Gunman 'in disbelief' over loud-music verdict.

[spanone]

guess this clown had no idea he could lose.

mr. dunn's attorney:

"Even as he sat next to me, he asked, how is this happening," Strolla said. "... It has not set in. I don't think it will set in anytime soon."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/16/justice/florida-loud-music-trial/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

[hobbit709]

1. To some people denial is only a river in Egypt.

[mythology]

71. Given how horrible rape is

I sincerely hope this isn't the case.

I know Dunn is a putz, but nobody deserves that.

[Loaded Liberal Dem]

75. Not even a murderer of an innocent young man?

I guess we belong to different churches.

[Scootaloo]

80. No, not even then. Nor does he deserve to be beaten, killed, tortured, or any of the like

My suspicion of people who cram their names with zip-words continues, unabated.

[Ed Suspicious]

82. I don't go to church. Maybe that explains my lack of lust for vengeance. Is your God really

so vengeful? Wishing rape upon people seems to say a lot that is negative about the wisher.

[nadinbrzezinski]

74. You know, prison rape jokes are all but funny

and should not be acceptable. I don't care how much of a putz, or worst, Dunn is.

[spanone]

81. thank you.

[yeoman6987]

76. Clearly he had this inevitability complex

He thought he was above the law. The jury proved he was wrong.

[arthritisR_US]

78. I was thinking the same thing, hope he has

a comfortable boat.

[kelliekat44]

2. Has he lost. really? Appeals, appeals, appeals...he may yet walk.

I sure hope not, but I don't trust the US justice system...especially when it comes to FL.

[Logical]

3. He will not walk, and he will stay locked up during appeals. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. In your retort your handle can never be more appropriate.

To succeed on appeal the appellant must demonstrate reversible error. That means the error must be so great that in its absence the verdict would have been different.

[Logical]

12. LOL, what the fuck is your point? Or just like sounding smart? nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. I was merely rebutting the assertion that the appeal route will be this miscreant's savior.

I forgot to put "more" in my original post.

[NightWatcher]

4. He will serve 75 years and die in prison

Do not fret.

[Nevernose]

22. Couldn't the judge order the sentences to be concurrent?

That would give him fifteen years, out in ten for good behavior or overcrowding.

[starroute]

26. Someone said on another thread that they can't be concurrent

It's because they were for separate offenses -- attempted murder against each of the four other people in the car.

[WhiteTara]

28. Good. It would be a shame to let him out in society

again. His patent disregard for other people's lives should not be forgotten.

[RebelOne]

43. I an hoping so,

and he had just better hope he doesn't have a black cellmate. I am certain all all the inmates remember the Trayvon Martin shooting.

[AnalystInParadise]

53. Yep

and he deserves to for his attempt to murder teenagers.

[hlthe2b]

37. He is remanded... not getting out on bail and hasn't been.

[DallasNE]

41. The 3 Shots Into The Back Of The SUV

Represent clear attempted 2nd degree murder. Grounds for appeal are scant at best.

[Boom Sound 416]

84. On what grounds?

[pipoman]

5. I think it will set in soon. ..As soon as he is looking through the bars..

[VanillaRhapsody]

51. Or when he gets that tasty prison meal and realizes THIS is what food is going to taste like

for a very very long time...

[Tanuki]

56. Yep, no more ordering out for a pizza like he did right after

murdering an unarmed teen in cold blood.

[VanillaRhapsody]

58. Yeah its "prison pizza" from now on!

[Gothmog]

6. This idiot bought his own bullshit

This is a person who did not think that it was important to call law enforcement and who left the scene to walk his dog and have a meal. This idiot thought that he was justified in actions and now he cannot believe that a jury did not buy his justifications

[spanone]

7. it's pretty amazing that he felt no need to alert the police....unbelievable to me.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

32. He thought he would get away with it

But for someone noting the car make and license plate number, he might have! That explains why he said nothing to his girlfriend.

