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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMy concerns about the ACA
Let me start by saying, my two main concerns are quality of care and profit. I'm going to be graduating with my BSN in 2.5 months and entering the field shortly after. I take this job very seriously, but I won't do it if salaries are cut or the workload grows to levels that are dangerous for both the patient and myself. In my area, they have cut out nigh shift differentials, are eliminating Techs, and in certain areas up north, environmental services. RNs are now required to do these jobs. Nursing is a very difficult field and despite the fact we love being there for people and give so much of ourselves to our patients (I like to imagine most of us do!) we are still only human. Very few of us are so in love with the profession that we would work for much less money, given the job intensity.
Anyways, there is a reason for my concern,as there are some issues with the ACA that have a high likelihood of throwing a wrench in the gears. I want to say that reducing hospital acquired infections is one of the most important issues hospitals are battling. "Provider preventable condition" are not going to be covered by insurance, but the absolutist nature of this provision is troubling. Say someone falls and breaks a hip by their own fault, the hospital now has to eat those costs. So any patient that becomes a fall risk will have a higher likelihood of being put on restraints, which now increases their risk of becoming incontinent which rapidly ups their risk of developing a pressure ulcer (which stage III and IV are not covered). Now, anyone who has a few weeks of education in the healthcare field knows they only develop with severe neglect, but now either the RN or ACT, if they haven't been eliminated, has to spend time going in the room and turning this patient who may be on restraints because they are a falls-risk (god help you if they are on isolation). Time is valuable in this field. Very valuable.
You can tell me that they won't keep people restrained, but I would not be so certain, because healthcare providers do all sorts of crazy shit to cover their asses. Look at the absurd number of diagnostic tests run to prevent lawsuits. And the bigger problem is that if hospitals lose money, they cut staff pay, particularly nurse pay (the group that costs the most). RNs don't like that. They leave the field over it.
Just want to voice my concerns! I think everyone having access to insurance is a mare velour thing, but by nature, I consider everything.
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)BigL
(36 posts)It works wonders with my patients. I am just bringing up some points that I have seen occur within the hospital systems here. You may choose to ignore them or not, but they are valid.
elleng
(130,749 posts)and I hope, to the extent these become well known problems, we will address them properly.
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)People have already responded succinctly to your other posts, and then you start your own thread.
BigL
(36 posts)But I felt it was an issue worthy of discussion on a larger scale. I apologize if this is against the rules!
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)I've been on DU for over a decade. I know exactly what you're up to, and so do you. So, I'm back to...
BigL
(36 posts)I understand that you are a veteran here, but I'm not asking for you to throw your hands up and cast away all of your values, just to consider that perhaps this area of the ACA could be improved upon.
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)It's just that I've seen this tactic many times on DU, and for some reason, you set off my BS meter big time. I may be wrong, but I really don't think so. Rest assured, this is a place where people do think about all sides of an issue, and most here do not need to be insidiously schooled by the oddly concerned.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)and doesn't realize how many concern trolls DU sees in a week. the cute part is they truly think they are being original.
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)Even though it's pretty obvious, I'm glad someone else agrees. Normally I just let it go, because it's not really my job to point this stuff out, but I'm doing it because I've had it up to here with the concern trolls, outright trolls and people who keep stirring the gender wars pot. I'm trashing and hiding from here on out, 'cause I'm walking a fine line before someone pushes that "Alert" button.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)First, it should be understood that this applies to Medicaid payments only (if I am correct in reading the rules--yes, there are a few preventable conditions that pertain to any hospital setting: like performing the operation on the wrong patient!). You've conveniently left out things that are truly provider errors or neglect--things like operating on the wrong body part (it happens) or leaving a foregin object in someone's body after surgery (happens a lot). It is critical that we reduce these avoidable issues, like UTIs due to an improper catheter and surgical site infections.
