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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 02:11 AM Feb 2014

Nazi scientists helped U.S. test LSD on Soviet spies, new book shows

Nazi scientists who produced chemical weapons for Adolf Hitler were hired by the United States to fight the Cold War, and helped U.S. intelligence test LSD and other interrogation techniques on captured Soviet spies, according to a book by U.S. journalist Annie Jacobsen published this week.


As part of Operation Paperclip, at least two Soviet spies captured by a Nazi spy ring were given LSD in a safe house in Oberursel, Germany, Jacobsen writes, in an excerpt posted on The Daily Beast.

“Between 4 June 1952 and 18 June 1952, an IS&O [CIA Inspection and Security Office] team… applied Artichoke techniques to two operational cases in a safe house,” explains a memorandum about the U.S. Artichoke program on modifying behavior through covert means. “In the first case, light dosages of drugs coupled with hypnosis were used to induce a complete hypnotic trance,” states the document cited in the book, one of the few action memos on record that were not destroyed. “This trance was held for approximately one hour and forty minutes of interrogation with a subsequent total amnesia produced.”

"The plan for the enhanced interrogation program was meant to be straightforward: drug the spies, interrogate the spies, and give them amnesia to make them forget," writes Jacobsen.

Artichoke program administrator Richard Helms, the future director of the CIA, later said in an interview that America had a responsibility to test LSD.



Read More: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.573875
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Nazi scientists helped U.S. test LSD on Soviet spies, new book shows (Original Post) Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 OP
, blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #1
Sure, the CIA originally thought psychedelics could be used for mind control. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #2
they found plenty of things that worked reddread Feb 2014 #9
Dunno. The psychedelic effects of LSD were discovered at the Sandoz labs struggle4progress Feb 2014 #3
Bicycle Day as it is known. April 16, 1943. hobbit709 Feb 2014 #4
The Nazi's were experts in interrogation. Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #7
It's not clear if that's even a meaningful generalization struggle4progress Feb 2014 #12
Back in the day madokie Feb 2014 #5
"LSD as an agent to get to the truth" NuclearDem Feb 2014 #6
It's not clear when they say truth, that they don't mean mind control. Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #8
BTW,... adavid Feb 2014 #10
Whats interesting is we've always been told paper clip Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #11
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #13

struggle4progress

(118,280 posts)
3. Dunno. The psychedelic effects of LSD were discovered at the Sandoz labs
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 07:30 AM
Feb 2014

in neutral Switzerland towards the end of WWII. And since Sandoz remained a major producer until 1965, nobody needed any Nazi expertise after WWII to obtain or experiment with LSD

madokie

(51,076 posts)
5. Back in the day
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 07:37 AM
Feb 2014

I took lsd on more than one occasion and I don't think I'd be able to say that the use of LSD as an agent to get to the truth has any logic to it at all. Long lasting effects, no I don't think I notice any of that either. Its been close to 40 years since I dropped and I've yet to have a single lsd flashback.
Wanna' talk about flashbacks, Oh yea I've had some of them but they weren't the results of LSD, rather it was the war thats done it for me.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
6. "LSD as an agent to get to the truth"
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 08:22 AM
Feb 2014

And we think waterboarding is a bad way to get good information out of people.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
8. It's not clear when they say truth, that they don't mean mind control.
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 11:50 AM
Feb 2014

The US was freaking out about brainwashing.

 

adavid

(140 posts)
10. BTW,...
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 12:17 PM
Feb 2014

for those of you that are young, the US offered German scientists an opportunity in the US, known as Operation Paperclip.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
11. Whats interesting is we've always been told paper clip
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 12:31 PM
Feb 2014

Was all about the space program. It's news that this included Nazi interrogators....

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
13. Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster.
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 05:33 PM
Feb 2014
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you. Friedrich Nietzsche

Or, in this case, embrace monsters.
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