Did the Gender Wars start when the Hilary Hopefuls came back

[FreakinDJ]

Is this what we have to look forward to all through the primary season

[DURHAM D]

1. Yes, it is all Hillary's fault that DU is full of

MRAers.

[FreakinDJ]

6. I doubt DU has any more then the general populace

[DURHAM D]

14. In case you haven't noticed...

the name of this website is DEMOCRATIC Underground. For that reason alone there should be ZERO MRAers.

otoh- the website owners apparently don't care that they are here thus making the name of this place a big joke.

[FreakinDJ]

18. Rather large leap of faith there

just as when folks around here found out many black men didn't support gay rights

[DURHAM D]

20. I have no clue what you are talking about. nt

[FreakinDJ]

38. Rather clueless then

[Comrade Grumpy]

24. Who are they?

I see frequent accusations about this apparently all-powerful "MRA" that I had never before heard about, and now I'm being told DU is full of them. Or, perchance, to you mean people who don't automatically fall in line with the radical feminist ultras? Are all those people who failed to get sufficiently upset with the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue MRAers?

[peacebird]

30. Sorry, what is an " mra" er?

[NBachers]

54. I dug all the way down to the bottom of this thread, and I still don't know what an MRA'er is.

Guess I'm just not part of the 'in' crowd. *sob*

[Major Nikon]

59. No worries, neither do most of those who throw the term around

[pintobean]

57. Mens rights something or other.

Some evil group that hof discovered on on the internet and decided DU was infested with. It pretty much works like the 'paid troll' accusation. If one really pisses someone off, they're an mra paid troll.

[Upton]

34. I see..so anyone who disagrees with HoF is an MRA?

What about the 45 DUers who are banned from there, are they all MRAs too?

[Kurska]

36. This appears to be the definition n/t

[FreakinDJ]

40. BINGO: "Anyone who doesn't agree"

[Major Nikon]

58. That definition includes 3rd wave feminists and RAINN apparently

[opiate69]

47. I'm beginning to think...

They must be on somebody's payroll, getting paid a few cents for every time they post that particular anagram...

[zabet]

2. Really?

[sufrommich]

3. Rush Limbaugh couldn't have been more obvious.

Next up: " I'm just asking a question".

[shenmue]

4. Yeah

Some people can't take it that she's actually popular.

[alcibiades_mystery]

5. Ooooof

[theHandpuppet]

7. Hopefully what we won't have to look forward to...

... are more OPs such as this one.

[VanillaRhapsody]

8. Who said that everyone who supports Hillary now were the same ones that railed against her

when Obama won the Primary? Who said they all left?

I was for Hillary Clinton BEFORE Pres. Obama BECAUSE I knew then what I still know now...she IS to the left of him and MORE Liberal than he is (a Moderate Liberal). When Obama won the Primary...I supported him.

But for now I support Hillary again...for the same reason.

[FreakinDJ]

9. Is she running ?

Last I heard she wasn't

[Evergreen Emerald]

10. How offensive.

This is one of the ugliest things I have heard on DU.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. Regardless of where you stand on HRC and the "gender wars" this is a particularly ugly thread./NT

[OKNancy]

11. I've been here since 2001 and have not

participated in any of those threads, but am a Hillary supporter.
Your post is nonsense

[FreakinDJ]

12. The 08 primary season was pretty brutal here

Tons of newcomers devoted to Hilary claiming they would vote republican if Hilary lost

[OKNancy]

13. Obviously I was here since I just wrote that I've been here since the beginning

I was a moderator as well.
It was a handful. The so-called gender wars have zero to do with Hillary ( spelled correctly) or people who support her.
In fact, I bet if I go look at the signature lines there will be a bunch who support other candidates.

[FreakinDJ]

15. Well then who is this group refferring to "Men as Apes"

because that is pretty offensive

[sufrommich]

19. At least you admit you're trolling.

Good for you.

[FreakinDJ]

21. A thread with 575 replies

might be a DU record even

So much for your assumptions

[sufrommich]

22. Which has what to do with Hillary Clinton? nt

[JI7]

23. isn't it a men's rights activist who is referring to "men as apes" ?

[boston bean]

31. well, let's not let the truth get in the way

of a perfectly good feminist call out thread.

[redqueen]

35. +1

[BainsBane]

43. LOL

You didn't actually read that thread did you?

[sufrommich]

16. I was here and there were not "tons"

of newcomers claiming they would vote republican. That's a lie. The vast,vast majority of Hilary supporters supported Obama once the primaries were over. The meme that there were ever vast numbers of PUMAs out there was the creation of Rush Limbaugh,sad to see it encouraged here.