Here are a list of the PPCs:
Foreign Object Retained After Surgery
Air Embolism
Blood Incompatibility
Stage III and IV Pressure Ulcers
Falls and Trauma; including Fractures, Dislocations, Intracranial Injuries , Crushing Injuries, Burns, Electric Shock
Catheter-Associated Urinary Tract Infection (UTI)
Vascular Catheter-Associated Infection
Manifestations of Poor Glycemic Control; including iabetic Ketoacidosis, Nonketotic Hyperosmolar Coma, Hypoglycemic Coma, Secondary Diabetes with Ketoacidosis, Secondary Diabetes with Hyperosmolarity
Surgical Site Infection Following:
Coronary Artery Bypass Graft (CABG) - Mediastinitis
Bariatric Surgery; including Laparoscopic Gastric Bypass, Gastroenterostomy, Laparoscopic Gastric Restrictive Surgery
Orthopedic Procedures; including Spine, Neck, Shoulder, Elbow
Deep Vein Thrombosis (DVT)/Pulmonary Embolism (PE) Following Total Knee Replacement or Hip Replacement with pediatric and obstetric exceptions
Category 2 Other Provider Preventable Conditions (For Any Health Care Setting)
Wrong Surgical or other invasive procedure performed on a patient
Surgical or other invasive procedure performed on the wrong body part
Surgical or other invasive procedure performed on the wrong patient
http://www.medicaid.gov/Medicaid-CHIP-Program-Information/By-Topics/Financing-and-Reimbursement/Provider-Preventable-Conditions.html
BigL
(36 posts)I am unsure of if these will extend to other insurance plans, I do hope not.
Don't get me wrong, I am not against anything on there, I am more concerned about the absolutist nature of the wording.
BigL
(36 posts)There are good number of the high cost patients on Medicaid, so this isn't going to be a drop in the bucket for hospitals!
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)I seriously doubt you're going to throw your nursing education away because hospital profits might not be as large as you had hoped.
I am now seriously doubting any of your story.
BigL
(36 posts)I took the time to add more details for a more in depth discussion. You can choose to ignore me if you wish, but I hope you'd forgive me for my seemingly spammish nature.
No, I would not leave the profession if a hospital does not have high enough profits, I was more concerned about pay cuts (I guess you must have missed that when you read my post! It was a bit long, sorry). I would not leave if I took a small pay cut! but if the job became too dangerous for my health (or the patient's) or I was asked to take too much of a pay cut, yes, I would find another profession.
jazzimov
(1,456 posts)Nothing new here, or anything that pertains to the ACA specifically.
BigL
(36 posts)They address reimbursement via Medicaid, which has expanded and covers it's decent share of high cost patients.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Also, unionize.
BigL
(36 posts)As you can imagine, nursing can be a very strenuous field, and if the job requirements become such that the risk to my physician we'll being becomes too great, or if I am required to do so much that quality of care is severely affected, I just won't be able to work.
For instance, Vanderbilt is phasing out environmental services and expecting nurses to clean the rooms, provide 100% patient care, pass meds, perform proper assessments, draw labs, review labs, take vitals, chart properly, and then make decisions that could affect the life of a patient.
It would be horrible to quit, but we are only human in the end.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)My dad fell the night before his release in the hospital and ended up with a subdural hematoma and never made it out. This was years ago and staffing was part of the issue. There is only way the hospital can avoid these types of incidents and that is to increase staffing. It will take time for them to figure it out though but hitting them in the pocketbook may be the only thing that works. I am hoping it will happen and will be a win win in the future. Not holding my breath but hoping. Staffing shortages have always been a big problem in hospital nursing.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)ETA: I'm not normally so dismissive of a new poster but you really should learn something of the culture of the board before you drop what seems to be a serious post disguised as a turd into our little punchbowl.
Your title is a major negative cliche here...
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Concern_troll
BigL
(36 posts)That is why I am bringing up my concerns. This could go on without a hitch, or it could blow up in our face.
Obviously I sincerely wish for the former, but it is wise to keep an open mind to all possibilities.
newfie11
(8,159 posts)I've worked 40 years in that position across this country.
This is nothing new. When I started the xray dept in LA had 2 tech/room I was making over $10.00 an hr.
Moved to Washington DC and pay dropped to $8.00 hr. One tech/room.
Moved to Petosky MI, worked at a level 1 hospital, again in the 8 dollar range.
5 x-ray rooms, OR, portables, surgery, all covered by anywhere from 3-5 tech and a few students. Same in Il.
The last place I worked was on a mobile mammo unit in SD. Base pay was $20.00hr
My point is the staffing has been cut back since the 60's, well before ACA. Salaries have not kept up but up to now there were jobs in medical. I'm retired now but told by others the jobs aren't there anymore.
If it means nurses have to take over more patient duties, at least you have a job.
None of this is benificial to the patient of course.