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erpowers

(9,350 posts)
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 05:29 PM Feb 2014

A Question About the Michael Dunn Case

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As part of his defense, Michael Dunn is claiming that Jordan Davis opened the door of the vehicle he was in and started walking toward him. Does anyone know if the police have done an analysis to see if Davis was sitting or standing when he was shot? Maybe I am misinformed, but I thought the police could tell what position a person was in when he was shot. So, has anyone stated whether Jordan Davis was sitting or standing when he was shot?

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A Question About the Michael Dunn Case (Original Post) erpowers Feb 2014 OP
NPR said he was seated and leaning away from the door. n/t FSogol Feb 2014 #1
I believe the ME testified he was sitting in the back seat when he was hit. nt arthritisR_US Feb 2014 #2
But the defense argued ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #9
Did they really argue that? I missed that, wow.. arthritisR_US Feb 2014 #15
Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #17
That is some desperation! nt arthritisR_US Feb 2014 #18
Sitting in the back seat leaning away from the shooter. bravenak Feb 2014 #3
Dunn Is Not Just A Liar SoCalMusicLover Feb 2014 #5
I APOLOGIZE!!! bravenak Feb 2014 #7
he was seated in the car when he was shot through the door TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #4
What kind of deranged asshole shoots a car full of kids? Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #8
And then, the part about ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #10
There was also the child locks TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #11
But ... But ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #12
oh yes, soooo scared that he got out of his car TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #14
Thanks for posting the video ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #16
rarely do attorneys not cross a witness TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #19
DA has said that Davis was in the car and medical evidence proved it. sinkingfeeling Feb 2014 #6
along with the bullet holes through his door that killed him TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #13
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
17. Yep ...
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 07:57 PM
Feb 2014

the defense attorney argued it in his closing argument - questioning why the State didn't call another forensic expert that they had on the witness list.

The States attorney did a good job of not laughing in his rebuttal closing ... he just said, "A Medical Examiner is not a forensic expert? Really. That's what they do every day!"

 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
5. Dunn Is Not Just A Liar
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 05:47 PM
Feb 2014

He's A Murderer!!

Hoping the jury works through dinner and has a verdict by this evening, although I'm expecting it will be tomorrow. JUST GET IT RIGHT!

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
7. I APOLOGIZE!!!
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 05:50 PM
Feb 2014

DUNN IS A LIAR AND A MURDERER!!! I think that's more accurate. And he seems like he's quite unstable. I hope get never gets to see his dog again!! I hope his dog forgot him and loves somebody else better now.
Plus life in prison, with no money on his books.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
4. he was seated in the car when he was shot through the door
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 05:46 PM
Feb 2014

You should watch the police interrogation of him. He continually changes his story about the kid getting out of the SUV as the police give him more information about the evidence. The kid never opened the door at all. Dunn shot through the door into the kid, and the bullet holes are pretty low (he would have to have been down entirely in the foot well to avoid being hit with bullets. He basically sprayed the SUV, and the police told him it was a miracle that none of the other occupants were hit. Thankfully, the kid in the front passenger seat threw himself down across the seat or he would have been hit by a bullet that went through and shattered his passenger window. He didn't care that he might also have killed the other kids in the car that said not a single word to him nor made any move to exit the car or do anything at all remotely threatening.

This guy is scum with "gun muscles" actively LOOKING to get into a confrontation with someone so that he could shoot them and anyone else they're with despite those others having nothing to do with anything other than being there. These are exactly the kind of people that have NO BUSINESS being allowed to have a gun.


 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
10. And then, the part about ...
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 06:16 PM
Feb 2014

dunn's firing "suppression fire" (the cop's words) as the victims were driving away! Dunn was quite proud of himself.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
11. There was also the child locks
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 07:01 PM
Feb 2014

I'd missed some testimony before but I'm watching testimony from the kid that was in the back seat next to Jordan (whose name has already escaped me) and he's talking about the child locks on all the doors and windows being engaged so that there was no way that Jordan COULD have gotten out of the car. The child locks apparently went on automatically, so that only the driver could disengage them or the front passenger seat kid had he known how to (the driver was inside the store at this time). Jordan couldn't get out of the car at all without someone in the front of the vehicle disengaging the child locks. From what I remember of testimony of the kid in the front passenger seat (Kevin?) he didn't disengage the child locks and didn't know how to anyway. Not only that, but once the music was turned on again, even the defense counsel continually emphasized that with the music so loud the passengers in the car couldn't hear what Jordan was saying to Dunn even though defense counsel also claims he was shouting... so how could the front passenger (Kevin) disengage the child locks if Jordan asked him to since the DEFENSE counsel claims that he was unable to hear what Jordan was allegedly shouting at Dunn? Kevin would have been the only one in the car who would have been able to disengage the child locks, he either was never in that car before or in it one other time, and testified if IIRC that he didn't know how to disengage the child locks.

Those child locks being engaged pretty much proves that Jordan's car door never even unlatched much less opened. Jordan being seated in the car when he was shot, the bullet holes through his car door and the child locks puts the lie to Dunn's claims that he ever got out of the car. Even if somehow he got out of the car at some point, he was no longer a threat when he got back in and shut the door, therefore there was no reason to shoot.




TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
14. oh yes, soooo scared that he got out of his car
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 07:13 PM
Feb 2014

putting a huge bullseye on his person in order to shoot them. Pffftttt... any dope that is afraid they're about to be shot doesn't turn there back and get their gun out of their glove compartment and then make a huge target of themselves by not taking cover.

I really really hate this guy.

The last straw was during testimony on Day 2 of the trial where the independent witness that was walking out of the store back to his car is on the stand, and they show the video surveillance inside the store that right after you hear the shots being fired the camera cut to Dunn, and he SMILED.

Check it out at around the 34:07 minute mark which starts with the surveillance video first starting...


 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
16. Thanks for posting the video ...
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 07:48 PM
Feb 2014

The female attorney is pretty good (thorough and clear in making her points).

But I wonder why the Defense attorney cross-examined the victims girl-friend? He gained nothing.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
19. rarely do attorneys not cross a witness
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 10:29 PM
Feb 2014

Even if it's just basic facts. I think the Defense counsel's intent was to try to show that she didn't know Jordan for very long and so she might not have known he was a "thug with a shotgun". That's really all that the Defense attorney can do is try to make it appear that Jordan was a "bad guy" who could have gotten into violent altercations with people with a weapon (which is also why he constantly brought up that Jordan had a tactical knife in his pocket). Though that's pretty stupid considering it was his own client that had a gun in his car and used it because he was annoyed by kids playing loud music in their car. There is also the basic intent of trying to befuddle the witness and hope they blurt out something that makes them appear unreliable to the jury.

I thought all the kids did really well with their testimony especially on cross... none of them tried to make out Jordan to be a saint and freely admitted that he cursed and talked I guess you could say "disrespectfully" to Dunn and that he was angry with Dunn. It makes them appear even more truthful to me. They also quickly corrected "trick" questions that the defense counsel threw at them which also makes them look even more reliable in that they weren't confused about what took place or couldn't recall. I was really pretty impressed with them especially considering their youth.

Man, I'll tell ya, every time the camera picks up Jordan's father struggling to hold back tears I just want to throw my arms around him. I just can't imagine what he's going through.


TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
13. along with the bullet holes through his door that killed him
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 07:05 PM
Feb 2014

Dunn is a terrible liar, but I'm damn glad of it. How anyone could possibly believe his illogical multiple stories along with the physical evidence is ridiculous.

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