[cinnabonbon]

55. That was one of the most bizarre things

about it. He didn't think killing someone was worth calling about? wtf.

[WinkyDink]

66. Hello?! He meant to kill! Why would he then call the cops?!

[spanone]

73. if your claiming self-defense, you probably should call the police..?

[Mr.Bill]

72. That simple fact would have told me as a juror that he knew he did something wrong.

If I ever discharged a firearm against another person in a legal fashion (self defense) the first thing I would do is notify the police.

[Cha]

70. the poster idiot for the nra gunmongers.. and

look what happened.

He could have such kept his damn mouth shut and drove out of there grumbling about the "loud music".. but no, Dunn had to be a big shot, start a fight and go get a gun to shoot up the car. Justification came later.

Poor Jordan Davis

[B2G]

8. Will he be eligible for parole?

Do we really know he'll die in prison?

[Lochloosa]

16. Not in Florida

We have a 10-20-life law. Pull a gun 10. Shoot a gun 20. Shoot someone Life. No parole.

[B2G]

18. Excellent. Thanks. n't

[hlthe2b]

38. Unless you are George Zimmerman. I am amazed you are so adament re: FLorida law

and how "hard" it is on shooters. But, at least in this case, he will be serving 60 years or more for the "attempted" murders, regardless of what ultimately happens with respect to the 1st degree murder case.

[Lochloosa]

47. Thanks for playing. Zimmerman was not convicted. It's a necessary step to sentencing.

[hlthe2b]

48. You said: "We have a 10-20-life law. Pull a gun 10. Shoot a gun 20. Shoot someone Life. No parole. "

There was no denying--even from Zimmerman that he pulled a gun. there is no denial he shot someone. Thus your simplistic view of Florida law is just that. It is not true that if one "pulls a gun, they get 10 years", nor that if one "shoots someone, they get life", given they may not even charge that crime. Overly simplistic and wrong. And, with SYG and similar laws, Florida has become nothing more than a gun-obsessed haven for narcissists and haters of all stripes. Thanks for playing.

[Lochloosa]

62. I was responding to the question concerning parole. It had nothing to do with Zimmerman.

10-20-Life does apply to this case because of the 3 attempted murder CONVICTIONS.

He pulled and shot at the car putting three other peoples lives in danger. 20 years each count with no parole.

Done.

[JustAnotherGen]

9. Arrogance

He is THAT arrogant. God damn him!

[Stargazer09]

10. Disbelief?

What an idiot.

[Chorophyll]

13. Delusional turd.

How many more like him are walking around with guns in their pants? Too many.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. That's pretty delusional/nt

[winstars]

17. Forget it! Its just PR for Dunn. Nothing that is said is true, its all written by pros

This is the world we live in. To listen to what his attorney says and to try to understand it is pointless.
It's all about the spin.

[truebluegreen]

19. I'm in disbelief too, but for a different reason. nt

[Grammy23]

20. What I find telling about this whole event is that

Dunn saw no need to contact police about the shooting, even though he claimed he was in fear for his life. Therefore the need to shoot into the car of teenagers because he thought they had a gun. And speaking of shooting into that car, did you get a load of the size of the holes in the car??? Can you imagine what it did to that young man when the bullet tore into his flesh? And he was not curious how that turned out? He had that gun for years and had to be fully aware of what it would do to a human who got hit with even one of the bullets. He didn't want to report what he thought they were about to do to him? Did he not think it was worth reporting to the police that a car load of gun toting "thugs" were on the loose in Jacksonville?

Instead he calmly puts his car into drive and heads off to his Bed and Breakfast get away with his girlfriend. Enjoys a pizza and some drinks. Mentions nothing to her about seeing a gun. Was there no discussion of what had just taken place while they were on their way to St. Augustine?

His lack of curiosity about the results of the shooting (10 shots!!!) is so odd and what stands out for me. Perhaps that is the most obvious indication of his sense of entitlement that what he did was OK and within his rights to do. So much that he didn't even think he needed to notify the police about what he had done. Mind boggling when you think about it.

