39. You don't seem to be able to distinguish between Constitutionality and morality.
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 12:29 PM
Feb 2014

Good luck with Civics class.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
42. The sad irony of this suit and the morons cheering it on
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 12:42 PM
Feb 2014

Rand Paul is in a position to actually, you know, use his position as a senator to DO something but in today's congress showmanship is easier than real action...

I know Rand has quite a few vocal fans here...Where have they been lately??

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
44. Want to sue Obama for gathering personal info?
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 06:25 PM
Feb 2014

Sign onto Rand Paul's petition,...after you give him a bunch of personal information AND contribute to his PAC.

haele

(12,646 posts)
45. Benghazi isn't working, and this is a nice stunt for re-election purposes.
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 06:40 PM
Feb 2014

Get some red meat out there. Doesn't matter that he's not including the previous administration and heads who developed the system, and that suits to call it unconstitutional failed before they started back then (remember the secret NSA closet at that San Fransisco telecom site and the worker who outed the program back in the Bush administration?). So long as they can use NSA wiretaps as a cause celebe to whip up the base against this administration just in time for the November election cycle, it's worth it.

Besides, I think Rand thinks he's got another chance for the Big White House if he sues the President and the NSA now. He can run on the appearance that he's some sort of great saviour of the Constitution - see, look what he (supposedly) had the courage to do! Just like Orly Taitz! (Anyone can call a press conference and file a suit - whether or not it will get heard is another thing)

As for the lawyer Klaymen - he's just the same self-aggrandizing douche he always was.


Haele

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