[frazzled]

17. No

I've been here since 2001 as well. I was not a Hillary supporter in 2008, and am not particularly so now. (Though I will most certainly vote for her if she's the candidate.)

The so-called gender wars are here because there have been a lot of issues of sexism that have come up. Or perhaps they started when all the macho libertarian male types came? (Right back at ya.)

The insulting OP is a good example why feminists need to stand up on left web sites. Let's remember that feminism came of age in response to the truly odious sexist behavior of male power power players on the radical left in the 60s. That's a fact, and a sad one.

[FSogol]

27. Agreed and LOL at ""macho libertarian male types." In their minds only. In reality, they are the

biggest group of whiny pissants ever to infect a blogsphere.

[alcibiades_mystery]

32. ROFL

Zactly.



between them and the gunner shitheads (noting the massive overlap, too), I don't know which is the bigger pack of cowardly douchebags.

[Cali_Democrat]

48. No kidding!!

I have noticed that many folks here who lean libertarian tend to be very sexist as well.

They're so obvious.

Whiny pissants indeed!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. Supporting Hillary and being opposed to DU gender wars are not mutually exclusive/nt

[Tuesday Afternoon]

26. poppy

cock

[LadyHawkAZ]

29. WTH??

No, it has nothing to do with Hillary, but nice transparent try.

[FSogol]

33. Dear Skinner, Can we please have the unrec button back? Thank you.

Your friend,
FSogol.

[In_The_Wind]

37. I almost posted a question in AtA with the same request earlier today.

[FSogol]

39. I ask it of the admins all time. Here's Skinner's reply:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1259995#post1

[In_The_Wind]

41. Ok. I understand his reasoning.

Sometimes I rec a thread because I know it will be controversial. I would unrec those.

[FSogol]

42. Some people on DU take themselves and their opinions too seriously. When they

got unrecs, they often flew off the handle. That's why they got rid of the unrec.

I wish it was back since, I'd rather unrec the trainwrecks and move on, rather than dignify them with snarky responses and facepalms.

[pintobean]

45. They often complained that it was an effort to silence

them. People with tens of thousands of posts being silenced. We see that same complaint about hidden posts now. People with tens of thousands of posts being silenced.

[FSogol]

46. True and truly ridiculous.

[BainsBane]

44. I don't know

Do you think you can avoid making sexist comments about her and deal with the issues at hand?

It's darling how much of the context you miss. You could just ask.

[LiberalAndProud]

50. I dunno, but my trash can is full.

Would a plea to knock it off be of any use?

I thought not.

trashing this thread now too.

[ismnotwasm]

56. Me too

Ick

[SheilaT]

51. Right. Until then everyone everywhere was totally respectful

of women.

Have you been living under a large rock until recently?

I am not a Hillary fan. But I'm a woman and a proud, avowed feminist. I have been angry much of my 65 years at how women have been treated. My support, or lack of support, for Hillary is a completely separate issue.

[Beacool]

52. If you start a thread, you may try to at least spell her name correctly.

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The Hillary hopefuls? Oh, you mean the vast majority of the Democratic party.

This post is divisive and offensive. Sexism has been around here ever since I joined and probably way before that day. As for Hillary, yes she was the subject of sexism, but what does that have to do with the current wave of sexist posts on DU?

[AngryAmish]

53. That's not funny.

[Lunacee_2013]

55. Most of that PUMA crap was a media fabrication.

I voted for Hilary in the primaries and Obama in the general, no problem.

The so-called "gender wars" started, as far as I can tell, because the left still has problems with sexism. See Ed Shultz calling a female right-wing radio host a slut, that horrible cartoon of Ann Coulter being raped by the democratic donkey, and even some posts here, like the one were someone said that almost all young women will cheat on their b.f.s/husbands if they are given
the right opportunity.

When it comes to Hilary, I think what we have to look forward to is people who just cannot stand her throwing everything they've got her way, and a lot of sexism from all sides, including the left. I'm not even a huge supporter of hers, but some of the anti-Hilary crap, just like some of the anti-Obama crap (and please notice I said *some*) just comes across as a bit unhinged.

But I'm not gonna let that hold me back. I've chosen to stop worrying about what some sexist idiot says, either online or IRL. The only thing I can do is speak out against it and try to have a calm and rational debate, or if they chose to be unreasonable, just forget about them and move on. And sometimes, just sometimes, I've gotten other women AND men to change their views. Now most of them are friends and they're liberal/feminist/pro-choice.