[sofa king]

68. I've seen Oz. I know what happens to this guy.

Grammy, the lack of empathy or remorse is pretty obvious in his own response, isn't it? The people he shot at were non-persons to him, and his surprise seems to be that others do not share his beliefs.

I don't know if the psychologists have described this sort of thing, but I swear I know what it is: stupid conservatives who are beginning to emulate the sociopathic thought processes of the media authorities who program them.

It makes me wonder if empathy and remorse may yet catch up to this guy--while he's living out a personal hell as a marked man in prison.

[jwirr]

21. Okay, I haven't seen anything since last night. Did they come back with the 5th verdict?

[csziggy]

44. Mistrial on the other charge

Angela Corey, prosecutor, said the state will re-try him on the murder of Jordan Davis.

[jwirr]

45. Quilty of attempted murder but not of murder? The victim is dead. Something is drastically wrong in

this picture.

[csziggy]

46. It was clear that he tried to kill all the occupants of the vehicle

What we don't know is if the jury hung on what level of charge for the murder of Jordan Davis or if any of the jurors bought into Dunn's claim that Davis had a weapon. If any jurors believed that, then Dunn's claim of self defense may have factored in.

As for the level of charge, I can't believe that a juror would hold out for first degree if the rest were willing to convict on second degree. I suspect there was enough doubt about Dunn's belief that his life was in danger that a juror or two hung the murder charge.

I hope the prosecutors talk to the jurors to find out what they can do next time to convict Dunn. For the public, it would be interesting to hear from the jurors, but I don't want them to come out publicly if it would affect a re-trial.

[marble falls]

23. "Three counts of attempted murder???? Them three had their hands on the volumn control ....

just like the one I iced! Guilty?" I wonder what he got away with in his life that has made him so arrogant. He thinks the NFL rules apply to him: no harm, no foul. "And they coulda had a gun!" He didn't think he needed a defense for murder, he thought he had an excuse to walk away from killing someone who needed killing. His first big surprise was when he realized he only killed one of them. He'll regain his senses soon enough in prison.

[Mbrow]

24. I'm sure Fox will give him his

own talk show.

[spin]

60. A talk show from prison. That will prove difficult. (n/t)

[etherealtruth]

25. Really?

He murdered a kid ... and he is in disbelief

I can imagine Jordan Davis' parents are in disbelief ... Dunn, I do not care what the murdering swine is feeling.

[appleannie1]

27. Does anyone else think he looks like Donald Trump? Or is is the look of entitlement?

[Squinch]

29. "How is this happening??????" You shot a KID!!! Over MUSIC!!!! And he's DEAD!!!

How the hell do you think this is happening? It's happening because YOU MADE IT HAPPEN!

[11 Bravo]

40. Dunn's response: But it's FLORIDA! And the kid was BLACK!

And I claimed to be SKEERED!

Doesn't all that mean I automatically skate?

[Squinch]

42. I could spit a nail, reading that he didn't think he'd get time. I'm happy he's off the street.

I'll be ecstatic when they validate that child's life by giving this monster first degree murder in the next trial.

[noiretextatique]

50. right...he thought the jury would buy his bs

The way they bought Zimmerman's b.s. story. Too bad Tray on was alone.

[spin]

63. Some people do end up in Florida prisons when they shoot someone and claim ...

self defense or stand your ground.

The Tampa Bay Times has an excellent report on SYG shootings which they update occasionally. It's interactive and easy to use. Unfortunately it doesn't cover all self defense shootings. The newspaper accumulated a list of all the SYG cases they could find since the law went into effect in 2005.

For example in those case where there was a fatal shooting; 44 people were convicted, 75 shootings were ruled as justified and 15 cases are pending. (The Zimmerman/Martin shooting is in the Hispanic/ black section of the report.)

The Tampa Bay Times only found 11 cases in which a white individual killed a black person and claimed SYG. The Dunn case is one but his case is currently called "pending." In such cases 1 was convicted, 6 were ruled as justified and 4 are pending (including Dunn.)

The media would lead you to believe that because of the SYG law, Florida has turned into the Wild West. The Tampa Bay Times found a total of 249 cases involving this law in an 8 year time frame 74 of which resulted in a conviction, 147 that were ruled as justified and 24 that are pending.

But still if you read the report and look at the individual cases and their outcomes you will most likely find that the SYG law in Florida needs to be rewritten. There are a good number of cases where a shooting was ruled as justified that are at the best questionable. Stand your ground does not mean chase down and kill nor should it provide protection for those involved in illegal activity.

[madokie]

30. You made your bed dude now sleep in it

And think long and hard at what the freedom of legally carrying a gun did to you. More than likely if you were not armed you wouldn't have killed this young man
I hope you get more years than you have life left. Thats the best I can do for you Jackass

[malaise]

31. How is this happening

Because he's a stupid racist murderer who never once considered that those young African-American males were wondering how that happened when he murdered their friend and tried to murder them.


It will eventually set in.

And yes that pic captured the smug look perfectly.

[rurallib]

33. What kind of country is it if you can't shoot someone that pisses you off?

Especially if they are expendable brown people?
(sarcasm if not recognized)

[senseandsensibility]

34. I googled his name yesterday and found out he was a software engineer

That told me he is of at least normal intelligence. I was really curious about his background. Now, I may be naïve or uninformed, but I have lived in Silicon Valley for decades and know my share of software engineers. Usually they are logical people. I was really surprised that he is (apparently) college educated and reasonably intelligent. His actions certain bely that.

[Botany]

35. He will spend the rest of his life in jail

n/t

[sadoldgirl]

36. Can the members of this jury talk now?

Since there may be another trial, they may not be allowed to. I don't know the law about this.

[OldHippieChick]

54. They can talk, but

it is strictly their choice. Hopefully, one of them will at least call the prosecution and tell them what they did wrong.

[llmart]

39. He's in disbelief because.....

he's a white man in Florida who has probably been brainwashed by the NRA to believe that he is entitled to shoot anyone, especially young, black men because he's afraid of young, black men due to watching Faux News which tells him to be afraid of young, black men. Oh, and what's the point of being able to "carry" if you can't manufacture a reason to use it?

[Hell Hath No Fury]

49. I am sure he is surprised --

because it was not all that long ago when a good Christian white man like himself could string up a darky with absolute impunity -- what the hell happened???

[MH1]

52. It'll set in sometime in his very long spell he's about to spend in prison.

Assuming the guards keep him safe from general population. Otherwise, it might set in just before the end of a fairly short spell in prison.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

57. I guess you were born too late, Mr. Dunn.

A few decades ago you could have killed black people in Florida with impunity. You better focus on staying away from the general prison population.

[NastyRiffraff]

61. He's scared of young black men?

Oh, my, how he'll enjoy prison.

Welcome to reality, asshole.

[rrneck]

64. He's probably a borderline psychopath. ntt

[austin_dave_1962]

65. "Was that wrong? Should I not have done that?"

Dunn's response reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where George is caught having sex with his cleaning lady at work:

"Was that wrong? Should I not have done that? I tell you, I gotta plead ignorance on this thing, because if anyone had said anything to me at all that this sort of thing is frowned upon..."

[WinkyDink]

67. OMG! It's TRUE!!

[gopiscrap]

83. welcome to DU

[Liberal_in_LA]

69. murderer

[riverwalker]

77. heres the "shrug"

right when the verdict came down. He shrugged and looked at his parents like "what the heck is this"? It says it all. Unbelievable. Hope the guys on his cellblock, love playing LOUD rap music.

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[spanone]

79. looks like he's thinking 'hell, i only killed one of them, what do they want, remorse?'

thanks for the full picture.

[Blue_Tires]

85. Some people have a pathological aversion to seeing

any reality other than their own...